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Post by NeilVHughes on Jun 8, 2020 12:37:12 GMT
Dave25 Being killed as you say is not as clear cut but being shot and injured is and nearly every statistic in the US shows the odds of being considered a miscreant is greatly increased by the darkness of your skin. “evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans, in that the probability of being black, unarmed, and shot by police is about 3.49 times the probability of being white, unarmed, and shot by police on average “The only thing that was significant in predicting whether someone shot and killed by police was unarmed was whether or not they were black. . . . Crime variables did not matter in terms of predicting whether the person killed was unarmed.” I have also found it interesting today that there is more outrage about the toppling of a statue than there is for the 20,000 people who died whilst being transported and the thousands that were inhumanely branded and treated as livestock in that persons hands in the media and the use of the word thuggery was not used passively.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 12:38:42 GMT
. Also the fact that all those celebrities and companies admit that they just do it for fear while actually disagreeing very strongly shows how poisonous the situation is. Or how spineless and self obsessed those celebs and companies are What choice do they have?
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Post by southstreet on Jun 8, 2020 12:47:05 GMT
Liked this eloquent piece of writing on racism. Great post, and what is described there is very true. People like Daniel, myself, and Candace understand this and see the real path out of this. I think Daniel would take great offence at what he posted being lobbed in with what "people like you and Candace" say. And it also shows me that you clearly don't even understand the post. But I've just done what I've told myself not to do and that is engage with people that have absolutely no interest in learning or understanding. You've been peddling your reverse-racism narrative on this forum so often that as soon as I see your name pop up in a thread that goes anywhere political, I have to brace myself before reading it because I expect to find it offensive. And I'm not easily offended.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 12:47:20 GMT
Dave25 Being killed as you say is not as clear cut but being shot and injured is and nearly every statistic in the US shows the odds of being considered a miscreant is greatly increased by the darkness of your skin. I have also found it interesting today that there is more outrage about the toppling of a statue than there is for the 20,000 people who died whilst being transported and the thousands that were inhumanely branded and treated as livestock in that persons hands in the media and the use of the word thuggery was not used passively. I know, and that is misleading information. Because the 12% black population of the USA is responsible for more than half of all crimes. Cops killed by black criminals is 10 fold the amount of cops being killed by white criminals. All these statistics say something and surely officers must be careful too. Floyd's death was tragic, and so were all the white criminal's deaths. All the killed cops in these protests and the death of a 4 year old black girl is also unforgivable.
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Post by vdcni on Jun 8, 2020 12:47:48 GMT
she's essentially said black men murdered by the police deserved it She literally says that the police officer is wrong and needs to be punished for taking a human life in an unnecessary way. And that there is no question about that. She also says that last year 19 unarmed white men were killed by the police versus 9 unarmed black men,while 53% of police encounters was with black men and that they also did not deserve it. She says that when you swing guns at the police you deserve it. So you can stop sticking with your chosen fake narrative now. She did not say what you claim she said. Do not make that up. Thank you. So I presume you also agree with her that George Soros is funding the protesters since you think so highly of her?
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Post by southstreet on Jun 8, 2020 12:55:16 GMT
All the killed cops in these protests Sorry, what cops were killed in these protests???
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jun 8, 2020 12:57:06 GMT
Dave25 Do you agreee with this statement: 'the colour of ones skin has an impact on ones ability to live free anywhere in the USA'
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 14:23:18 GMT
Poster J, no worries, you are as entitled to your opinion as anyone else is. That's what a forum is for. sf, you won't even watch her video we are discussing? Then you have no right to join this discussion. Also, the point you make about 2.5 times likely is completely floored by the statistics and is based on the alarmingly hight number of armed black criminals who attack police officers. This disussion is about unarmed criminals. The Matthew, the thing is that this problem is about facts. I only make points when things are proven. But with that said, I have made my point now, so I will leave it at this. I think it s a very important point to make and the truth can not be denied given the numbers. Also the fact that all those celebrities and companies admit that they just do it for fear while actually disagreeing very strongly shows how poisonous the situation is. The "truth" as you so label it is drawn from questionable sources and showcases only incomplete data that supports your assertion. Read more. Try harder. Here's a good place the start: the Washington Post database showing that while police kill more white people, they kill black people at a disproportionately higher rate/percentage. That's the fact that matters, not total #. www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 14:46:38 GMT
Dave25 Do you agreee with this statement: 'the colour of ones skin has an impact on ones ability to live free anywhere in the USA' For some people it does, for others it does not. And claiming the victim role in cases where it is not fair makes it worse. Black people in the USA can become anything they want, and the ones that worked for it have. Just like any other person. This unites. Then there's the group that desires pity, even in situations where it's completely unfounded, which makes companies scared so they demand privileges. This creates a gap and makes sure these people will not be seen as equals because they don't see and present themselves as equals. It's a downward spiral. Nobody denies there is and will always be racism. Uniting and standing strong solves this. Not milking the victim role and point fingers. Let's applaud the low number of black unarmed criminals killed by police together. And protest against the alarmingly high number of white unarmed killed criminals, because what is actually happening there? This is not about the ones who swing guns at the police. Stay stable and sane everybody.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 14:51:20 GMT
Steven, I know the numbers and percentages. The percentages are off as they make no distinction between unarmed criminals and the high number of armed ones that actually attack police.
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Post by sf on Jun 8, 2020 15:02:29 GMT
Let's applaud the low number of black unarmed criminals killed by police together. And protest against the alarmingly high number of white unarmed killed criminals, because what is actually happening there? Let's not applaud ANY unarmed criminals being killed by the police, because to do so is abhorrent. Almost as abhorrent: manipulating statistics to promote a racist agenda.
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Post by vdcni on Jun 8, 2020 15:05:43 GMT
And actually that article shows an unarmed black person is more likely to be shot and killed by the police than an unarmed white person.
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Post by sf on Jun 8, 2020 15:14:36 GMT
And actually that article shows an unarmed black person is more likely to be shot and killed by the police than an unarmed white person. Exactly, and to attempt to manipulate the statistics in it to show otherwise is deeply racist, morally repulsive, and utterly disgusting.
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Post by Latecomer on Jun 8, 2020 17:56:10 GMT
Dave25 Do you agreee with this statement: 'the colour of ones skin has an impact on ones ability to live free anywhere in the USA' For some people it does, for others it does not. And claiming the victim role in cases where it is not fair makes it worse. Black people in the USA can become anything they want, and the ones that worked for it have. Just like any other person. This unites. Then there's the group that desires pity, even in situations where it's completely unfounded, which makes companies scared so they demand privileges. This creates a gap and makes sure these people will not be seen as equals because they don't see and present themselves as equals. It's a downward spiral. Nobody denies there is and will always be racism. Uniting and standing strong solves this. Not milking the victim role and point fingers. Let's applaud the low number of black unarmed criminals killed by police together. And protest against the alarmingly high number of white unarmed killed criminals, because what is actually happening there? This is not about the ones who swing guns at the police. Stay stable and sane everybody. Surely you can’t really believe this rubbish? Sorry, not engaging.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 18:10:49 GMT
Nobody denies there is and will always be racism. Actually it is denied all the time, particularly if one tries to point out the systemic issues promoting it.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 19:22:19 GMT
And actually that article shows an unarmed black person is more likely to be shot and killed by the police than an unarmed white person. Then why were 19 unarmed white persons killed by police last year versus 9 unarmed black persons? While 53% of the criminals and 12% of the population is black. So both the number AND the percentages are higher. Clearly the truth went against all "likelyness".
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 19:29:06 GMT
Let's applaud the low number of black unarmed criminals killed by police together. And protest against the alarmingly high number of white unarmed killed criminals, because what is actually happening there? Let's not applaud ANY unarmed criminals being killed by the police, because to do so is abhorrent. Applauding a disproportionate low number I say. And be thankful. Not applauding criminals. That is what you and protesters are doing right now and that is actually abhorrent.
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Post by sf on Jun 8, 2020 19:29:24 GMT
And actually that article shows an unarmed black person is more likely to be shot and killed by the police than an unarmed white person. Then why were 19 unarmed white persons killed by police last year versus 9 unarmed black persons? While 53% of the criminals and 12% of the population is black. So both the number AND the percentages are higher. Clearly the truth went against all "likelyness". Because white Americans constitute somewhere around 60% of the population.
This isn't difficult, unless you choose not to see it.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 19:34:35 GMT
Because white Americans constitute somewhere around 60% of the population.
This isn't difficult, unless you choose not to see it.
This makes it even worse. What do you not understand? Black people constitute 12% of the population and yet, constitute 53 % of all criminality and police encounters. The criminality rate of black Americans towers over the criminality rate of white Americans, and yet, the number of unarmed white criminals killed by police towers over the numbers of black unarmed criminals killed by police. That is what this whole discussion is about and what is explained in the video.
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Post by sf on Jun 8, 2020 20:01:46 GMT
Black people constitute 12% of the population and yet, constitute 53 % of all criminality and police encounters. Has it occured to you to ask why?
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Post by vdcni on Jun 8, 2020 20:03:21 GMT
Yeah why read a carefully researched article putting the figures in context when you could just go along with whatever a woman who thinks the Coronavirus is a Democrat conspiracy against Trump and that George Soros is funding the protestors is saying.
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Post by The Matthew on Jun 8, 2020 20:11:57 GMT
That is what this whole discussion is about and what is explained in the video. Your sources are not exactly unbiased and reasonable. Candace Owens is a far-right extremist who makes Donald Trump look like a moderate.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 20:17:56 GMT
Black people constitute 12% of the population and yet, constitute 53 % of all criminality Has it occured to you to ask why? You tell me.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 8, 2020 20:20:45 GMT
Has it occured to you to ask why? You tell me. Still going on this one? Must be a wind up. You being serious today?
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Post by sf on Jun 8, 2020 20:22:00 GMT
Has it occured to you to ask why? You tell me. Well, I'll give you a hint: it's the reason we're seeing such widespread protests. This is not just about George Floyd.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 20:26:56 GMT
Well, I'll give you a hint: it's the reason we're seeing such widespread protests. This is not just about George Floyd. Using racism to defend such a high criminality rate? Wow. But you are definitely right about that last line, these protests are not about George Floyd. Many protesters are just too confused to understand this.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 20:27:55 GMT
Still going on this one? Must be a wind up. You being serious today? Yeah, I think I'm done for the day. Made my point. An important point. Sleep well!
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Post by sf on Jun 8, 2020 20:29:26 GMT
Well, I'll give you a hint: it's the reason we're seeing such widespread protests. This is not just about George Floyd. Using racism to defend such a high criminality rate and defend it? Wow.
That's incredibly offensive, and it isn't justified by anything I've written in this thread.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 20:31:59 GMT
Sleep well my friend, these kind of reactions between you and me are going nowhere. Our points are clear.
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Post by poster J on Jun 8, 2020 20:45:20 GMT
Well, I'll give you a hint: it's the reason we're seeing such widespread protests. This is not just about George Floyd. Using racism to defend such a high criminality rate? Wow. But you are definitely right about that last line, these protests are not about George Floyd. Many protesters are just too confused to understand this. What is actually happening is that you are using criminality to defend racism, which is not just "wow", it's abhorrent. And I think you'll find protestors do know this isn't just about George Floyd, though given that you seem incapable of understanding the concept of systemic racism it doesn't appear that you understand what the protests are actually about. Pretty much every post you are putting in this thread is more prejudiced and bigoted than the last, and I am running out of words adequately to express just how much you are completely and utterly wrong.
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