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Post by poster J on Jun 7, 2020 16:42:26 GMT
Mods, please could we have the posts on the protests and systemic racism moved a separate thread? This is an important discussion we should be having.
Thank you.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 7, 2020 16:57:39 GMT
In my best Burly voice This is a thread to discuss covid. if u want to start a thread on the protests please feel free but this is specifically for the discussion of Covid-19. lets keep it on point peeps Ooh Betty! Mods, please could we have the posts on the protests and systemic racism moved a separate thread? This is an important discussion we should be having. Thank you. Yes of course.
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Post by poster J on Jun 7, 2020 17:42:41 GMT
In my best Burly voice This is a thread to discuss covid. if u want to start a thread on the protests please feel free but this is specifically for the discussion of Covid-19. lets keep it on point peeps Ooh Betty! Mods, please could we have the posts on the protests and systemic racism moved a separate thread? This is an important discussion we should be having. Thank you. Yes of course. Thank you, much appreciated!
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 7, 2020 19:55:00 GMT
Protests in the US this week have already led some to adoption of some significant policing reforms in several major cities, including my own. It works. And we will keep doing it. Everyone has to make their own choices, but one can be out protesting and remain masked and social distanced. That matters to me, and I've selected protests where it is possible to so and remained vigilant while participating. Which is welcome, but is it enough? in the US serious crime only can be convicted if the jury is unanimous. Also when all the hullabaloo dies down, the trial gets moved to where a jury is more sympathetic, this how guilty cops, backed by the all powerful American Police Federation walk. A good thing that came out of the Stephen Lawrence murder, if I can really say that - is the end of the double jeopardy law, where if new evidence come to light the defendant can Now stand trial again, hence why two scumbags that murdered Stephen Lawrence got convicted of murder because of that deed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 21:27:36 GMT
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jun 8, 2020 7:12:44 GMT
Interesting how Boris Johnson uses incendiary language with racist overtones especially within the context used to criticise the Black Lives Matter protests.
At least he is being more cryptic than he has been in the past.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 9:57:38 GMT
I think these protests do more harm than good and the results will create a separation bigger than ever before. There is no doubt that the police officer was wrong, a power tripper who treated a criminal in an unfair way and he needs to be judged for it.
With that said, these protests have taken the lives of many police officers now, ruined an incredible amount of (black) lives, people have been stabbed and shot, including the many people that lost their lives because of protesters was a 4 year old black girl. Dead.
Every person using the George Floyd situation to address systemic racism in the country has blood on their hands. And let me explain that. Last year, 19 white unarmed criminals were killed in police encounters versus 9 black unarmed criminals. This is a huge difference. And this while 53% of the police encounters was with black people. This difference in percentage is unreal. This means that black people are actually being spared by police immensely. The rest of the cases was armed criminals and cases of self defense.
The amount of police officers killed by black criminals is 10 fold the amount of police officers killed by white criminals. Police officers must therefore be extra careful.
It is unfair that George Floyd is treated as a hero and a martyr now, not only because of these numbers, but also because he has been in jail 7 times. He was just released from prison, because he broke into a pregnant woman's house, held her at gunpoint while he robbed her house and assaulted her. What happened last week was an encounter between a police officer and a heavy criminal. The media is trying to hide this. Also the fact that he threw away bags of drugs during his arrest is hidden in the media. Because this caused the cop to put him on the ground, as it is an extra danger, he could be armed too.
The protests about this case are completely out of line and the protesters seem to have even less respect for human life than the police officer. Yes, there is systemic racism. Only this case had nothing to do with that. Actually with the opposite when you look at the numbers.
Black people in the USA dominate the pop charts, can become president, actors, talkshow hosts, lawyers, judges, we were actually going into the right direction years ago, step by step things were going better. To stay in musical terms, black people play Phantom, Evan Hansen, Billy Elliot, Glinda, etc. People tended to think less in color. Now, the gap is bigger than ever before. Nobody dares to treat a black person as a normal person anymore. The percentage in the casting world seems to be really off lately, in every commercial of 2 there is at least one black person. Now I don't mind this, but we must realize that this is completely off from the 12% of the population that is black. Why are companies so nervous and scared? Because there are so many other races out there, for example Asian people who do not have this social benefit/privilege. And even when the percentages are so much higher than the actual population, isn't that a wonderful thing to celebrate? Never before have I seen 1 black person in every commercial of 2. And yes, that is a privilege.
Someone mentioned that the protests seem to work. I think they do not. The reason these companies do things is because of total panic and fear of being called racist. While many of those companies were actually seeing people as people before. I'm sure casting directors (to give a random example) will give even more roles to black people now, to a point where it does not match society anymore in the slightest. But people have found out that "the victim role" is excellent to get what you want and if you scream loud enough, nobody dares to say anything about it. My question is, when are people content? How high must the difference be/stay?
Poster J said that the George Floyd protests and systemic racism should actually be separated in 2 different threads. I agree. Both things have nothing to do with eachother.
Here is a clip of a black American lady who can explain it better from her perspective:
There is a huge movement coming up. This lady has received letters from celebrities and athletes who have written her in privacy, thanking her— claiming that the mob is making them support #BLM publicly, even though they disagree with the message, privately. They are afraid to lose their careers but know the truth and are a part of the silent (silenced) majority.
And here are the actual numbers of the total amount of people killed by police officers in the USA annually:
Whites 55% Blacks 27% Hispanic 19%
While 53% of police encounters is with black people. Can anyone provide me with 1 name of a white or hispanic person that was killed by a police officer this year?
Some fruit for thought.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 8, 2020 10:14:37 GMT
Isn't Candace Owens more right wing than Trump? Not sure I'm excepting Candace Owens as speaking for black people in America, or me.
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Post by sf on Jun 8, 2020 10:26:04 GMT
It is unfair that George Floyd is treated as a hero and a martyr now Wow.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 10:26:40 GMT
I think her standpoint in this is quite neutral and sane. And she is not the only one by the way.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 10:27:23 GMT
It is unfair that George Floyd is treated as a hero and a martyr now Wow. Please watch the video and you will understand.
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Post by southstreet on Jun 8, 2020 10:34:46 GMT
It is unfair that George Floyd is treated as a hero and a martyr now Wow. There is so much wow in his post, I don't even know where to start!!!! But this is definitely one.
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Post by sf on Jun 8, 2020 10:39:19 GMT
Please watch the video and you will understand. Well, they start with the suggestion that the narrative that American police forces are prejudiced against black suspects is a lie, and at this point there's SO much evidence to disprove that theory that it's difficult to take anything that follows seriously. Here's the thing about YouTube: if you look hard enough - and usually you don't have to look very hard at all - you'll find some halfwit endorsing pretty much any garbage viewpoint. The fact that someone with a smartphone and wifi chooses to put a six-minute word salad online means nothing much other than that bandwidth is cheap. As for George Floyd, and what his other criminal activities might have been - he was arrested because he passed a counterfeit bill. Maybe it was an accident, maybe it wasn't. When a white person does it, and it DOES sometimes happen by accident, the outcome is never death by traumatic asphyxiation.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 10:41:33 GMT
I meant her video. The numbers do not lie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 10:45:06 GMT
A lot of privilege and latent racism seems to have arrived recently in this thread.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 10:47:43 GMT
Racism from black people? What do you have to say about her video? She explains the situation very well and it is only about facts.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 8, 2020 10:53:17 GMT
Racism from black people? What do you have to say about her video? She explains the situation very well and it is only about facts. Wow, again
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Post by poster J on Jun 8, 2020 10:54:48 GMT
Racism from black people? What do you have to say about her video? She explains the situation very well and it is only about facts. No, latent racism from you. I try not to call people out directly too often but your post is so offensive I don't even know where to start. And the sad thing is it's the same sort of uneducated, biased and inaccurate posts I've been railing against on other forums for days, which goes to show it sadly remains a systemic problem. If you can't see the many things that are wrong with what you posted I'm not sure anything anyone else on this thread can say will help. Mods, I apologise if this has gone too far, but if I have to be banned then so be it. Free speech is one thing, of course, but so is calling out posts that are offensive and I had to do that here.
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Post by sf on Jun 8, 2020 10:55:57 GMT
I meant her video. The numbers do not lie. Yes they do. The numbers you quoted - I have neither the time nor the inclination to watch an 18-minute video - are bald percentages, and she (I assume) quotes them to mask the demonstrable fact that the per-capita rate for black Americans is much, much higher than for whites. Or to put it another way, that 27% is drawn from somewhere around 13% of the overall population. For more information, you could start here: Black Americans 2.5x more likely to be killed by police
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Post by sf on Jun 8, 2020 11:01:11 GMT
A lot of privilege and latent racism seems to have arrived recently in this thread. "Latent" is extremely generous.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jun 8, 2020 11:05:54 GMT
What the data really says abut Police and racial bias. Eighteen academic studies, legal rulings, and media investigations shed light on institutionalised racism from 2016 (doubt much has changed) It s not all about deaths, these are the tip of the iceberg and as we all know the truth lies below the surface. www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/data-police-racial-bias
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Post by The Matthew on Jun 8, 2020 11:53:13 GMT
Dave25We've been giving you the benefit of the doubt but at this point it's pretty obvious that you're pissing all over other people's feelings and fully aware of it. There are times when you make some valid points and there are times when you make some nonsense ones, but whether you think you're right or not this is absolutely not the time to be telling everyone else they know nothing about racism. No more.
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Post by theatreian on Jun 8, 2020 12:09:24 GMT
Liked this eloquent piece of writing on racism.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 12:11:14 GMT
Poster J, no worries, you are as entitled to your opinion as anyone else is. That's what a forum is for.
sf, you won't even watch her video we are discussing? Then you have no right to join this discussion. Also, the point you make about 2.5 times likely is completely floored by the statistics and is based on the alarmingly hight number of armed black criminals who attack police officers. This disussion is about unarmed criminals.
The Matthew, the thing is that this problem is about facts. I only make points when things are proven. But with that said, I have made my point now, so I will leave it at this. I think it s a very important point to make and the truth can not be denied given the numbers. Also the fact that all those celebrities and companies admit that they just do it for fear while actually disagreeing very strongly shows how poisonous the situation is.
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Post by sf on Jun 8, 2020 12:14:56 GMT
sf, you won't even watch her video we are discussing? I won't watch eighteen minutes of drivel from Candace Owens, no. If you want to debate like an adult, find and post a footnoted article from a reputable source rather than an overextended rant from a widely-discredited partisan hack. It's not reasonable to expect anyone to sit through a video that's almost twenty minutes long. Rather than a video, try posting something people can read. Thanks.
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Post by vdcni on Jun 8, 2020 12:18:20 GMT
Candace Owens is an extreme pro Trump conservative that even other black conservatives have serious issues with.
This isn't the first time she's essentially said black men murdered by the police deserved it, she's also in the camp of saying the Democrats have weaponised coronovirus against Trump and that Hitler would have been ok if he'd kept his nationalism inside Germany.
If she's who you're using to back up your arguments that's all I need to know about you as a person.
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Post by poster J on Jun 8, 2020 12:21:42 GMT
Poster J, no worries, you are as entitled to your opinion as anyone else is. That's what a forum is for. I don't think this forum is for spreading prejudiced ideologies and false news, no. Your sources have already been revealed to be prejudiced themselves and to be quoting misleading statistics entirely out of context to back up arguments those statistics do not support. So no, you are not simply providing the facts. The fact that you either can't or choose not to recognise that, and to see how prejudiced your views are, is really alarming.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 12:25:44 GMT
Liked this eloquent piece of writing on racism. Great post, and what is described there is very true. People like Daniel, myself, and Candace understand this and see the real path out of this. Which is taking responsibility when it's there and not when it's not there. Never going in the victim role because we are equals per definition and work hard to show that. Especially in situations like these where the number of police deaths of white unarmed criminals towers above the number of black unarmed criminals. Looking at facts is a good way to start and to not create unnecessary division and unfair judgements which only takes away from human lives.
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 8, 2020 12:28:00 GMT
she's essentially said black men murdered by the police deserved it She literally says that the police officer is wrong and needs to be punished for taking a human life in an unnecessary way. And that there is no question about that. She also says that last year 19 unarmed white men were killed by the police versus 9 unarmed black men,while 53% of police encounters was with black men and that they also did not deserve it. She says that when you swing guns at the police you deserve it. So you can stop sticking with your chosen fake narrative now. She did not say what you claim she said. Do not make that up. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 12:36:43 GMT
. Also the fact that all those celebrities and companies admit that they just do it for fear while actually disagreeing very strongly shows how poisonous the situation is. Or how spineless and self obsessed those celebs and companies are
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