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Post by talkingheads on May 21, 2020 17:21:48 GMT
I don't think I can bear this for much longer. There has got to be some hope together us through. If everything that makes life worth living is threatened with extinction, whats the point? I certainly agree with you to a certain extent. The idea of facing going back to work with zero social events to look forward to, and social distancing for everything else is awful. On the flipside, there are lots of positives. I'm reading more than ever, I'm listening to music I never had time for, actually being able to sit and listen to albums all the way through is glorious. There was a line Ronnie Barker says in Porridge that really resonates with me. "Little victories". Succesfully completing a task every day no matter how small or mundane helps to keep some semblance of routine and normality.
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Post by londonpostie on May 21, 2020 17:36:08 GMT
I don't think I can bear this for much longer. There has got to be some hope together us through. If everything that makes life worth living is threatened with extinction, whats the point? Hey abby, what are you struggling with?
I've just been reading in the park which was pretty busy. Friends groups, family groups, lots of under 5s cycling around, people being very careful about a little distance but pretty much normal socialising with food and drink. You can enjoy all these things and still be following the rules
Even the park cafe was open for not sitting dwn stuff.
Also popped in to the community garden and they've been sweating life crazy all afternoon getting tomato plants in.
A beautiful, life-affirming afternoon with random nature and people! There's loads to see and be involved in - everyone is so desperate to enjoy the outside.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 21, 2020 19:15:37 GMT
I don't want to go all Piers Morgan, but what exactly has the government done well? Changing their minds about their original approach. Having a lockdown, and getting legislation passed to enable it. Getting the reproduction rate of the virus down. Making funding available to support people who can't work. What do you think they've done badly and how would you have done it better, without the benefit of hindsight? Most of the criticism I've seen is people complaining that the government should have known months ago what we know now, or the government should support their preferred causes at the expense of everyone else, or that the government's message is muddled because they refuse to think for themselves and want the government to do it for them. I reckon this site answers that question pretty well. All of that I don't think you needed hindsight to do better appeasement.org/I have thought of a government success. Our hospitals were not over run. We did not get images on the news of people in hospital corridors and car parks. I know, I know we threw the elderly and in particular those in social care nursing homes under the proverbial bus but hey, still... the NHS was not over run.
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Post by basdfg on May 21, 2020 20:56:55 GMT
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Post by basdfg on May 21, 2020 21:26:35 GMT
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Post by basdfg on May 22, 2020 10:12:16 GMT
Will the Government new 'Operation Defend' for production of key supplies be used to justify not protecting other jobs - with the idea that people in service industries made redundant can simply work in factories and others places linked the project instead. Afterall we have had ministers telling unemployed people to apply for fruit picking work.
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 22, 2020 10:25:23 GMT
Took a long time to see the drive for a service led economy is not much use when you need tangible products.
A nation that cannot generate enough energy, produce enough food and manufacture key supplies is dependant on third parties in difficult times and even more so now as we are moving away from globalisation and towards protectionism.
The infrastructure to become a manufacturing focused economy will be a difficult and most probably a long one as we decimated the foundation in the 80’s.
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Post by distantcousin on May 22, 2020 10:57:40 GMT
The first socially distanced concert has now taken place. I really hate to be negative but it looks like the most depressing night out. I'd ratger they stayed off for longer until it's safe than this. Gigs are all about the social, the get together. At the very least relaxing. Whatever this is certainly doesn't qualify! I'd rather not bother. It's a depressing fascimile
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 22, 2020 15:16:07 GMT
Took a long time to see the drive for a service led economy is not much use when you need tangible products. A nation that cannot generate enough energy, produce enough food and manufacture key supplies is dependant on third parties in difficult times and even more so now as we are moving away from globalisation and towards protectionism. The infrastructure to become a manufacturing focused economy will be a difficult and most probably a long one as we decimated the foundation in the 80’s. Bloody Thatcher
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 22, 2020 15:17:37 GMT
Took a long time to see the drive for a service led economy is not much use when you need tangible products. A nation that cannot generate enough energy, produce enough food and manufacture key supplies is dependant on third parties in difficult times and even more so now as we are moving away from globalisation and towards protectionism. The infrastructure to become a manufacturing focused economy will be a difficult and most probably a long one as we decimated the foundation in the 80’s. Bloody Thatcher Saying that, she'd have been all over an authoritarian lockdown. She'd have had the army on the street, nobody would have dared leave the house. We'd have been South Korea
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Post by basdfg on May 22, 2020 15:41:22 GMT
Theatres will re open in parts of Spain on Monday but only at 1/3 capacity. But not in it's biggest cities who are a stage further behind.
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Post by basdfg on May 22, 2020 16:05:44 GMT
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Post by basdfg on May 22, 2020 18:14:41 GMT
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Post by Jan on May 22, 2020 18:30:55 GMT
Saying that, she'd have been all over an authoritarian lockdown. She'd have had the army on the street, nobody would have dared leave the house. We'd have been South Korea The South Korea lockdown was much easier because society as a whole there is there is far more compliant (I have spent quite a bit of time there). The original modelling here, used to determine the lockdown date, assumed only 5 weeks of high levels of compliance would be possible, in fact we got a few weeks more than that before it started to widely break down. Austria have a 14 day quarantine too but if you have a medical certificate with a negative test result you don't have to do it - seems a more sensible approach. One fact to ponder, there isn't a country anywhere in the world that's seen a second peak after relaxing lockdown, including countries who lifted their lockdown 4 weeks ago. Why not ?
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Post by basdfg on May 22, 2020 18:40:42 GMT
Saying that, she'd have been all over an authoritarian lockdown. She'd have had the army on the street, nobody would have dared leave the house. We'd have been South Korea The South Korea lockdown was much easier because society as a whole there is there is far more compliant (I have spent quite a bit of time there). The original modelling here, used to determine the lockdown date, assumed only 5 weeks of high levels of compliance would be possible, in fact we got a few weeks more than that before it started to widely break down. Austria have a 14 day quarantine too but if you have a medical certificate with a negative test result you don't have to do it - seems a more sensible approach. One fact to ponder, there isn't a country anywhere in the world that's seen a second peak after relaxing lockdown, including countries who lifted their lockdown 4 weeks ago. Why not ? While not a country one state in Argentina, Chaco, lifted restrictions on gatherings earlier than others and cases have not dropped much at all there from their high.
Mainly because everyone is still trying to avoid each other, wear masks and isolate if their have symptoms.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 23, 2020 6:47:59 GMT
If we could use this for your general discussion and please keep the other threads on topic it would be appreciated. Please remember, no spreading of misinformation (this is against Proboards rules and could get us closed down) or posts intended to frighten or alarm members.
Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 14:52:58 GMT
As a few major museums open here in the States, I've notice a silver lining that I feel a bit sheepish or guilty to even mention: the initial attendance limitations and timed entrances mean that for once, it may be possible to truly enjoy a museum experience (particularly to look at major or popular works) instead of fighting the (selfie) crowds.
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Post by sleepflower on May 23, 2020 15:35:12 GMT
As a few major museums open here in the States, I've notice a silver lining that I feel a bit sheepish or guilty to even mention: the initial attendance limitations and timed entrances mean that for once, it may be possible to truly enjoy a museum experience (particularly to look at major or popular works) instead of fighting the (selfie) crowds. I work at a very famous museum in London and I'm interested to see how they deal with it here. Some galleries are huge and will therefore be ideal for distancing, but I can imagine a lot of people rushing back to visit for something to do once restrictions end. Having no tourists will cut down on a lot of traffic but I'm hoping they can figure something out. From what I've heard most places are opening 'back of house' before anything else.
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Post by clair on May 24, 2020 8:11:03 GMT
Something that doesn't seem to have come up anywhere is that with journeys to and from work possibly being doubled if not more for many shouldn't places be looking at adding portaloos along routes? My normal bus journey home takes 3 buses and an average of almost two hours - double that with no loos and I foresee certain issues with my return to work!
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Post by alece10 on May 24, 2020 10:58:57 GMT
Something that doesn't seem to have come up anywhere is that with journeys to and from work possibly being doubled if not more for many shouldn't places be looking at adding portaloos along routes? My normal bus journey home takes 3 buses and an average of almost two hours - double that with no loos and I foresee certain issues with my return to work! That's if you can even get on a bus. Last week I had to walk the last part of my journey home every day as the bus can now only accommodate about 15 people instead of 85 so it doesn't let let anyone on at my stop. Added to this the service has halved its frequency meaning that there is no point waiting for the next one as that will also be full with even more people waiting at the bus stop.
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 25, 2020 9:27:04 GMT
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Post by lynette on May 25, 2020 9:43:04 GMT
Are you thinking this is a second wave or the result of people cramming the beach a couple of weeks ago?
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 25, 2020 9:48:39 GMT
lynette no idea, we need to continue our focus despite the mixed messages, hundreds are still dying every day and we can now rely on our instinct which is a dangerous scenario.
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Post by vdcni on May 25, 2020 9:56:54 GMT
I've seen suggestions that this is actually the first wave in the South West as they haven't been particularly badly affected so far.
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 25, 2020 10:05:07 GMT
If this is the first wave it would imply it was bought into the area recently within the last two weeks (VE Day).
A dangerous precedent for tourist areas which have fortunately had limited impact so far?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 25, 2020 10:40:51 GMT
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 25, 2020 11:39:28 GMT
If you have a Tory MP check their Twitter feed to determine the contempt they feel for you if they use this cut and paste standardised tweet to reply to their concerned constituents.
Constituents who have contacted me regarding Dominic Cummings can rest assured I’ve conveyed the strength of local feeling to relevant colleagues. Personal replies to follow in due course.
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 25, 2020 12:10:41 GMT
Believe the Prime Minister is holding a press conference later, sorry a simple mistake, it is Dominic Cummings.
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Post by dontdreamit on May 25, 2020 12:37:46 GMT
If you have a Tory MP check their Twitter feed to determine the contempt they feel for you if they use this cut and paste standardised tweet to reply to their concerned constituents. Constituents who have contacted me regarding Dominic Cummings can rest assured I’ve conveyed the strength of local feeling to relevant colleagues. Personal replies to follow in due course. James O’Brien was talking about this on LBC this morning. We are in a safe labour area so no copy and paste tweet here!
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Post by Someone in a tree on May 25, 2020 15:15:19 GMT
I'm glued to the telly waiting for DC's statement. This is the weirdest bank Holiday ever
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