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Post by basdfg on May 20, 2020 15:48:16 GMT
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Post by clair on May 20, 2020 15:57:38 GMT
Having been to several concerts that weren't exactly sold out they can still be great - it all depends on the people in the audience and how the performer deals with the small number of people. Many shows I've seen in theatres have been less than half full but still thoroughly enjoyable - all depends on how glass half full/empty a person you are really
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Post by talkingheads on May 20, 2020 17:07:53 GMT
This really looks dreadful. I can't stand going to any event when it is only a fraction full. There is nothing worse than just a muted applause and in my mind part of the attraction of live entertainment is the atmosphere and the response of an audience. This would not be there in theatres only a fraction full. In Edinburgh some of my best memories are of shows where I made up half the audience. The difference is the tiny venue size. In a theatre it would be much more noticeable. If it means theatre can start up again I'm all for it but I'm facsinated to see how they plan to make it even vaguely affordable for anyone.
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Post by basdfg on May 20, 2020 17:19:56 GMT
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Post by basdfg on May 20, 2020 17:24:13 GMT
This really looks dreadful. I can't stand going to any event when it is only a fraction full. There is nothing worse than just a muted applause and in my mind part of the attraction of live entertainment is the atmosphere and the response of an audience. This would not be there in theatres only a fraction full. In Edinburgh some of my best memories are of shows where I made up hakf the audience. The difference is the tiny venue size. In a theatre it would be much more noticeable. If it means theatre can start up again I'm all for it but I'm facsinated to see how they plan to make it even vaguely affordable for anyone. It's not affordable - that concert was not something being run for anything but to simply perform. Even the simplest plays would struggle to cover their costs.
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Post by TallPaul on May 20, 2020 17:43:06 GMT
One swallow a summer does not make, but no new cases of Covid yesterday in either London or East England.
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Post by alece10 on May 20, 2020 17:48:00 GMT
One swallow a summer does not make, but no new cases of Covid yesterday in either London or East England. Yes but they have just said on the London news that the figure is not correct due technical issues. It sounded too good to be true.
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Post by basdfg on May 20, 2020 18:09:26 GMT
Will the UK not being part of the EHIC card affect tourism and thus theatre sales. If insurance is a fair bit more expensive will eu tourists stay in the bloc more than before?
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Post by basdfg on May 20, 2020 22:04:59 GMT
The government will be happy if it boosts domestic tourism (Less happy if TUI and co fail and have to cover millions of refunds or let millions of people lose money.)
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Post by vdcni on May 21, 2020 7:37:24 GMT
I don't know if they will be happy about it but they certainly shouldn't be if we've reached a point that other countries are saying the UK Governments response has been so feeble they are reluctant to allow British people into their countries.
I'm sure the government will keep trying to peddle the line that they've done well though.
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Post by basdfg on May 21, 2020 9:29:30 GMT
I don't know if they will be happy about it but they certainly shouldn't be if we've reached a point that other countries are saying the UK Governments response has been so feeble they are reluctant to allow British people into their countries. I'm sure the government will keep trying to peddle the line that they've done well though. I think we will see the public revert to political polarisation in how they see the government response.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 10:51:44 GMT
I don't know if they will be happy about it but they certainly shouldn't be if we've reached a point that other countries are saying the UK Governments response has been so feeble they are reluctant to allow British people into their countries. I'm sure the government will keep trying to peddle the line that they've done well though. I think we will see the public revert to political polarisation in how they see the government response. What about all those ‘borrowed’ votes, transitional labour voting Tory to get Brexit ‘done’?
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Post by The Matthew on May 21, 2020 11:14:58 GMT
I'm sure the government will keep trying to peddle the line that they've done well though. Apart from the stupidity of the initial approach that's resulted in us having ten times as many cases as we should have had, I think the government has actually done pretty well. The whole world is having to make it as as we go along, and at least in Britain we don't have to deal with politicians who are either denying that the disease exists or are acting as though it's all a scheme to bring down the government. Or boasting about how having more infections than anywhere else means "we're number one!" Having said that, I think heads should roll over the initial approach. The original assumption that we could build up natural herd immunity when nobody knew whether this disease was one where that could happen, along with the idea that the mortality rate among the healthy would be close enough to zero as makes no difference and all we had to do was "flatten the curve", plus the fact that the initial inaction was exactly the opposite of what was required to flatten the curve anyway, all suggest a staggering degree of incompetence that needs to be investigated.
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Post by basdfg on May 21, 2020 11:22:03 GMT
I think the global new cold war between the West and China and it's allies wil be economically massive. Easier to see half the world being in two camps economically ignoring the other for nearly all purposes including even many cultural and sporting events. Hard to tell where the next 5 years will go.
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Post by Jon on May 21, 2020 11:23:54 GMT
I imagine Matt Hancock will likely be gone from the cabinet when this has passed. I think the global new cold war between the West and China and it's allies wil be economically massive. Easier to see half the world being in two camps economically ignoring the other for nearly all purposes including even many cultural and sporting events. Hard to tell where the next 5 years will go. Stop doom mongering as usual.
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Post by basdfg on May 21, 2020 11:28:56 GMT
I imagine Matt Hancock will likely be gone from the cabinet when this has passed. I think the global new cold war between the West and China and it's allies wil be economically massive. Easier to see half the world being in two camps economically ignoring the other for nearly all purposes including even many cultural and sporting events. Hard to tell where the next 5 years will go. Stop doom mongering as usual. How is that doom mongering?
But to add a positive maybe nothing will happen.
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Post by basdfg on May 21, 2020 11:48:54 GMT
I do find being optimistic hard at times through - I am one of those people who doesn't like the crash from being optimistic to not being it.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 11:49:08 GMT
I imagine Matt Hancock will likely be gone from the cabinet when this has passed. Stop doom mongering as usual. How is that doom mongering?Â
But to add a positive maybe nothing will happen.
THATS THE SPIRIT
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 21, 2020 11:54:31 GMT
I'm sure the government will keep trying to peddle the line that they've done well though. Apart from the stupidity of the initial approach that's resulted in us having ten times as many cases as we should have had, I think the government has actually done pretty well. The whole world is having to make it as as we go along, and at least in Britain we don't have to deal with politicians who are either denying that the disease exists or are acting as though it's all a scheme to bring down the government. Or boasting about how having more infections than anywhere else means "we're number one!" Having said that, I think heads should roll over the initial approach. The original assumption that we could build up natural herd immunity when nobody knew whether this disease was one where that could happen, along with the idea that the mortality rate among the healthy would be close enough to zero as makes no difference and all we had to do was "flatten the curve", plus the fact that the initial inaction was exactly the opposite of what was required to flatten the curve anyway, all suggest a staggering degree of incompetence that needs to be investigated. I don't want to go all Piers Morgan, but what exactly has the government done well?
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Post by The Matthew on May 21, 2020 12:10:10 GMT
I don't want to go all Piers Morgan, but what exactly has the government done well? Changing their minds about their original approach. Having a lockdown, and getting legislation passed to enable it. Getting the reproduction rate of the virus down. Making funding available to support people who can't work. What do you think they've done badly and how would you have done it better, without the benefit of hindsight? Most of the criticism I've seen is people complaining that the government should have known months ago what we know now, or the government should support their preferred causes at the expense of everyone else, or that the government's message is muddled because they refuse to think for themselves and want the government to do it for them.
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Post by talkingheads on May 21, 2020 12:12:34 GMT
I don't want to go all Piers Morgan, but what exactly has the government done well? Changing their minds about their original approach. Having a lockdown, and getting legislation passed to enable it. Getting the reproduction rate of the virus down. Making funding available to support people who can't work. What do you think they've done badly and how would you have done it better, without the benefit of hindsight? Most of the criticism I've seen is people complaining that the government should have known months ago what we know now, or the government should support their preferred causes at the expense of everyone else, or that the government's message is muddled because they refuse to think for themselves and want the government to do it for them. *Having a lockdown (and a laughabley vague one at that) far too late and ignoring scientific evidence because Johnson couldn't be arsed to go to any Cobra meetings you mean?
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Post by Someone in a tree on May 21, 2020 12:13:30 GMT
Apart from the stupidity of the initial approach that's resulted in us having ten times as many cases as we should have had, I think the government has actually done pretty well. The whole world is having to make it as as we go along, and at least in Britain we don't have to deal with politicians who are either denying that the disease exists or are acting as though it's all a scheme to bring down the government. Or boasting about how having more infections than anywhere else means "we're number one!" Having said that, I think heads should roll over the initial approach. The original assumption that we could build up natural herd immunity when nobody knew whether this disease was one where that could happen, along with the idea that the mortality rate among the healthy would be close enough to zero as makes no difference and all we had to do was "flatten the curve", plus the fact that the initial inaction was exactly the opposite of what was required to flatten the curve anyway, all suggest a staggering degree of incompetence that needs to be investigated. I don't want to go all Piers Morgan, but what exactly has the government done well? Very good at blaming scientists
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 21, 2020 12:15:09 GMT
I don't want to go all Piers Morgan, but what exactly has the government done well? Changing their minds about their original approach. Having a lockdown, and getting legislation passed to enable it. Getting the reproduction rate of the virus down. Making funding available to support people who can't work. What do you think they've done badly and how would you have done it better, without the benefit of hindsight? Most of the criticism I've seen is people complaining that the government should have known months ago what we know now, or the government should support their preferred causes at the expense of everyone else, or that the government's message is muddled because they refuse to think for themselves and want the government to do it for them. Wow. Measuring doing something well because they didn't kill 250,000 of us?
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Post by n1david on May 21, 2020 12:31:35 GMT
What do you think they've done badly and how would you have done it better, without the benefit of hindsight? What I will never understand is the week-long phoney war, when we were told not to go out, not to go to the pub, not to socialise, to work from home on March 16th - but pubs, restaurants, theatres etc were not prohibited from opening and so many of them did, until the closure of social venues on March 20 and everything else on March 23. I don't understand the logic of that week, during which people continued to mix and socialise, including most infamously at the Cheltenham Gold Cup. Given that they thought the situation was so serious on March 16 that we were asked to avoid "non-essential travel", what was the point of that week - were they thinking that a full shutdown was avoidable if we all played nicely, despite the evidence from France and Italy? I stopped going out on the 16th, some of my friends did not. That initial "fuzziness' of the advice is still something I don't understand... and I didn't understand it at the time, which is why I didn't go out in that week.
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Post by vdcni on May 21, 2020 12:50:08 GMT
Not denying science like Trump or Bolsonaro is a very low bar to set as a sign of doing well.
The ongoing PPE f*** ups - what was that mess with Turkey, the care home disasters, the slow testing regime, the chaos around test and tracing apps - going our own way for no good reason, ignoring the devolved governments, the mess around school re-openings - all that and the government refusing to accept any responsibility and the clear attempts to reframe it as the fault of the scientists.
There's a reason we're being considered globally as one of the countries that has really made a mess of this.
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 21, 2020 12:54:40 GMT
The 16th to 23rd gap is becoming the next focus and battlefield.
Report today states ¾ of the deaths so far could have been avoided if we locked down a week earlier.
This seems quite large but as we have seen in other Countries a quick lockdown leads to a shortened the tail and less lost lives.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 15:21:59 GMT
I don't think I can bear this for much longer. There has got to be some hope together us through. If everything that makes life worth living is threatened with extinction, whats the point?
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 21, 2020 15:31:33 GMT
@abby there are an abundance of things that make life worth living.
This imposed change has reignited my passion for cycling, I have more time to play the guitar which I have neglected over the last few years and a good book is always a pleasure.
We will all be slightly different people when this is over, embrace the change and the person you are becoming.
Do I miss the Theatre and just sitting in a cafe or a bar, as one who saw at least 3 plays a week the answer is obviously yes, am I despondent, no.
Maybe it is because I am older and can reflect on how my interests have changed over the years and how I bear little resemblance to my 18 year old self that I can sit back and go with the flow.
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Post by Cleo on May 21, 2020 17:11:42 GMT
I totally agree with N1David - it was a fiasco and a terrible thing to do as businesses had food, staff etc to cover and for their customers it was not clear. My friend and I had a meal date on the Thursday which we cancelled. The lead up to lock down was frightening and chaotic.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on May 21, 2020 17:19:05 GMT
@abby there are an abundance of things that make life worth living. This imposed change has reignited my passion for cycling, I have more time to play the guitar which I have neglected over the last few years and a good book is always a pleasure. We will all be slightly different people when this is over, embrace the change and the person you are becoming. Do I miss the Theatre and just sitting in a cafe or a bar, as one who saw at least 3 plays a week the answer is obviously yes, am I despondent, no. Maybe it is because I am older and can reflect on how my interests have changed over the years and how I bear little resemblance to my 18 year old self that I can sit back and go with the flow. Nature, for me. I was out for a walk a couple of nights ago and was silently tracking a badger trundling down a main road. They've got poor eyesight but when I made the slightest noise it noticed me and ran off at an incredible speed, he (an older male) was off at a hell of a lick, it surprised me how quick they can go. Simpler things, slowing down, having a sleep pattern that makes me feel better, catching up on all those CDs and DVDs that I never got around to watching, learning new technology so that I can keep in touch with people, realising that there are other ways of living.
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