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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 10:09:05 GMT
I can understand some people preferring to work from an office, but I wouldn't want to work for any company that didn't allow working from home for those who want it. I like being able to have a proper meal in the middle of the day. I like being able to order stuff without having to worry about being home to receive it. I like being able to work whatever hours I choose. I don't miss having to scrape ice off the windscreen every morning and sitting there with the engine running for ten minutes until the glass stops fogging up. I don't miss sitting next to someone who seemed to catch 52 colds a year and wanted to share them with everyone. I don't miss meetings where 80% of the time is spent discussing details of interest to 20% of those present.
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Post by fiyero on Jan 14, 2022 10:11:13 GMT
Apparently it's 22% less test processed than a week ago, so that definitely has a big part to play in the fall of numbers but we are definitely heading in the right direction, which is great. I am still amused with people's obsession with wishing away Plan B though. It doesn't stop anyone from doing anything, so where is the problem? LOL Plan B has stopped some things. Like closing offices and sending people to work from home. I personally had a melt down in the office at the thought of having to WFH again but I just can’t do it. It makes me feel the lowest I’ve ever felt and I find it so tough for a variety of reasons. Fortunately I have an understanding boss and he’s letting me and some others who can’t WFH still go to the office. But it’s very quiet and I’m missing a lot of my colleagues. I feel like we’d only just got a full office back then most ppl went home again! Masks I’m not bothered about, they’re whatever, but working from home for me is not something I can do again. I'm in a similar boat. My department is now flexible working with Thursday being the mandatory day in the office. I can go in as many days as I want (pre plan-b) and Tuesday is a good day to go as a linked department is in so I had been doing Tuesdays and Thursdays. My long term aim is Tuesday-Thursday as I still get some benefit working from home on Mondays and Fridays. I am on the list of people who can go in at the moment but the main reason to do so was to see people and I'd be more or less alone in the office. Part of it is also getting out the house so I think I will return in February whether Plan B is over or not (as long as we don't have plan C or anything stricter!) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 17:14:13 GMT
I've been Working from home since 13th March 2020 - Cheltenham Gold Cup day I recall. We were told we needed to be in one day a week last autumn but as I'm able to do my job 100% from home I didn't go back in and my management haven't enforced it.
Cases seem to be going down but there could be a lot of unreported still and numbers are high. Deaths have sadly gone up but nowhere near where they were this time last year. Hospital admimissions are hopefully flattening out now at below 20k in at any one time compared to well over 35k this time last year.
As regards all these psarties/drinks receptions wasn't one just around the time of Cummings at Barnard Castle. Now with the latest incident before the Duke's funeral I do wonder how many of the veteran Tory Mps in those big majority shire seats may want Boris gone. Surely the "stereotype" Tories see him as a buffoon and a liability and like the Monarchy the Tories look to survive regardless of whether they might stand again or not.
The Tories have only got into such a powerful position as Labour got their leaders wrong twice possibly 3 times since Blair and/or Brown.
Add in the apathy of a Government in power for too long - 18 years Tory under Maggie and Major, 13 years Labour under Sir Tony and Brown now coming up to 12 years Tory lead government although only just over 3 years has been as a majority so change or no majority next time is highley likely.
BTW I vote Tory but I think Boris needs to go.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 14, 2022 17:35:50 GMT
I've been Working from home since 13th March 2020 - Cheltenham Gold Cup day I recall. We were told we needed to be in one day a week last autumn but as I'm able to do my job 100% from home I didn't go back in and my management haven't enforced it. Cases seem to be going down but there could be a lot of unreported still and numbers are high. Deaths have sadly gone up but nowhere near where they were this time last year. Hospital admimissions are hopefully flattening out now at below 20k in at any one time compared to well over 35k this time last year. As regards all these psarties/drinks receptions wasn't one just around the time of Cummings at Barnard Castle. Now with the latest incident before the Duke's funeral I do wonder how many of the veteran Tory Mps in those big majority shire seats may want Boris gone. Surely the "stereotype" Tories see him as a buffoon and a liability and like the Monarchy the Tories look to survive regardless of whether they might stand again or not. The Tories have only got into such a powerful position as Labour got their leaders wrong twice possibly 3 times since Blair and/or Brown. Add in the apathy of a Government in power for too long - 18 years Tory under Maggie and Major, 13 years Labour under Sir Tony and Brown now coming up to 12 years Tory lead government although only just over 3 years has been as a majority so change or no majority next time is highley likely. BTW I vote Tory but I think Boris needs to go. Feel for you |
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Post by kathryn on Jan 14, 2022 22:26:27 GMT
Apparently it's 22% less test processed than a week ago, so that definitely has a big part to play in the fall of numbers but we are definitely heading in the right direction, which is great. I am still amused with people's obsession with wishing away Plan B though. It doesn't stop anyone from doing anything, so where is the problem? LOL Probably something to do with it being virtually impossible to get hold of LFTs in some places for periods of time. My local pharmacy told me they’d had 3 deliveries not arrive. Hopefully supply is back on track now - I managed to get some posted to me this week. |
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Post by og on Jan 15, 2022 8:57:31 GMT
Apparently it's 22% less test processed than a week ago, so that definitely has a big part to play in the fall of numbers but we are definitely heading in the right direction, which is great. I am still amused with people's obsession with wishing away Plan B though. It doesn't stop anyone from doing anything, so where is the problem? LOL Probably something to do with it being virtually impossible to get hold of LFTs in some places for periods of time. My local pharmacy told me they’d had 3 deliveries not arrive. Hopefully supply is back on track now - I managed to get some posted to me this week. As Trump said, if you test less there’ll be less cases! |
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Post by zahidf on Jan 15, 2022 11:37:42 GMT
“In a bad flu season, 200-300 die a day over winter and nobody wears a mask or socially distances, that's perhaps that’s a right line to draw in the sand." Good article. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59970281 |
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Post by Mark on Jan 15, 2022 12:17:46 GMT
“In a bad flu season, 200-300 die a day over winter and nobody wears a mask or socially distances, that's perhaps that’s a right line to draw in the sand." Good article. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59970281Agreed it is a very good article and I do believe much of it will come to be. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 15, 2022 12:18:23 GMT
“In a bad flu season, 200-300 die a day over winter and nobody wears a mask or socially distances, that's perhaps that’s a right line to draw in the sand." Good article. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59970281Are those figures correct? |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 15, 2022 12:19:20 GMT
“In a bad flu season, 200-300 die a day over winter and nobody wears a mask or socially distances, that's perhaps that’s a right line to draw in the sand." Good article. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59970281Not according to the Office of National Statistics anyway |
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Post by Dan213 on Jan 15, 2022 17:08:01 GMT
“In a bad flu season, 200-300 die a day over winter and nobody wears a mask or socially distances, that's perhaps that’s a right line to draw in the sand." Good article. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59970281So by that you mean you'd accept 400-600+ deaths a day then? Aside from this, COVID is an entirely different illness to flu. You can't treat it exactly the same. As much as comparisons are continuously made, they aren't particularly helpful, you've seen quite clearly that even with plan B measures in place we are exceeding these flu figures. It's like comparing a ford to a ferrari. Covid really needs to be looked at differently, its pretty naive from a media perspective to compare the two viruses, just because they're well, viruses... |
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Post by zahidf on Jan 15, 2022 17:14:01 GMT
“In a bad flu season, 200-300 die a day over winter and nobody wears a mask or socially distances, that's perhaps that’s a right line to draw in the sand." Good article. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59970281So by that you mean you'd accept 400-600+ deaths a day then? Aside from this, COVID is an entirely different illness to flu. You can't treat it exactly the same. As much as comparisons are continuously made, they aren't particularly helpful, you've seen quite clearly that even with plan B measures in place we are exceeding these flu figures. It's like comparing a ford to a ferrari.  Covid really needs to be looked at differently, its pretty naive from a media perspective to compare the two viruses, just because they're well, viruses... We aren't on 4-600 deaths a day though. The 7 day average is around 2-300 a day. The models (surprise surprise) are wrong. Cases are dropping massively now, 50% less than this time last week. |
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Post by Dan213 on Jan 15, 2022 17:35:45 GMT
So by that you mean you'd accept 400-600+ deaths a day then? Aside from this, COVID is an entirely different illness to flu. You can't treat it exactly the same. As much as comparisons are continuously made, they aren't particularly helpful, you've seen quite clearly that even with plan B measures in place we are exceeding these flu figures. It's like comparing a ford to a ferrari. Covid really needs to be looked at differently, its pretty naive from a media perspective to compare the two viruses, just because they're well, viruses... We aren't on 4-600 deaths a day though. The 7 day average is around 2-300 a day. The models (surprise surprise) are wrong. Cases are dropping massively now, 50% less than this time last week. ... 200-300 flu deaths per day + 200-300 covid deaths per day = 400-600. Covid doesn't make flu dissappear. Which models are you referring to? There are many different scenarios modelled |
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Post by zahidf on Jan 15, 2022 17:42:04 GMT
We aren't on 4-600 deaths a day though. The 7 day average is around 2-300 a day. The models (surprise surprise) are wrong. Cases are dropping massively now, 50% less than this time last week. ... 200-300 flu deaths per day + 200-300 covid deaths per day = 400-600. Covid doesn't make flu dissappear. Which models are you referring to? There are many different scenarios modelled Is that the current rate of flu deaths? Are you saying we need to stop flu deaths now? The 600-6000 clvud deaths a day models SAGE said |
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Post by Dan213 on Jan 15, 2022 17:49:42 GMT
... 200-300 flu deaths per day + 200-300 covid deaths per day = 400-600. Covid doesn't make flu dissappear. Which models are you referring to? There are many different scenarios modelled Is that the current rate of flu deaths? Are you saying we need to stop flu deaths now? The 600-6000 clvud deaths a day models SAGE said I mean yes... one aim of modern medicine is to reduce excess deaths, they aren't just an accepted statistic... SAGE don't do the modelling, they pull lots of research from different organisations and make recomendations based upon this. 'SAGE' has seemingly becoming a blanket term for all science There were some high death rates modelled in these but these were only worst case scenarios (ie low booster uptake etc. as they were produced prior to the ramp up of the booster programme) |
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Post by Mark on Jan 15, 2022 18:07:07 GMT
We need to remember that reported covid death figures are those dying with covid, not from covid, something we'll never really be able to differentiate between.
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Post by Dan213 on Jan 15, 2022 18:24:08 GMT
We need to remember that reported covid death figures are those dying with covid, not from covid, something we'll never really be able to differentiate between. This difference is negligible and completely outweighed by those that die > 28 days after +ve test and also those that aren't recorded as covid. This argument has been disproved several times over |
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Post by Mark on Jan 15, 2022 18:33:06 GMT
We need to remember that reported covid death figures are those dying with covid, not from covid, something we'll never really be able to differentiate between. This difference is negligible and completely outweighed by those that die > 28 days after +ve test and also those that aren't recorded as covid. This argument has been disproved several times over Maybe in previous waves, but perhaps not when it is so present in society. One thing that is a continuing trend is deaths as a %age of positive cases which is at an all time low. |
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Post by ronnette on Jan 15, 2022 22:56:34 GMT
We aren't on 4-600 deaths a day though. The 7 day average is around 2-300 a day. The models (surprise surprise) are wrong. Cases are dropping massively now, 50% less than this time last week. ... 200-300 flu deaths per day + 200-300 covid deaths per day = 400-600. Covid doesn't make flu dissappear. Which models are you referring to? There are many different scenarios modelled You can’t die twice. If you read the article it says that the vast majority of people who are likely to die from Covid are the same as those likely to die from flu. Same number of people dying just some of covid now and some of flu. |
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Post by Dan213 on Jan 16, 2022 9:43:08 GMT
... 200-300 flu deaths per day + 200-300 covid deaths per day = 400-600. Covid doesn't make flu dissappear. Which models are you referring to? There are many different scenarios modelled You can’t die twice. If you read the article it says that the vast majority of people who are likely to die from Covid are the same as those likely to die from flu. Same number of people dying just some of covid now and some of flu. This isn't strictly true. Whilst there is definitely some overlap, especially in the most vulnerable groups, covid is a very different disease to flu: There's some very good info here making the comparisons: www.health.org.uk/publications/long-reads/one-year-on-three-myths-about-COVID-19-that-the-data-proved-wrongIn short we'd expect to see much higher winter death rates with the coexistence of both flu and covid if we do nothing. The hope is really that either we see further improvements in antivirals or other therapeutics, combined with vaccines that work against multiple (and future) strains |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 12:28:03 GMT
With winter deaths especially amongst the elderly you'd very often find pnuemonia as a number of causes on death certificates plus respiritory issues and maybe heart failure. There were about 20k flu deaths per winter (approx figures if anyone knows them exact please advise). The vaccinations were only given to OAPs, vulnerable, medical staff, carers. Now extended to over 50's and underlying health issues.
If Covid becomes something similar in numbers and mortality to what flu has been for many years, I think we would be all happy. If it means everyone over 12 is offered one vaccine a year and older/higher risks need a booster we have the infrastructure to do that now.
Hopefully cases are going down. Deaths have ticked up as we expected but nowhere near last years numbers at this time and hospital numbers have levelled off which is another good thing.
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Post by Jon on Jan 17, 2022 14:51:34 GMT
Given Australia now has more cases per capita compared to the UK, it does make me wonder if New Zealand and Western Australia, the latter the only place with little to no cases will be in for a nasty surprise when they reopen fully.
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Post by sfsusan on Jan 17, 2022 16:13:40 GMT
“In a bad flu season, 200-300 die a day over winter and nobody wears a mask or socially distances, that's perhaps that’s a right line to draw in the sand." Except Asian societies have worn masks during flu/cold season for years. Now that we're more used to that concept, why wouldn't we do so in order to prevent flu deaths as well? |
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Post by zahidf on Jan 17, 2022 16:23:28 GMT
“In a bad flu season, 200-300 die a day over winter and nobody wears a mask or socially distances, that's perhaps that’s a right line to draw in the sand." Except Asian societies have worn masks during flu/cold season for years. Now that we're more used to that concept, why wouldn't we do so in order to prevent flu deaths as well? Some people will chose to do so. I think its clear by now that it isn't going to be something UK society will chose to do, and forcing it wont be popular. |
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Post by southstreet on Jan 17, 2022 16:35:52 GMT
And being popular is obviously all that counts! ;p
To be fair, the government has effed up any chance of adherence to mask wearing right at the beginning of the pandemic with their dawdling around of 'does it make a difference, does it not' and "if you consider yourself exempt, just don't wear one", cos nobody has to prove it and you're not even allowed to question people that aren't wearing a mask if they actually are exempt. Whereas in other countries where none of that mixed-messaging rubbish was going on people just got on with it for the most part.
Here, regardless of it being the right thing to do if you're ill and mixing with people (especially on crowded public transport, etc), people don't even adhere to it when we have 200k+ cases a day, coughing and sniffling all over their fellow commuters without a mask, so what chance do we have of people doing the right thing when numbers are down and it's just common courtesy to not spread your germs? Just really not something that seems to be of huge importance in large parts of this country's society, or as zahidf puts it, it's just not popular.
P.S. this isn't a dig at zahidf, this is just my personal observations of taking public transport in London.
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