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Post by alece10 on May 17, 2021 17:06:55 GMT
I'm confused!
Just watching the news and they are live in a bingo hall. No one is wearing a mask.
I can understand not wearing one in a restaurant when eating but surely sitting playing bingo you should wear one especially as you have to wear one in the theatre. What's the difference?
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Post by steve10086 on May 17, 2021 17:08:04 GMT
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Post by Mark on May 17, 2021 17:21:44 GMT
And he’s completely right. Majority of people in hospital with Indian variant could have had vaccine but didn’t. Why should the rest of us be slowed down out of lockdown because of them? |
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Post by theatreian on May 17, 2021 17:25:36 GMT
Yes I agree. Everyone knows enough now to know it is in everyone's interest to have the vaccine.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 17, 2021 18:27:56 GMT
I sort of hate myself for this but I’m thinking if you’ve been offered a vaccine and you’ve refused it, why should I care if you get poorly? I’m coming down on the conclusion that I only really care if the hospitals get full of no-vax people and you and your avoidable sickness stops someone with an unavoidable sickness getting treated.
Am I a bad person?
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Post by n1david on May 17, 2021 18:57:41 GMT
There are good reasons for people not to be vaccinated, but there are very few, far fewer than the number of people choosing not to be vaccinated now.
It's the same argument as mask-wearing when the pandemic was at its peak in the UK - a few people had good reasons not to wear masks, but there weren't many, and those who hid behind "exempt" just because they wanted to be radical or didn't understand the science made life much more difficult for those who did actually have serious reasons why they couldn't mask up.
I respect the right of people to choose not to be vaccinated. However, if you choose not to be vaccinated without a serious medical exemption backed up by your GP, then commercial establishments, be they hospitality, cultural or retail, should not be obliged to serve you should they choose not to.
We are on the verge of a breakthrough but it's tentative as we haven't got vaccinations to the whole community at the moment and we have a new variant; messing up now could set us back several months and that means an even longer wait for us to get back properly to the things we love.
Short version - I don't think you're a bad person.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 19:27:39 GMT
I think the bad people are those who refuse a vaccine without a genuine medical exemption.
If every entertainment venue, restaurant, airline and hotel had a requirement to prove vaccination or doctor-signed medical exemption certificate then I suspect many of those who have refused so far would be first in the queue to get jabbed.
That should be the rule once the vaccine has been offered to everyone, either that or a negative PCR test at the attendee's own cost, not just a free lateral flow one.
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Post by CG on the loose on May 17, 2021 23:23:29 GMT
The message at the Belgrade Theatre tonight was "keep us open for live performance by wearing a face covering at all times" ... put the onus on the audience, where it belongs. If you're going to go out and about, do so in a way that doesn't put others at risk.
That aside, it was just wonderful to be back in a theatre... there were brief speeches from the theatre's Executive Director, Joanna Reid, and from the show's producer, Richard Lewis, to welcome back the audience. The experience itself... shared laughter, shared applause (rather than feeling mildly ridiculous applauding on your own from your sofa!), bad behaviour (yes, you - in the 5th row, with your mobile phone out every 5 minutes!).
The show was funny, particularly so in the hands of Joe Pasquale and Sarah Earnshaw who work so well together, but I think I'd have been grinning behind my mask even if it had been dire. Just because I was there.
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 17, 2021 23:59:34 GMT
I started rehearsals tonight for the first time in 14 months.
Was great to be with my new cast even in the rain. The joys of outdoor rehearsals...
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Post by christya on May 18, 2021 13:14:36 GMT
I sort of hate myself for this but I’m thinking if you’ve been offered a vaccine and you’ve refused it, why should I care if you get poorly? I’m coming down on the conclusion that I only really care if the hospitals get full of no-vax people and you and your avoidable sickness stops someone with an unavoidable sickness getting treated. Am I a bad person? Definitely agree on this. Some people genuinely cannot be vaccinated, but the people who outright refuse it have nobody but themselves to blame. |
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Post by distantcousin on May 18, 2021 21:31:53 GMT
Well to be fair we aren't all vaccinated yet, so we aren't as safe as we are ever going to be yet. We will be at the end of July. New variants are a cause for concern when there are still large groups of people still not vaccinated and able to get sick and pass it on at higher rates than vaccinated people. You do not need everyone to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity.
Even SAGE said we reached it two weeks ago.
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Post by olliebean on May 18, 2021 22:32:01 GMT
You do not need everyone to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity.
Even SAGE said we reached it two weeks ago.
Was that before or after accounting for the increased transmissibility of the India variant? |
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Post by HereForTheatre on May 19, 2021 7:48:48 GMT
Well to be fair we aren't all vaccinated yet, so we aren't as safe as we are ever going to be yet. We will be at the end of July. New variants are a cause for concern when there are still large groups of people still not vaccinated and able to get sick and pass it on at higher rates than vaccinated people. You do not need everyone to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity.
Even SAGE said we reached it two weeks ago.
We aren't as safe as we possibly can be until everyone who can have a vaccine has had one. That is just a simple fact. Currently most people under the age of 38 (well under 40 since it's only been open to 38 and 39s for a short time) haven't had theirs yet, that is a very large group of people who all could get the virus, pass it on to others in that age group and potentially get sick and die. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 19, 2021 7:53:15 GMT
You do not need everyone to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity.
Even SAGE said we reached it two weeks ago.
Was that before or after accounting for the increased transmissibility of the India variant? Do different variants make any difference to the herd immunity calculation? (As long as vaccine is effective against new strain) |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 19, 2021 7:58:43 GMT
Well to be fair we aren't all vaccinated yet, so we aren't as safe as we are ever going to be yet. We will be at the end of July. New variants are a cause for concern when there are still large groups of people still not vaccinated and able to get sick and pass it on at higher rates than vaccinated people. You do not need everyone to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity.
Even SAGE said we reached it two weeks ago.
Why 'even SAGE'? |
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Post by olliebean on May 19, 2021 8:25:17 GMT
Was that before or after accounting for the increased transmissibility of the India variant? Do different variants make any difference to the herd immunity calculation? (As long as vaccine is effective against new strain) Yes, all other things being equal, the higher the transmissibility, the higher the threshold for herd immunity. The former increases the chance that an infected person will transmit the virus to any given susceptible person they meet; the latter directly mitigates against this, by reducing the chance that any given person will be susceptible to infection. |
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Post by sph on May 19, 2021 12:55:32 GMT
While it's true that not everyone has been offered the vaccine, it's important to remember that the risk of death to those who haven't had it is tiny. The older and more vulnerable have already been offered it. The only ones left, really, are the young and relatively healthy.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2021 13:29:48 GMT
While it's true that not everyone has been offered the vaccine, it's important to remember that the risk of death to those who haven't had it is tiny. The older and more vulnerable have already been offered it. The only ones left, really, are the young and relatively healthy. Not strictly true - none of us know what underlying health conditions or predispositions we may have that we don't yet know about! And in any event that is no excuse for older people behaving with wilful abandon just because they've been vaccinated. The only word for that is selfish. |
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Post by Dawnstar on May 19, 2021 14:57:17 GMT
While it's true that not everyone has been offered the vaccine, it's important to remember that the risk of death to those who haven't had it is tiny. The older and more vulnerable have already been offered it. The only ones left, really, are the young and relatively healthy. Not strictly true - none of us know what underlying health conditions or predispositions we may have that we don't yet know about! It also doesn't take into account that young & healthy people can get long covid & suddenly not be healthy. Some people who had covid last March have still not recovered from it. I for one would not want anything like that. |
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Post by sph on May 19, 2021 16:19:23 GMT
I think those are very rare instances though. Statistically speaking we're in a pretty good place. There will always be "what ifs?" but that's life.
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Post by vickyg on May 19, 2021 18:02:52 GMT
Do different variants make any difference to the herd immunity calculation? (As long as vaccine is effective against new strain) Yes, all other things being equal, the higher the transmissibility, the higher the threshold for herd immunity. The former increases the chance that an infected person will transmit the virus to any given susceptible person they meet; the latter directly mitigates against this, by reducing the chance that any given person will be susceptible to infection. There’s a good episode of The Daily from the New York Times podcast about this from 7th May called ‘why herd immunity is slipping away’. Obviously based on the US but the principles are the same. |
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Post by Dawnstar on May 19, 2021 18:43:39 GMT
I think those are very rare instances though. Statistically speaking we're in a pretty good place. There will always be "what ifs?" but that's life. If you are referring to long covid then media reports seem to estimate numbers are in the hundreds of thousands within the UK. I wouldn't consider that to be "rare". |
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Post by sph on May 19, 2021 18:51:06 GMT
I was referring more to the chances of someone having an underlying condition they don't know about. That to me is like saying that people with heart conditions shouldn't go on rollercoasters therefore no one should go on rollercoasters in case they have a heart condition they don't know about.
Or never trying any new food in case you happen to be allergic and not know it.
Sure there's always a tiny chance you have an underlying condition you don't know about, but it's silly to spend life worrying about things you MIGHT have if you aren't currently experiencing any symptoms.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2021 20:00:03 GMT
I was referring more to the chances of someone having an underlying condition they don't know about. That to me is like saying that people with heart conditions shouldn't go on rollercoasters therefore no one should go on rollercoasters in case they have a heart condition they don't know about. Or never trying any new food in case you happen to be allergic and not know it. Sure there's always a tiny chance you have an underlying condition you don't know about, but it's silly to spend life worrying about things you MIGHT have if you aren't currently experiencing any symptoms. Oh come on, those situations aren't comparable. Those are situations in which you can choose to take a risk. Being exposed to greater risk of catching Covid because people who have had a vaccine can't be bothered to wait a few more weeks until everyone has been offered one is completely different. Many younger people still have to go to work, commute etc. They don't have a choice. |
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Post by sph on May 19, 2021 20:56:05 GMT
Yes, but those younger people are also in the group who are very unlikely to suffer from serious effects or death. At which point it becomes comparable to pretty much any daily risk we take when we leave the house.
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