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Post by partytentdown on May 18, 2020 14:00:42 GMT
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Post by Jon on May 18, 2020 15:28:08 GMT
I can't imagine the Government or anyone letting Shakespeare's Globe to go under.
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Post by partytentdown on May 18, 2020 15:36:22 GMT
I guess the same assumption could be said about all manner of big cultural institutions...but so far no promise of help from the government.
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Post by basdfg on May 18, 2020 15:56:47 GMT
I can't imagine the Government or anyone letting Shakespeare's Globe to go under. The government might if polling showed no political benefit.
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Post by TallPaul on May 18, 2020 16:32:54 GMT
This comes from 'evidence' the Globe gave to the DCMS select committee. I suspect we are going to be hearing and reading a lot of this over the coming weeks and months. Some will be genuine, some not.
If I got a sniff of 'free' money, I'd probably lay it on thick myself. No point being surrounded by actors all day and not learning anything from them!
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Post by partytentdown on May 18, 2020 16:34:28 GMT
I get the sense that the Globe wasn't in great financial straits anyway - I recall they recently closed their exhibition down, and cancelled their capital fundraising project. So I don't think this is a casual money-grabbing attempt...
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 16:41:50 GMT
I think the general point is that, as theatres are likely to be some of the last places to reopen (along with pubs), they would need the financial assistance (furloughing etc) to continue longer than some other workplaces. Same point has already been made by multiple theatres.
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Post by marob on May 18, 2020 16:45:24 GMT
Genuine question, because I don't understand... Why would people expect a Tory Government, particularly this one, to step in and save the Globe, the National, or any other theatre?
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Post by Jon on May 18, 2020 16:50:11 GMT
Genuine question, because I don't understand... Why would people expect a Tory Government, particularly this one, to step in and save the Globe, the National, or any other theatre? Because they contribute to the economy quite significantly.
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 18, 2020 17:28:00 GMT
I’m assuming the Globe sees a profit from the Wanamaker productions.
This could put the Globe in a good position to open with a Wanamaker scale production or one of the Touring ones on the main stage.
Ticket prices may need to rise to Wanamaker prices but there is enough space for social distancing and get a decent crowd at least bigger than the Wanamaker capacity.
As the ushers are volunteers the administration cost would not be excessive.
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Post by marob on May 18, 2020 17:41:15 GMT
Jon But surely something like the retail sector does too and that's been allowed to have lots of high profile shops go under. Maybe I'm just being cynical but, given all the cuts to essential services over the past decade, I can't see free market conservatives giving money to a sector that already is already propped up with money from the Arts Council or sponsorship.
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Post by Jon on May 18, 2020 17:56:57 GMT
Jon But surely something like the retail sector does too and that's been allowed to have lots of high profile shops go under. Maybe I'm just being cynical but, given all the cuts to essential services over the past decade, I can't see free market conservatives giving money to a sector that already is already propped up with money from the Arts Council or sponsorship. The retail sector is not something that can be fixed with a bailout given how consumer habits are changing.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 18:12:12 GMT
If the National is months away from being in trouble, I doubt there’s going to be many who aren’t similarly concerned.
More likely that current theatres that are already state funded would get support first, though.
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Post by ncbears on May 18, 2020 20:45:57 GMT
Well, we made a small donation.
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Post by basdfg on May 19, 2020 10:26:06 GMT
Jon But surely something like the retail sector does too and that's been allowed to have lots of high profile shops go under. Maybe I'm just being cynical but, given all the cuts to essential services over the past decade, I can't see free market conservatives giving money to a sector that already is already propped up with money from the Arts Council or sponsorship. The retail sector is not something that can be fixed with a bailout given how consumer habits are changing. To the near terror of half my family who have virtually no IT skills.
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Post by dlevi on May 19, 2020 13:53:13 GMT
What I love about Shakespeare's Globe ( and it was a surprise to me the first time I went there) was that more than being just a tourist Disneyland destination, the productions that I've seen with few exceptions have been terrific. True they lost their way with the Emma Rice stint and the current artistic leadership isn't as exciting as it should be BUT that doesn't take away from the fact that the experience of seeing a play in that enviornment is truly special. They've been without any government subsidy from the very beginning, I think they've proved their worthiness and I hope this government feels the same.
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Post by lynette on May 19, 2020 16:07:49 GMT
When the project started the Wanamaker team were brilliant at fund raising. They had imaginative ideas and small and larger events. They got some Royal interest - Philip presented the ‘curtains’ and they got wood from the royal estates etc. Royal interest is often reviled but nothing like it to bring in the big money. The naming of the paving, the wall with donors up in the top foyer, everything very well done. Schools very much involved too. This kind of thing brings in smaller money. And they made it feel special if you had donated. I remember that the public imagination needed to be fired up by actually building one section of the theatre, rather than going round in layers, so you could see the pattern of the finished product, very clever planning. If they can find some of this original energy they might do ok. You can’t now just say the government should dole out. Too many hands being held out and let’s face it, health and care charities will always be at the top of your giving list. Rightly so. I would urge the Globe people to begin a very public, nation wide and world wide digital campaign. Use all the resources, all the actors who have performed there, all their archive and rethink how they can involve with small donations to sponsor something and then go for the big guys who wouldn’t mind a wing with their name on it or a season named after them. Ruthless, clever fund raising will enable survival not whinging to the lefty lib media for hand outs.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 16:46:42 GMT
whinging to the lefty lib media You seem to have mis-spelled "giving evidence to the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport select committee"
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Post by lynette on May 19, 2020 21:04:35 GMT
whinging to the lefty lib media You seem to have mis-spelled "giving evidence to the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport select committee" 😂 indeed I have. I hope they do get the dosh.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 21:12:53 GMT
You seem to have mis-spelled "giving evidence to the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport select committee" 😂 indeed I have. I hope they do get the dosh. Actually I think its a lot of the reporting that has given the impression you got. I think the point they are really trying to make is that, as they and other theatres will have to stay closed longer than other businesses, they would need the furlough scheme etc to carry on until they can reopen. There's an interesting paradox that the theatres that are most in danger are the ones that, up to now, have managed without subsidy - such as The Globe - as their funding streams of ticket sales + catering + venue hire for events have dried up. But unlike subsidised theatres, they don't qualify for the Arts Council bailouts that the subsidised sector can access.
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Post by MrBraithwaite on May 20, 2020 5:51:50 GMT
Always liked the idea of the Globe, they do great productions, enjoyed the tour and the exhibition. What I didn't enjoy was seeing an actual performance there, just not for me. Whoever moaned about uncomfortable seating in a West End theatre never experienced the Globe, also took me quite some time to get 'into' the performance without mics and a side view. Will cherish the experience, but do not need to repeat it in a hurry. Still I think the Globe is an important venue for London, London theatre, tourism and all kinds of things and should definitely be saved. I think they have unique opportunities to raise money, as the building alone is such a landmark, just have to mount a great campaign around it. There are a few theatres I think should survive, but you can't donate to everything. So I will wait, to see what they come up with, insterad of moaning about it.
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Post by partytentdown on May 20, 2020 9:46:50 GMT
When the project started the Wanamaker team were brilliant at fund raising. They had imaginative ideas and small and larger events. They got some Royal interest - Philip presented the ‘curtains’ and they got wood from the royal estates etc. Royal interest is often reviled but nothing like it to bring in the big money. The naming of the paving, the wall with donors up in the top foyer, everything very well done. Schools very much involved too. This kind of thing brings in smaller money. And they made it feel special if you had donated. I remember that the public imagination needed to be fired up by actually building one section of the theatre, rather than going round in layers, so you could see the pattern of the finished product, very clever planning. If they can find some of this original energy they might do ok. You can’t now just say the government should dole out. Too many hands being held out and let’s face it, health and care charities will always be at the top of your giving list. Rightly so. I would urge the Globe people to begin a very public, nation wide and world wide digital campaign. Use all the resources, all the actors who have performed there, all their archive and rethink how they can involve with small donations to sponsor something and then go for the big guys who wouldn’t mind a wing with their name on it or a season named after them. Ruthless, clever fund raising will enable survival not whinging to the lefty lib media for hand outs. Philanthropy has changed a great deal since those days. Corporate sponsorship for example, once worth millions to arts organisations, barely exists these days. Organisations have to be much pickier about who they accept donations from - see the recent controversies around BP or the Sackler family for example (the Globe have a Sackler building which presumably they won't be able to renew support for now). I was a supporter of the Globe for a long time and someone in their fundraising team once told me that those early fundraising efforts were actually far too generous and now actually cause a lot of problems - for example they sold personalised paving stones in the courtyard area for £250 a piece with a promise they'd be there forever - after carving a name into them, these hardly raised anything, now whenever any maintenance takes place they have to be replaced at great expense. They were so excited to get ANY money in the early days that people were treated like royalty and given the world. They also guaranteed donor names would appear on a wall in the foyer for a relatively tiny sum and still get complaints when people visit and find out this wall had to be removed during the recent renovations, all for the sake of a few quid donated decades ago. The Globe did spend a vast amount of money on specific projects in recent years - the worldwide Globe to Globe project (performing Hamlet in every country) presumably cost a fortune and even now just a few years later it could be questioned if that was a worthwhile use of funds. And of course a big chunk of support from long-term attendees and supporters was probably lost during the Emma Rice tenure, rightly or wrongly. I find it ironic that some people on Twitter in particular would tirade against Rice's appointment and productions, even getting very personal about it, are now campaigning for the place's survival.
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Post by NorthernAlien on May 20, 2020 22:28:48 GMT
I get the sense that the Globe wasn't in great financial straits anyway - I recall they recently closed their exhibition down, and cancelled their capital fundraising project. So I don't think this is a casual money-grabbing attempt... Having seen all the press coverage, and the subsequent melt-down on my Twitter Feed (I know a fair number of Shax scholars - several of whom are doing, or have done, the MA in Shakespeare Studies, which is co-located at The Globe), I went and had a poke around the Charity Commission website, which is publicly accessible, so I'm not stating here anything confidential. There is of course always something of a lag on these things, so the information I was reading was only Up To Date at October 2018, but it was a revealing read: They are indeed on shaky ground - expenditure almost matches income, and by their own reporting, whilst they aimed to have 3 to 6 months of reserves to meet running costs, they only had/have 1.5 months worth, but felt that, if something drastic happened, that they could reallocate some of the reserves they were holding onto for various capital projects (which appeared to include a significant amount for maintenance of the buildings), and use those 'released monies' to fund another 1.5 month's worth of running costs. Now all of this of course comes with the caveat that you can make accounts say almost anything you want, but Michelle Terry has been quoted in various media as saying that they run 'hand to mouth', which appears to be borne out by the reported figures. If you want to read the accounts, here is the link: apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends16/0000266916_AC_20181031_E_C.pdf(hopefully that works) I've been on a Zoom Call today that discussed the fact that if the theatres were re-opened tomorrow, that it would actually take a few weeks to be able to re-open to audiences, and that, for Commercial Theatres, the costs of mounting any show - even bringing back something that was running, would probably be at least 50% of the Capitalisation. If you consider that for a WE Musical, we are talking £Millions, and also think that The Globe does runs in rep of several shows, that £5million they're talking about needing rapidly starts to look quite conservative. And I haven't even thrown in the difficulties of Social Distancing in a theatre - which no-one, as yet, seems to have an answer to that would be palatable to a UK audience, or the Commercial Producers (temperature testing and/or use of masks is one thing - sitting apart from each other makes the entire business model nonviable pretty much instantly). Oh - and as a final kicker, whilst Emma Rice might have been a controversial appointment, she does appear to have brought in the cash - as evidenced by the 'this year/last year' financial figures and narrative in the Accounts...
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Post by partytentdown on May 21, 2020 7:11:28 GMT
I get the sense that the Globe wasn't in great financial straits anyway - I recall they recently closed their exhibition down, and cancelled their capital fundraising project. So I don't think this is a casual money-grabbing attempt... Having seen all the press coverage, and the subsequent melt-down on my Twitter Feed (I know a fair number of Shax scholars - several of whom are doing, or have done, the MA in Shakespeare Studies, which is co-located at The Globe), I went and had a poke around the Charity Commission website, which is publicly accessible, so I'm not stating here anything confidential. There is of course always something of a lag on these things, so the information I was reading was only Up To Date at October 2018, but it was a revealing read: They are indeed on shaky ground - expenditure almost matches income, and by their own reporting, whilst they aimed to have 3 to 6 months of reserves to meet running costs, they only had/have 1.5 months worth, but felt that, if something drastic happened, that they could reallocate some of the reserves they were holding onto for various capital projects (which appeared to include a significant amount for maintenance of the buildings), and use those 'released monies' to fund another 1.5 month's worth of running costs. Now all of this of course comes with the caveat that you can make accounts say almost anything you want, but Michelle Terry has been quoted in various media as saying that they run 'hand to mouth', which appears to be borne out by the reported figures. If you want to read the accounts, here is the link: apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends16/0000266916_AC_20181031_E_C.pdf(hopefully that works) I've been on a Zoom Call today that discussed the fact that if the theatres were re-opened tomorrow, that it would actually take a few weeks to be able to re-open to audiences, and that, for Commercial Theatres, the costs of mounting any show - even bringing back something that was running, would probably be at least 50% of the Capitalisation. If you consider that for a WE Musical, we are talking £Millions, and also think that The Globe does runs in rep of several shows, that £5million they're talking about needing rapidly starts to look quite conservative. And I haven't even thrown in the difficulties of Social Distancing in a theatre - which no-one, as yet, seems to have an answer to that would be palatable to a UK audience, or the Commercial Producers (temperature testing and/or use of masks is one thing - sitting apart from each other makes the entire business model nonviable pretty much instantly). Oh - and as a final kicker, whilst Emma Rice might have been a controversial appointment, she does appear to have brought in the cash - as evidenced by the 'this year/last year' financial figures and narrative in the Accounts... Thanks for this analysis. It would be interesting to see how this has changed under the various leaders. Is the 2019 annual report on this page any more up to date with figures? www.shakespearesglobe.com/discover/about-us/
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 21, 2020 7:27:29 GMT
whinging to the lefty lib media You seem to have mis-spelled "giving evidence to the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport select committee" What is this lefty lib media you describe? I have a distant memory recall if I delve far enough into the dark corners of my brain, sure we did have a left wing media at some stage. But these days I don't know if it is my mind playing tricks on me
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