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Post by Latecomer on May 13, 2020 18:15:30 GMT
This was splendid wasn’t it. Each episode I didn’t believe when it was over .....it was so slow but beautiful and I loved the changing dynamic. Perfect end as well....they are both finally happier people and, although they could have stayed together, it was ok for them to be apart, as finally they each sort of liked who they had become! I always say to people that you cannot be happy in a relationship unless you are happy with yourself. I mean, obviously you can be happier with someone that without but you can still be lonely and unhappy with a partner....they aren’t going to magically solve stuff. I am sad that I have finished watching it and there is no more....
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Post by david on May 13, 2020 22:07:56 GMT
After reading really positive online reviews about the series, I downloaded the series and ended up binge watching it over the Bank holiday weekend. A really good watch with 2 fantastic performances from Paul Mescal and Daisy Edgar-Jones.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 7:08:04 GMT
I think I must be the only person in the world who didn't like this - gave it a few episodes but couldn't get into it at all.
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Post by nick on May 14, 2020 9:22:09 GMT
I think I must be the only person in the world who didn't like this - gave it a few episodes but couldn't get into it at all. I struggled with episode 1 but will give episode 2 a go. On paper it was just up my street and I could admire the talent involved but it didn't gel. Reminded me of 80s TV dramas that I enjoyed at the time but things have moved on.
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Post by partytentdown on May 14, 2020 9:34:52 GMT
I found this unusual in that I didn't like it at first (partly cos I always have problems believing adults playing people at school and suchlike) then grew to adore it and felt very sad to be leaving that 'world' behind at the end of the series. Stick with it as there is some excellent acting in later episodes as well as some beautiful scenery and great soundtrack moments!
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Post by londonpostie on May 14, 2020 11:12:10 GMT
I think if I was somewhere between 15 and say 19, it would be the most helpful instruction manual in the history of the world. It would have been a blessing to me.
As an older person who has the luxury of both hindsight and the choice to critique it as art, it felt the most complete exploration of life at that age I'm aware of. Found it adorable and irresistible to watch, and that Rooney was magnificent in how she moved us through the relationships shifting tides and currents.
There is talk - involving even Sally Rooney - of a '10 years later' second novel, though after the screen dramatisation of Conversations with Friends. So years off, but there is hope.
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Post by Latecomer on May 14, 2020 13:12:15 GMT
That feeling that you “don’t belong” while in a crowd at school and then hoping you will at University...only to find that the same (but different) problem sort of follows you. And the heartbreak when he realises he can’t really go back to his old life either.....I thought the bit where he arrives on campus and looking round was amazing....just like I felt! I also liked that they ended up not really being “cool” but being fine with that!
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Post by tmesis on May 14, 2020 14:28:52 GMT
I really loved this but find it hard to explain why.
For me the only drama that comes close to 'This Life' from the 90s for involvement with the characters.
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Post by theatremadness on May 14, 2020 21:44:15 GMT
Thought it was good! Acting was very good indeed, and gorgeously filmed. Just not gushing over it in a “this is the best thing there's ever been” way as so many have done online. I've enjoyed other things far more recently, but not to put this down. Still very well done.
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Post by londonpostie on May 15, 2020 13:55:36 GMT
I was moving this around in my head earlier and one thing that interested me was swapping the two gender roles; so he is from the affluent middle-class and she from a struggling lone parent home, and her mother exploited by the parent of the boy.
Is it me or does that become a Victorian-era novel very quickly ..
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Post by AddisonMizner on May 15, 2020 22:22:15 GMT
I adored the book on which this was based, and became obsessed with it very quickly. I loved spending time with the two main characters, and had a very strong emotional connection to them and the story, reading quite a lot of it through tears. I am still not entirely sure why this was the case (as someone else said above), but it must have hit on something within my subconscious. It is certainly not my usual thing. It is essentially a romance, and has quite a lot of sex (which I can be quite prudish about), but this is very much integral to the story in this. I read it very quickly, but did not want it to end. I have just got Rooney’s first novel, CONVERSATIONS WITH FRIENDS, and am looking forward to diving into that.
I loved this TV adaptation of NORMAL PEOPLE just as much. Very quiet, but beautifully acted and gorgeous to look at. Whilst nothing much really happens, it did not feel slow at all. The last 5 minutes of the series is perhaps some of the most moving pieces of film I have seen in recent memory. It absolutely shattered me, and I was in floods of tears. Again, not entirely sure why.
I did not know about the talk of a sequel. There have been a lot of questions about a second series being floated around for the TV series, with many of the creatives seeming interested in the idea, but I had not heard about Rooney considering writing another book. I do not know how I would feel about this. Whilst I would love to read something else with these two characters, I feel that the story ended perfectly and anything else would perhaps spoil that.
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Post by theatreian on May 22, 2020 13:32:14 GMT
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Post by intoanewlife on May 22, 2020 16:34:45 GMT
It was beautifully made and superbly acted. Though I don't think I could say I enjoyed it, I definitely appreciated it. I was moved to tears on a number of occasions throughout.
Paul Mescal is certainly one to watch, hopefully he has a big future ahead of him.
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Post by londonpostie on May 22, 2020 20:08:49 GMT
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Post by londonpostie on Jun 2, 2020 12:10:16 GMT
So @forrest , final episode last night; did you hold it together or floods of tears for you?
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Post by danb on Jun 2, 2020 12:28:51 GMT
I can’t really define how or why I loved it. Maybe because I found the central performances to be flawless; possibly because they didn’t feel like performances. I loved that it wasn’t driven by plot; stuff just happened. Mostly I just fell a little bit in love with both of them and now I’m sad that they are gone.
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Post by theatreian on Jun 2, 2020 12:55:57 GMT
now I’m sad that they are gone. Have to agree. It's hard to pinpoint, but the central performances really drew you in and you were really invested in their lives. Here's hoping for series 2.
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Post by danb on Jun 2, 2020 13:08:32 GMT
now I’m sad that they are gone. Have to agree. It's hard to pinpoint, but the central performances really drew you in and you were really invested in their lives. Here's hoping for series 2. I’m in two minds. It was so perfect and contained that the chances of lightning striking twice are very slim. The fact that it’s over a month since I watched it and I’m still thinking about it tells me how good it was.
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Post by Forrest on Jun 4, 2020 19:57:37 GMT
So @forrest , final episode last night; did you hold it together or floods of tears for you? Sorry for missing this, it's so sweet of you to ask! :) I would love to say that I was a brave soldier, but... [I'd obviously be lying.] I wish someone had made this series when I was half my current age: so that I could have fallen in love with it - and with the two of them them - unconditionally. Years between then and now have made me a bit older, grumpier and more disenchanted with the way some things work, although - if I am being quite honest - I probably still have my head in the clouds way more than I should. Also, I wish more shows when I was my much younger self made the effort to get across the point that not staying together isn't the end of the world. It is so refreshing to see that on screen somehow. Having said that, perhaps Normal People and I did meet at the right moment, after all: for it to restore my faith in a bit of magic? My favourite episodes were last week’s, though (9&10): his struggle with depression, her aloneness in Sweden. The idea of them caring so much for each other, despite the physical distance. That scene of sleeping with the laptop open, for safety. My favourite thing about the series are the moments when things are left unsaid, its honesty about how hard it is to say what should be said sometimes, and about the consequences of those choices. I have the feeling I will binge-watch it all again over the weekend. I expected it to be lovely, due to all the praise, but in the end thought it was absolutely beautiful. (I hope they don't do another season, though. I thing everything that should have been said has been said in these 12 episodes.)
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Post by londonpostie on Jun 4, 2020 21:00:50 GMT
Glad it lived to your hopes.
Yes, it's the best instruction manual for teenagers I can imagine. I was also in pieces at the watchful skype scene. What a genius device. And what a gift to come in the time of lockdown isolation! For people of all ages it will be bitter-sweet, I think. We all have memories of that age and struggling. It was pitch perfect for me. I heard a review in which one of the speakers was a BBC newsreader who had read the book and binged the BBC version, but then felt a compulsion to share and watch it with her 15-yo daughter. The only difference was mum was too embarrassed to watch the sex scenes with her daughter and so left the room for those. That was also lovely
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Post by crowblack on Jun 5, 2020 11:23:55 GMT
Yes, it's the best instruction manual for teenagers I can imagine. That's what worries me about it tbh. I thought the performances were excellent and the production values superb, but I'm dismayed that so many recent smash-hit series/books have female protagonists who are passive, gamine wet lettuces desperately needing a man to rescue them/validate their existence, or submitting to emotional and physical abuse in a glossy aspirational setting. Here, we have a female lead, supposedly super smart, who submits to abuse while looking incredibly chic in an Italian villa used in adverts and movies, and then photogenically tied up and prettily weeping 50 Shades style at the hands of a scandinavian photographer (seriously, if you asked teenagers what is the coolest job, photographer is one that's always been right up there.). And I think the production romanticises this, with its honeyed summer light and gorgeously dressed houses and characters: I've seen adult women on my Twitter feed desperate to emulate her hairstyle and whooping with joy at finding her exact hoop earrings. Apparently the book describes her as "luminously thin" too, with the sort of fetishistic language some readers have said feels like something from a Victorian novel (the 19thc novel loves suffering, pretty women) - lucky it's the sort of eating disorder that makes her look like someone from a 50s French film/Audrey Hepburn and not James Corden, eh?
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Post by Latecomer on Jun 5, 2020 11:32:03 GMT
Yes, it's the best instruction manual for teenagers I can imagine. That's what worries me about it tbh. I thought the performances were excellent and the production values superb, but I'm dismayed that so many recent smash-hit series/books have female protagonists who are passive, gamine wet lettuces desperately needing a man to rescue them/validate their existence, or submitting to emotional and physical abuse in a glossy aspirational setting. Here, we have a female lead, supposedly super smart, who submits to abuse while looking incredibly chic in an Italian villa used in adverts and movies, and then photogenically tied up and prettily weeping 50 Shades style at the hands of a scandinavian photographer (seriously, if you asked teenagers what is the coolest job, photographer is one that's always been right up there.). And I think the production romanticises this, with its honeyed summer light and gorgeously dressed houses and characters: I've seen adult women on my Twitter feed desperate to emulate her hairstyle and whooping with joy at finding her exact hoop earrings. Apparently the book describes her as "luminously thin" too, with the sort of fetishistic language some readers have said feels like something from a Victorian novel (the 19thc novel loves suffering, pretty women) - lucky it's the sort of eating disorder that makes her look like someone from a 50s French film/Audrey Hepburn and not James Corden, eh? Did you watch to the end? Did you see where she ended up? Did you see perhaps why she subjected herself to abusive relationships? I thought that was the whole point. It didn’t glamorise it... I enjoyed the portrayal of first sex as well...he asked, she asked for a condom, there wasn’t the usual grappling with clothes, they just stripped off. He checked all was ok mid sex....it was refreshing.
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Post by crowblack on Jun 5, 2020 12:27:58 GMT
Did you watch to the end? Did you see where she ended up? Did you see perhaps why she subjected herself to abusive relationships? I thought that was the whole point. It didn’t glamorise it... I enjoyed the portrayal of first sex as well...he asked, she asked for a condom, there wasn’t the usual grappling with clothes, they just stripped off. He checked all was ok mid sex....it was refreshing. Yes, all 6 hours of it. Apparently in the book her father is specified as abusive, but here it's left vague, a brief hint early on that was then contradicted by her apparently nostalgic preciousness over her father's glassware in the Call Me By Your Name episode (It's a small town, her Mum is actually the cleaner in her house every day, he has gone to school with her presumably for years - surely he'd know more than he does?) . And yes, I noted than Connell was laudably careful about ensuring her consent in the early episodes, and refreshingly upset that she wanted him to take her roughly from behind later on, but that doesn't make me feel any more happy about the way she was portrayed and the way audiences seem to think her doe-eyed helplessness is romantic. They are criticising Connell for not being her 'white knight' when his friends insult her or boyfriends bully her, rather than being angry that she - supposedly the smartest girl at school and college - doesn't stand up for herself and actively seeks out horrible men who hurt her. There's a short Twitter film made by an Irish performer skitting it - where she's asking him about wanting a cup of tea - that really summed up the series for me. This is a character submitting herself to extreme abuse from men and it just wasn't explored enough why. Do young people in this post Twilight, 50 Shades, Fleabag world not see this as extreme any more? The semi-autobiographical series Patrick Melrose explored the rich, bright, self-destructive character with so much more depth and understanding.
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Post by barrowside on Jun 5, 2020 14:39:01 GMT
I really hope they leave well enough alone and don't do a second series. It's been a stunning piece of work where they got every detail right. It has been wonderful to see in Ireland as we are lucky enough to get to see most of the cast regularly in theatre. What is wonderful is that Irish stage actors get to film so much now that they have developed a really subtle acting style for film without diluting the rich depth they bring to their characters in theatre. I thought Aislín McGuckin and Sarah Greene were hugely impressive in that they built such rich characters where we could see their backstory and inner thoughts with minimal lines and screen time.
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Post by Latecomer on Jun 5, 2020 15:30:30 GMT
Did you watch to the end? Did you see where she ended up? Did you see perhaps why she subjected herself to abusive relationships? I thought that was the whole point. It didn’t glamorise it... I enjoyed the portrayal of first sex as well...he asked, she asked for a condom, there wasn’t the usual grappling with clothes, they just stripped off. He checked all was ok mid sex....it was refreshing. Yes, all 6 hours of it. Apparently in the book her father is specified as abusive, but here it's left vague, a brief hint early on that was then contradicted by her apparently nostalgic preciousness over her father's glassware in the Call Me By Your Name episode (It's a small town, her Mum is actually the cleaner in her house every day, he has gone to school with her presumably for years - surely he'd know more than he does?) . And yes, I noted than Connell was laudably careful about ensuring her consent in the early episodes, and refreshingly upset that she wanted him to take her roughly from behind later on, but that doesn't make me feel any more happy about the way she was portrayed and the way audiences seem to think her doe-eyed helplessness is romantic. They are criticising Connell for not being her 'white knight' when his friends insult her or boyfriends bully her, rather than being angry that she - supposedly the smartest girl at school and college - doesn't stand up for herself and actively seeks out horrible men who hurt her. There's a short Twitter film made by an Irish performer skitting it - where she's asking him about wanting a cup of tea - that really summed up the series for me. This is a character submitting herself to extreme abuse from men and it just wasn't explored enough why. Do young people in this post Twilight, 50 Shades, Fleabag world not see this as extreme any more? The semi-autobiographical series Patrick Melrose explored the rich, bright, self-destructive character with so much more depth and understanding. We will have to agree to disagree...I thought they showed quite clearly why she felt like she did and thought the ending was hopeful and optimistic and showed a couple who, despite their backgrounds had managed to find self worth and respect.
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