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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 10:27:08 GMT
Found myself sitting in amongst a sea of people standing again last night, this time for School Of Rock. It now seems that a standing ovation is becoming the norm, even for the most mediocre of shows.
I get that people have spent a small fortune on tickets, programmes, drinks, a meal beforehand, not to mention the travel costs, so they want to feel that they've had the most wonderful evening out. So they stand, to convince themselves of just how wonderful it's been.
But this was not the most wonderful of shows... far from it. Great songs? Hardly. (Two "tunes", in fact.) Great production? No. (Clunky, repetitive, dull.) Great performances? No. Not really. (Some of the kids were okay, but Matilda this wasn't.) Great story? I don't think so. Great humour? Everything fell flat. Little audience reaction throughout the evening. Great message? Erm...
So we sat there, knowing that we were surrounded by people thinking, "Look at this miserable pair! Some people are just so hard to please!" (We're not.)
Should I stand, just to please everyone else, I ask myself?
No. Sometimes you just have to sit down for what you believe in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 10:59:22 GMT
I feel a standing ovation is justified when you personally feel that you want to show the performers/creatives your appreciation for a job well done. I must admit that 99% of the time the audience does so out of obligation. I however, will not hesitate in sitting firm if I've hated the show. Evita and the recent Sister Act tour as two examples.
For me, it definitely has to be earned.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 11:09:27 GMT
I was quite happily the only one left sitting when I saw Murder Ballad a couple of months back. Paper thin plot, one song repeated about 30 times, and acting that varied from poor through to "probably would have been exceptional had they not been working with such s**t".
Always stick to your own principles with regards to standing ovations. I probably give one at about one in four shows I see, which I think is just about on the right side of excessive. Musicals seems to inspire them more than plays, although I would have stood five times over at Great Britain in 2014, the best play I've ever seen.
My mum is even stingier, I must have seen a good 40-50 shows with her since we started making theatre what we do when we get together, and frequently she's left me standing alone at a curtain call, so when she stood at Showstopper: The Improvised Musical in 2015 I almost cried. We've since seen Showstopper together a few more times, and she's stood at about half of their shows, but never at a performance of anything else.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 15, 2017 11:14:17 GMT
Don't despair @caiaphas there was no full ovation at the matinee, some did but most didn't. No ovation st PromisesPromises last night either so not obligatory after all!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 15, 2017 11:16:41 GMT
(Yet!)
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jan 15, 2017 11:19:19 GMT
All this really comes across like is that because you didn't enjoy a show personally it didn't deserve a standing ovation or appreciation from anyone else....
I gave SOR a standing ovation because i enjoyed the show and thought some of the performances were great and the kids were very talented. I'm not sure that if i was the only one i'd come on here talking about everyone else not feeling compelled to....
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Post by danielwhit on Jan 15, 2017 11:28:00 GMT
I have a fairly simple logic over whether to stand or not. It depends on the answer to "did I believe it was excellent or move me more than with a desire to go to the loo?". In practice, this means I end up standing about 10% of the time - and will happily stay down even if everyone else around me is up.
Half the time standing ovations are caused by a few friends being very enthusiastic, followed by those behind them needing to stand to be able to see what is going on still.
Musicals also tend to get them a lot more than straight plays, from my experience.
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Post by theatremadness on Jan 15, 2017 11:28:03 GMT
I don't particularly think they're becoming subconsciously obligatory but yes, they do happen a lot. We're now starting to give them *during* a show!! I'll happily admit, I'm easily pleased and it doesn't take much to get me on my feet, but I'm having a great time so why not? But what you may see as a mediocre show, others may love. So with your show in question, caiaphas, you can't speak for everyone and it slightly sounds as if you're annoyed that no one seemed to agree with you. I've sat with/performed for muted audiences who've suddenly leapt to their feet at the end. I don't think you can sit there and wonder "why are all these people standing, this is a terrible show" when it's quite obvious the people around you don't agree, whether you think it's obligatory or not. I think you just have to make your feelings known by doing what you did and accept that maybe it wasn't the show for you! I adored SoR & can't wait to return, and for me, the performances of Gary Trainor and the talent & skill of the kids I saw earned a standing ovation alone in my opinion alone.
But if it does bother you that much, don't stand if you don't want and be firm about! I went to Carrie with a load of friends at Southwark and I hated it. And I think I was the only one out of not only my friends but most of the audience too that didn't stand at the end. And in an intimate space I actually got a little self conscious! But I couldn't do it. I absolutely bloody hated it - doesn't mean everyone else was wrong for loving it, though.
I've also found that plays don't seem to get the instant standing ovations that musicals do. Nothing for The Entertainer (though again that was dire) which made me wish I'd stood for Amadeus which I saw the month before which I thought was outstanding, but no one was else really standing, so actually that time I didn't stand my ground (as it were) for fear of being the odd one out!!
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Post by d'James on Jan 15, 2017 12:39:56 GMT
I often find myself thinking things don't need standing ovations but when other people in front of me, I also stand up just because I don't want to miss anything on stage.
(I know, I'm weak and it makes them feel the show is better than it is.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 12:45:10 GMT
I stand when I think it's deserving. Sometimes I'm sitting whilst everyone else is standing but likewise sometimes I'm standing whilst everyone else is sitting.
But it really is a great feeling when a show is so great that the audience rises to their feet in unison as soon as the curtain call starts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 13:20:05 GMT
I often find myself thinking things don't need standing ovations but when other people in front of me, I also stand up just because I don't want to miss anything on stage. (I know, I'm weak and it makes them feel the show is better than it is.) I'm the same - I wouldn't have stood for the whole cast at the Bodyguard a couple of weeks ago (I was going to stand for Rachel and Beverley though as I thought they were the only good points about it and were wonderful!), but everyone else stood up and I'm really short so couldn't see! On the other hand there are times when I jump to my feet as soon as the ensemble come on to take their bow if a show is that good.
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Post by sondheimhats on Jan 15, 2017 13:41:40 GMT
Anyone else notice that all the shows mentioned in this thread are musicals? Something about the culture surrounding musicals and the audiences who attend them, I think. I'm not sure what exactly the reason is, but I definitely notice a difference between plays and musicals in terms of how frequently people stand. In recent months, I saw standing ovations at several musicals, but very few plays (and I see way more plays than I do musicals)
It's interesting to see a thread about this issue in London, because in NYC the S.O's are far more obligatory and meaningless. I guess that's starting to become the case with West End musicals, but again, I don't think it's the case with plays here. I've seen something like 60 plays in the last several months since arriving in London, and out of those 60, I can only recall seeing S.O's at 5 of them: 1. Cursed Child, 2. Yerma (for Billie Piper), 3. King Lear (for Glenda), 4. Donmar Trilogy (after The Tempest on their first full trilogy day), and 5. The Kite Runner. I feel like all 5 performances really deserved the S.O. I was actually very excited about the standing ovation at The Kite Runner, because it really felt like it meant something special, after such a moving story.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jan 15, 2017 14:11:42 GMT
sondheimhats I was thinking the same! It's not really the norm for plays. I remember some people standing at Amadeus, Les Blancs, King Lear (Old Vic), Streetcar (Youngvic) and People, Places and Things, but it was more about the leads than the show and it was far from being a standing ovation. Who knows, different audience, different ideas?
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Post by loureviews on Jan 15, 2017 14:22:02 GMT
If I'm near the front and feel it is not quite SO standard I will clap with hands slightly higher than usual, which feels like a halfway compromise.
Some musicals are sneaky. Sunny Afternoon going from a 'let's all get up and dance' rendition of Lola into bows felt an obvious tactic to get an SO the show didn't really deserve.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 15, 2017 14:33:40 GMT
I loved School of Rock but didn't give it a standing ovation.
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Post by mallardo on Jan 15, 2017 14:47:14 GMT
This is such a recurring topic here, why? If you don't want to stand, don't. If you're forced to stand in order to see then so what? You're going to be standing in a few moments anyway. It seems like some people simply resent other people being happy and excited.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 14:51:14 GMT
I cannot tell a lie, I am an easily amused human being, I don't need much to enjoy a show, and usually, for me, I am up voluntarily. That is not to say I have stood at every show, some shows didn't feel right to do it or I just didn't feel like I wanted to stand for it, it didn't evoke that response from me. Usually though, I don't stand until the cast member who truly desrves it enters. Sometimes it is from the Ensemble though. So for Mrs. Henderson, I didn't stand until Emma bowed. But then, with Dreamgirls, from the moment the "Dreamgirls" (Reprise) ended, the entire audience, myself included, were on their feet and that way through the bows. But that was a show that, in my opinion, truly deserved it!
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Post by mrtumnus on Jan 15, 2017 14:56:40 GMT
The standing ovation is scripted into so many musicals (and probably all juke box ones) in an attempt to make the punters forget the mediocrity that existed for the previous two hours and send folk out happy after an energetic last 5 minutes.
If the cast can encourage or force the front rows up, using eye contact, exaggerated clapping, pleading, coming down among us, then the folk further back have to stand if they wish to see the stage. And the production has the "standing ovation" publicity headline.
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Post by Jon on Jan 15, 2017 14:59:58 GMT
I do think the audience for plays is usually more reserved compared to musicals and for some shows, a standing ovation is Unnecessary.!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 15:02:39 GMT
I don't mean to put the cat amoungst the pigeons, but what is the big issue. Most audiences stand, who cares? So you have to stand for two minutes whilst they bow, whats the big issue? As said above, you're gonna stand in a couple of minutes anyway to leave, take the oppertunity to put your coat on or grab your bag if its a problem. Let people enjoy themselves if they want too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 15:05:22 GMT
After 2 hours in some theatre's seats, frankly I'm glad of an excuse to give my rear end a break
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 15:09:22 GMT
After 2 hours in some theatre's seats, frankly I'm glad of an excuse to give my rear end a break See, I like her, can we keep this one around please!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 15:22:51 GMT
Saw "Wish List" at the Royal Court yesterday, good play about zero hours contracts and battling with the benefits system. Sporadic standing ovation, but one woman in particular was hilariously over the top - hands in the air applauding, saying out loud "Amazing!" "Fabulous!" "Thank you!!!!" to the cast - this in a very small space so she was within two feet of them.
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Post by d'James on Jan 15, 2017 15:28:39 GMT
Saw "Wish List" at the Royal Court yesterday, good play about zero hours contracts and battling with the benefits system. Sporadic standing ovation, but one woman in particular was hilariously over the top - hands in the air applauding, saying out loud "Amazing!" "Fabulous!" "Thank you!!!!" to the cast - this in a very small space so she was within two feet of them. That's an interesting point, I do wonder if certain people do it to get attention themselves from the actors and the rest of the audience rather than showing genuine appreciation. There are plenty of people more extrovert than me and that's fine but don't try and outdo others just for the sake of it.
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Post by Jon on Jan 15, 2017 15:31:00 GMT
I think the only times I've stood up to clap for a play apart from Cursed Child was The Pride and A Streetcar named Desire.
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