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Post by eulenspiegel on Jan 11, 2023 9:06:56 GMT
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Post by kathryn on Jan 11, 2023 9:27:18 GMT
Only beaten by a book about another Harry? Yup. For context, pre-release comment from the editor of The Bookseller (industry magazine) was that 50k copies sold this week would make it No1 on the book chart. |
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jan 11, 2023 14:53:29 GMT
Well Harry just described Jason Knauf as "a particularly close friend" of Dan Wootton -- where's the poster who insisted that just because they were in the same class all through university it didn't mean they'd "gone to university together" or knew each other? /s
The main thing I'm getting from all this book and TV interview stuff is that after several years of Meghan being blamed for absolutely everything, and Harry being cast as a helpless child with no free will, it's becoming increasingly clear that Harry's the hot-headed, entitled one who explodes, and Meghan was the one who tried to obey the rules and be placatory.
It seems fairly obvious at this point that Harry was the one leading the decision to leave (which he's talked about wanting to do for many years), and Harry's anger at things going back decades that's inciting all of these disclosures.
Yet the press (as other journalists have pointed out, led by one of Camilla's best friends!) are still firmly blaming Meghan! Why can't they accept that isn't Meghan somehow "brainwashing" Harry, Harry genuinely is that angry and traumatised. Even if Harry and Meghan did get divorced, it wouldn't magically make Harry not feel angry, and it wouldn't make him want to reconcile.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 11, 2023 17:11:38 GMT
Well Harry just described Jason Knauf as "a particularly close friend" of Dan Wootton -- where's the poster who insisted that just because they were in the same class all through university it didn't mean they'd "gone to university together" or knew each other? /s The main thing I'm getting from all this book and TV interview stuff is that after several years of Meghan being blamed for absolutely everything, and Harry being cast as a helpless child with no free will, it's becoming increasingly clear that Harry's the hot-headed, entitled one who explodes, and Meghan was the one who tried to obey the rules and be placatory. It seems fairly obvious at this point that Harry was the one leading the decision to leave (which he's talked about wanting to do for many years), and Harry's anger at things going back decades that's inciting all of these disclosures. Yet the press (as other journalists have pointed out, led by one of Camilla's best friends!) are still firmly blaming Meghan! Why can't they accept that isn't Meghan somehow "brainwashing" Harry, Harry genuinely is that angry and traumatised. Even if Harry and Meghan did get divorced, it wouldn't magically make Harry not feel angry, and it wouldn't make him want to reconcile. I don't think he's 'angry' at all, he sounds completely at peace with it all to me. Basically he is someone whose life was a complete sh*tshow and instead of continuing on the same awful path he did something about it and got some therapy which helped him heal properly and deal with it all. Good on him I say. Maybe some of the Bitter Betty's of this world should give it a try x |
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Post by sfsusan on Jan 11, 2023 20:43:22 GMT
Yet the press (as other journalists have pointed out, led by one of Camilla's best friends!) are still firmly blaming Meghan! Why can't they accept that isn't Meghan somehow "brainwashing" Harry, Harry genuinely is that angry and traumatised. This reminds me of the rumors around Mrs. Simpson... she was blamed for 'forcing' Edward VIII to abdicate when apparently the last thing she wanted was to be saddled for life with this overly-devoted man-boy and he had never really looked forward to the responsibilities of the crown. Come to think of it, this is all very "Yoko broke up the Beatles" when that narrative wasn't correct, either. |
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Post by sukhavati on Jan 12, 2023 3:29:08 GMT
Yet the press (as other journalists have pointed out, led by one of Camilla's best friends!) are still firmly blaming Meghan! Why can't they accept that isn't Meghan somehow "brainwashing" Harry, Harry genuinely is that angry and traumatised. This reminds me of the rumors around Mrs. Simpson... she was blamed for 'forcing' Edward VIII to abdicate when apparently the last thing she wanted was to be saddled for life with this overly-devoted man-boy and he had never really looked forward to the responsibilities of the crown. Come to think of it, this is all very "Yoko broke up the Beatles" when that narrative wasn't correct, either. La plus ça change, la plus ça mème. The old saying, behind every great man is a woman gets turned on it's head. We get the praise for being nurturing and supportive, allowing the great man to do what he needs to do, but then we also get blamed when the man does something that contravenes the status quo. It's an old misogynistic blame game. Even if, as susan pointed out, it's not the truth.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 12, 2023 16:01:13 GMT
]The main thing I'm getting from all this book and TV interview stuff is that after several years of Meghan being blamed for absolutely everything, and Harry being cast as a helpless child with no free will, it's becoming increasingly clear that Harry's the hot-headed, entitled one who explodes, and Meghan was the one who tried to obey the rules and be placatory.. That was noticeable in the Oprah interview as well - Harry was way harsher on his family than Meghan was. Meghan, like a lot of actors, is a people-pleaser. She wants people to like her. She craves the affection of her audience. Harry is firmly in No f***s Given land. |
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 12, 2023 16:38:04 GMT
Well I got it free on an Audible trial and listened to the first 30 chapters before bed last night..
The writing style is...a choice...and probably made worse by listening to it instead of reading it.
I do hope the CONSTANT (to the point of almost parody) mentions of 'Mummy' will cease at some point.
It is incredibly boring, but I am only up to the Eton years so hopefully once he starts having sex and doing drugs it'll pep up a bit lol
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 12, 2023 16:47:13 GMT
]The main thing I'm getting from all this book and TV interview stuff is that after several years of Meghan being blamed for absolutely everything, and Harry being cast as a helpless child with no free will, it's becoming increasingly clear that Harry's the hot-headed, entitled one who explodes, and Meghan was the one who tried to obey the rules and be placatory.. That was noticeable in the Oprah interview as well - Harry was way harsher on his family than Meghan was. Meghan, like a lot of actors, is a people-pleaser. She wants people to like her. She craves the affection of her audience. Harry is firmly in No f***s Given land. It is a common trait of someone who has been through a lot of therapy and gained the wisdom and benefits it carries to want to tell everyone about all the discoveries they've made once they've healed. This is why I don't think he is doing any of this to cause upset to his family. As they say 'the truth will set you free' and I think he is honestly doing all this because he wants them to starting fighting back instead of being willing participants in something that makes their lives a living hell. I think Meghan is actually far too intelligent to take part in most of it as she knows that'll only throw her right back in the firing line and she doesn't have the personality to be able to sell it the way Harry does. This all weirdly reminds of the George Michael toilet scandal, where everyone expected him to disappear in a cloud of shame, but instead he was totally honest about everything and it won him a lot of respect and reignited his career. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 12, 2023 18:56:19 GMT
Well I got it free on an Audible trial and listened to the first 30 chapters before bed last night.. The writing style is...a choice...and probably made worse by listening to it instead of reading it. I do hope the CONSTANT (to the point of almost parody) mentions of 'Mummy' will cease at some point. It is incredibly boring, but I am only up to the Eton years so hopefully once he starts having sex and doing drugs it'll pep up a bit lol His ghost writer, Pulitzer Prize winner J.R Moehringer, wrote it. They’ll both be devastated that you found it boring I’m sure! 🙂 |
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 12, 2023 19:28:17 GMT
Well I got it free on an Audible trial and listened to the first 30 chapters before bed last night.. The writing style is...a choice...and probably made worse by listening to it instead of reading it. I do hope the CONSTANT (to the point of almost parody) mentions of 'Mummy' will cease at some point. It is incredibly boring, but I am only up to the Eton years so hopefully once he starts having sex and doing drugs it'll pep up a bit lol His ghost writer, Pulitzer Prize winner J.R Moehringer, wrote it. They’ll both be devastated that you found it boring I’m sure! 🙂 I doubt I'm the only one... |
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jan 12, 2023 23:38:23 GMT
The response to the book (the media’s willingness to flagrantly and knowingly print deliberate lies and openly do the RF’s dirty work for them) is so sinister and corrupt, it’s making them look a thousand times worse than anything Harry could say.
Look at this TK Maxx nonsense. The paper Camilla’s best friend runs just published a statement from TK Maxx saying Harry has never shopped there (how would they even know??) and calling Harry a liar. But they were immediately outed as liars themselves because they themselves had previously tweeted photos of Harry shopping there.
Sounds random, until you learn TK Maxx is one of the biggest partners in Charles’ charity. (Of course, Charles’ financial dealings have always been incredibly shady).
The level of corruption and just sheer lies the British establishment is engaging in right now is so Trumpian. A lot of people don’t care about royals or regard it as just celeb gossip, which is understandable, but it’s not about Harry, it’s about the fact all this is revealing that we have a press who openly and deliberately lie to us whenever it suits their agenda or boosts their cronies.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 13, 2023 11:02:24 GMT
TK Maxx saying they don’t do sales because they have great prices year round, when they’ve recently been promoting their January Sales, is kinda hilarious. You can see what they were trying to do, but really…
Does *anyone* believe a High St shop doesn’t *do* sales?!
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Post by steve10086 on Jan 13, 2023 17:24:40 GMT
The response to the book (the media’s willingness to flagrantly and knowingly print deliberate lies and openly do the RF’s dirty work for them) is so sinister and corrupt, it’s making them look a thousand times worse than anything Harry could say. Look at this TK Maxx nonsense. The paper Camilla’s best friend runs just published a statement from TK Maxx saying Harry has never shopped there (how would they even know??) and calling Harry a liar. But they were immediately outed as liars themselves because they themselves had previously tweeted photos of Harry shopping there. Sounds random, until you learn TK Maxx is one of the biggest partners in Charles’ charity. (Of course, Charles’ financial dealings have always been incredibly shady). The level of corruption and just sheer lies the British establishment is engaging in right now is so Trumpian. A lot of people don’t care about royals or regard it as just celeb gossip, which is understandable, but it’s not about Harry, it’s about the fact all this is revealing that we have a press who openly and deliberately lie to us whenever it suits their agenda or boosts their cronies. What the actual f**k?!? I become more of a Harry fan every bloody day! |
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Post by karloscar on Jan 14, 2023 0:30:17 GMT
"Talking therapy is not right for everyone!" Catty Kate Code for "Hazza's off his head, should be locked in the Tower, don't believe the nasty things he said about moi!"😂
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Post by mkb on Jan 14, 2023 11:23:57 GMT
Lewis Goodall provides a sane and savvy take, as he always does:
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Post by ceebee on Jan 14, 2023 11:32:49 GMT
I picked up the book in my local supermarket out of curiosity. Flicked through some of the pages. What struck me was the layout of the words and sentences. Lots of gaps, white space, sentences liberally spaced, presumably for effect. I didn't buy it, but was curious to understand what all the fuss is about. There are too many other books that I actually want to read - to waste time on this one feels like a frivolous luxury that I can ill afford.
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Post by londonpostie on Jan 14, 2023 12:51:18 GMT
Look at this TK Maxx nonsense. The paper Camilla’s best friend runs just published a statement from TK Maxx saying Harry has never shopped there (how would they even know??) and calling Harry a liar. But they were immediately outed as liars themselves because they themselves had previously tweeted photos of Harry shopping there. Sounds random, until you learn TK Maxx is one of the biggest partners in Charles’ charity. (Of course, Charles’ financial dealings have always been incredibly shady). I'm none the wiser, tbh. There is walking around looking - either genuinely, or as a man-of-the-people photo opportunity, and then there is card out at the till buying, "shopping" can mean either or both.
I don't care in the slightest, but I do see this as wordplay.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jan 14, 2023 15:06:24 GMT
There are pap photos of Harry coming out of a TK Maxx holding TK Maxx carrier bags, so he obviously has purchased items there.
No one has made any suggestion that Harry merely "walked around looking", so no need for any linguistic debate as to whether a purely hypothetical situation can be named as shopping or not.
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Post by londonpostie on Jan 14, 2023 17:35:00 GMT
Good for Rambo Windsor.
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Post by Latecomer on Jan 15, 2023 8:53:17 GMT
I find it interesting that the papers have moved on to “sources say brothers must reconcile before coronation and then Harry needs to move on and keep quiet”
They have sort of missed the point….he’s left now. He doesn’t have to keep quiet.
The Monarchy is such a strange thing….too much showing what life is REALLY like inside the actual family just shows how daft the whole concept is! The Queen realised this when she did her famous documentary….that has never seen the light of day again since it was shown. God forbid, they are just “ordinary”people like you and me, only incredibly rich automatically and for no good reason.
The cat is out of the bag. I expect the next generation will just decide the whole shebang isn’t worth it.
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Post by edi on Jan 15, 2023 9:35:19 GMT
Yes, this is the thing about it. This whole "revelation" drama just shows that the whole family is not much different than the rest of us. I thought this kind of family drama in the open was exclusive to the kind of people who think going on the The Jeremy Kyle Show type programs is a good idea.
All families have issues, arguments, but not all sell these out to the media. I wonder whether we would all "sell" if we could make money out of intimate family stories.
This whole thing really lovered my opinion of Harry, but it hurst the whole family.
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Post by londonpostie on Jan 15, 2023 9:52:35 GMT
"sources", for the most part, are media editors who can't afford clicks rate to drop, and need the story to keep rolling. You see this in football every week, as well; a high profile player is 'linked' to high profile club (click, click!). One source makes the claim, the media pack picks it up, each new article develops the story a little further. No quotes, no facts, the story is only validated by referencing the wider context (which makes it plausible).
Just get the important names in the headline. And with the advertising clicks, the business model of legacy media survives another week. |
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Post by edi on Jan 15, 2023 10:12:55 GMT
Yes, the media is a "villain" but is it not us, the general public who demands these stories?
I mean Harry's book is selling like hot cakes despite most people disapproving his actions yet not being able to suppress their appetite for the gritty nitty. What message does it send to the media??
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Post by londonpostie on Jan 15, 2023 10:47:06 GMT
Specifically on the book, we're in the middle of an extraordinary hype period. Mature perspective and informed opinion is weeks and months away yet. IMO!
Did the media find a queue of people waiting to buy the book, in the end?
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