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Post by jojo on Mar 2, 2021 7:39:38 GMT
It's all pretty depressing. The media have been pretty awful towards them (though worth noting that they were pretty mean towards Kate too), and I don't blame them for wanting to put a stop to it. It was inevitable there would be some push back to them suing those that didn't just cross a line, but jumped over it with glee, but I respected them for it.
I also think it's a shame that there couldn't be a way of letting them be minor royals that could work for everyone, or that the media couldn't get their heads around the idea of them turning up to public events, but not announcing details of a Christening. It was OK for them to release a photo to announce that Meghan is pregnant, whilst simultaneously taking action against a newspaper that published private letters etc.
I was watching a conversation on the news and one person made the very good point that it would have been better if we could get our heads around the idea of a much smaller group of senior Royals, while junior Royals have fairly normal lives most of the time, but still do some ceremonial stuff and turn up to the big events, which seems to be what happens in other European countries that still have royals. The suggestion was that it would be a good thing if a minor royal wanted to pursue a career and become an architect or teacher or doctor etc.
However, Harry and Meghan aren't wanting to take a break from Royal duties to work in any kind of regular profession, but their new jobs are, in practical terms, professional celebrities. They haven't been offered a deal with Netflix because of their documentary making skills, but because they are very, very famous and can get front page publicity for any project they support.
In that respect, I totally get the accusations of cakism. Their aim might be to stop taking any money from the royal fund (I'm not sure what it's actually called), but they are still relying on their royal credentials to do that.
But I don't blame them for it. I blame the media for both the terrible way they were treated, and then the melodramatic way in which every public statement is broadcast. The release of the trailer was treated as if it was a massive news story at a time when there is plenty of real news to be getting on with.
The reality is that the press are loving all of this. They love to be outraged, and they are just as happy when some of that is outrage at their own behaviour. It all generates clicks.
However, I don't buy into the idea that they are standing on their own two feet or whatever phrases are being pushed. It reminds me of one of the Kardashian children declaring herself the youngest ever "self-made" billionaire.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 4, 2021 7:26:50 GMT
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 4, 2021 12:57:38 GMT
This is nothing new. There were stories before the wedding that Meghan was being difficult and demanding.
We don't know the truth or otherwise behind any of this. But it is not the first time her behaviour has been called into question.
Yes, it might all be a smear campaign. But given how many times the Sussex couple have gone to court now, that would be risky.
So perhaps there is a kernel of truth in there. We just don't know.
The best thing would be for the press to actively ignore them. Not print stories based on their Instagram or twitter postings. Not review any of the shows they make. Nothing. They wanted to be left alone by the media. Let's see that happen.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 4, 2021 20:28:57 GMT
Very disappointed. I thought she was lovely at the start but now...?
If she slags off the Queen on Sunday (and when she talks about ‘the firm’ she means the Queen) then that will be bridges burnt. For both of them.
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Post by sfsusan on Mar 4, 2021 20:39:16 GMT
There were stories before the wedding that Meghan was being difficult and demanding. I was wondering if this might be a cultural difference... Hollywood personal assistants are (from what I've read) on duty 24 hours a day. Although presumably someone at the Palace explained to Meghan at the time that her behavior was unacceptable. Also, I was wondering why the Palace needs to make a public investigation into allegations made a year ago against someone who is no longer their responsibility (so making sure the situation isn't repeated can't be the purpose). Wouldn't HR matters generally be confidential? |
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Post by londonpostie on Mar 4, 2021 21:06:37 GMT
Because the employer owes a legal duty of care to the employee - we don't know who left on what terms and exactly why but the bottom of the link is probably relevant:
Also, what was Harry doing while all that was, allegedly, going on.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Mar 4, 2021 21:19:27 GMT
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Is anyone going to even mention how Prince Andrew has been brushed under the carpet?
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Post by londonpostie on Mar 4, 2021 21:37:05 GMT
Who by?
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 5, 2021 9:04:58 GMT
... Is anyone going to even mention how Prince Andrew has been brushed under the carpet? Where else is he supposed to be? Metropolitan Detention Center, Brooklyn? |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 5, 2021 9:06:25 GMT
I’m done with them. For Harry to sit there and just watch his wife - someone he’s known two minutes - essentially throw a public grenade like that shows all bets are off. The Palace are clearly not happy but they have no option really of doing it outside of leaks to the press - the family are not going to issue statements, do interviews or discuss what happened directly. But we know what they do and how they do it, when they have something to say. This is one of those times and it’s a game Meghan didn’t know how to play, and going on Oprah playing the victim and looking for sympathy shows she still hasn’t learnt. This isn’t going to be a narrative she can control and it’s going to eventually backfire hugely. What if he agrees with the comment? |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 5, 2021 9:07:42 GMT
I’m done with them. For Harry to sit there and just watch his wife - someone he’s known two minutes - essentially throw a public grenade like that shows all bets are off. The Palace are clearly not happy but they have no option really of doing it outside of leaks to the press - the family are not going to issue statements, do interviews or discuss what happened directly. But we know what they do and how they do it, when they have something to say. This is one of those times and it’s a game Meghan didn’t know how to play, and going on Oprah playing the victim and looking for sympathy shows she still hasn’t learnt. This isn’t going to be a narrative she can control and it’s going to eventually backfire hugely. Does Harry know how to play the game? It was always going to be Harry wasn't it. It was written in prophecies |
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Post by southstreet on Mar 5, 2021 9:33:48 GMT
I am so amused by all this faux outrage. I honestly don't give two hoots about the royal family, I think they are a ridiculous and outdated institution and nothing else than all other 'celebrities' that are famous not for any particular talent, but just for being famous. I know lots of people are totally into them, and that's fine but they are not for me. Even though being German, I should probably claim it as 'my' Royal Family, too.
I am highly amused at the timing of the 'investigation' into Meghan's alleged bullying, a few days before the huge interview being aired. Veeeeeery convenient.
I am not saying that she didn't bully anyone (she might well have) but until the family and this country properly deals with Andrew anything that Meghan might or might not have done really pales in comparison and takes every little ounce of integrity out of 'the firm'.
And I absolutely don't blame them for trying to get away from the British press, the blatant racism in their reporting of whatever Meghan did or wore (in direct comparison to coverage of Kate there is nobody who can tell me otherwise) and to be fair, I feel a lot of that came from the firm, using Meghan as canon fodder to distract from sh*t going on with Kate and William and obviously the whole Andrew saga.
I also love how this is all Meghan's fault, as if Harry is nothing but a limp sock puppet who doesn't have a mind of his own and doesn't know his family and how it operates. Would he really be walking away from the Royals if they have all been wonderful and supportive of him and his wife?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 5, 2021 10:29:04 GMT
No faux outrage here... I’m GENUINELY outraged! 😁 Anyway if a picture paints a thousand words etc.. it’s almost as if she knew what was coming isn’t it? 😉  |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 5, 2021 12:17:28 GMT
No faux outrage here... I’m GENUINELY outraged! 😁 Anyway if a picture paints a thousand words etc.. it’s almost as if she knew what was coming isn’t it? 😉 Funny what different people take from the same photo....    |
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Post by sfsusan on Mar 5, 2021 12:39:53 GMT
Because the employer owes a legal duty of care to the employee - we don't know who left on what terms and exactly why but the bottom of the link is probably relevant: Yes, of course, there's a need for investigation... but why comment publicly on a personnel matter? And is the investigation in the course of a claim from the employee or in response to the Times article? I am highly amused at the timing of the 'investigation' into Meghan's alleged bullying, a few days before the huge interview being aired. Veeeeeery convenient. I agree, that makes the whole situation very suspicious. If the Palace knew about this two years ago, they either didn't investigate (why not?) or did investigate and know what happened. If they knew Meghan had done something wrong, would they protect her or throw her under the bus? (My vote would be 'under the bus'.) (Just to make my position clear, I think there is fault to go around. I don't blame Harry for wanting to bail on his public life [predicted, to bring in a theatrical connection, in 'King Charles III']. But he handled publicizing those discussions poorly, blindsiding the Queen, even if the media was about the break the story. And he and Meghan have made mis-steps since, which I suspect reflects the fact that they consider themselves 'celebrities' in their own right, unrelated to his connection to the royal family. Which I suspect they will quickly find out isn't correct. So in my opinion the initial situation wasn't Harry/Meghan's fault, but their flawed response to it is.) |
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Post by londonpostie on Mar 5, 2021 13:10:57 GMT
I have no idea, I don't follow this very much. Fwiw, my guess is MM has few income streams now and one of the important of those she does have is victimhood and her association with the Royal Family. It looks like the Royals are saying 'if we're talking victims, here are some others to consider'. They really don't want anything to do with her or her world.
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Post by sph on Mar 5, 2021 16:16:43 GMT
I don't really understand why people have feelings about this strong enough to be considered "outrage" though. Does it really matter to you that much? I read the news on them with a passing interest, but can't imagine feeling any personal level of anger towards them. It seems silly.
And why are Royal Family scandals met with shock as though each is the first to ever happen? Open a history book. There have been many over the centuries. This will be a vaguely interesting chapter of British Royal history that will get a brief mention in history lessons 100 years from now.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Mar 5, 2021 18:28:36 GMT
The RF must be really terrified at what dirt she might spill about them, to be conducting such a huge smear campaign against her.
Reminder that the Palace leaked almost identical “bullying allegations” against Diana the week before her Martin Bashir interview aired.
*grabs popcorn*
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 5, 2021 23:06:20 GMT
No faux outrage here... I’m GENUINELY outraged! 😁 Anyway if a picture paints a thousand words etc.. it’s almost as if she knew what was coming isn’t it? 😉 I am no royalist, therefore a republican. If the reference of a picture can paint a 1000 words is the Queen looking at Meghan disdainfully, with a cameras taking thousands of photos, it is not hard to get one bad photo, the Queen could of heard something or seen something beyond Meghan, to make her look disdainful. The press have been doing this for years, using the worst photo to awfulise a story, so therefore a picture does tell a 1000 adjectives. |
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Post by sfsusan on Mar 6, 2021 17:37:46 GMT
It became a beast she couldn’t control and it’s just naive of them if Meghan and Harry think they can keep a hold on the narrative. I think 'naive' is a very good way of describing them, as I suspect that's exactly what they do think. I think they may be re-enacting the Duke and Duchess of Windsor's path, and if so, that's terribly sad. I think he was far more in love with her than she was with him (based on reading biographies and watching documentaries), which I think he came to realize in the end. But both had sacrificed so much for this "love story of the century" that neither could even contemplate that it had all gone terribly wrong. (I'm American, but my maternal grandparents were English, so I grew up with coronation teacups and plates. My mom was crazy for Diana and hand-stitched a sampler for the royal wedding. So I feel a personal connection yet also recognize it's slightly distant from my day-to-day experience.) |
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Post by karloscar on Mar 6, 2021 17:39:36 GMT
Buck House seem to be stoking the flames with their bullying allegations, when a dignified silence would be more appropriate. Also why are H&M ostracized and vilified while the abhorrent Prince Andrew is protected in the family bosom? Makes no sense at all. As for the photo, surely that's Her Maj's resting bitch face. She always looks like that except when smiling for the cameras.
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Post by sfsusan on Mar 6, 2021 17:43:37 GMT
Buck House seem to be stoking the flames with their bullying allegations, when a dignified silence would be more appropriate. It seems like none of them can just 'suffer in silence' if suffer they must. Especially not Piers Morgan, whose vitriol and obsession is getting slightly creepy. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 20:19:33 GMT
Why is Grumpyqueen not a meme?
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Post by sfsusan on Mar 6, 2021 20:45:05 GMT
I feel sorry for Archie in all of this. His grandad will be King when he’s growing up, his uncle will be King when he’s an adult and his cousin a King when he’s an old man yet he’ll be half a world away probably never really knowing them. Isn't this the plot of 'King Ralph', starring John Goodman? Then a disaster wipes out everybody in the royal family between Archie and the throne and we get a spoiled celeb kid as King, instead of an unsophisticated bumpkin as in the movie. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 6, 2021 21:52:19 GMT
I think 'naive' is a very good way of describing them, as I suspect that's exactly what they do think. I think they may be re-enacting the Duke and Duchess of Windsor's path, and if so, that's terribly sad. I think he was far more in love with her than she was with him (based on reading biographies and watching documentaries), which I think he came to realize in the end. But both had sacrificed so much for this "love story of the century" that neither could even contemplate that it had all gone terribly wrong. (I'm American, but my maternal grandparents were English, so I grew up with coronation teacups and plates. My mom was crazy for Diana and hand-stitched a sampler for the royal wedding. So I feel a personal connection yet also recognize it's slightly distant from my day-to-day experience.) Yes, I think Edward probably did love Wallis more than she loved him. With Meghan and Harry I think it’s safe to say that they love each other is undeniable, so at least they have that going for them. I feel sorry for Archie in all of this. His grandad will be King when he’s growing up, his uncle will be King when he’s an adult and his cousin a King when he’s an old man yet he’ll be half a world away probably never really knowing them. Archie’s grandfather will never be king. |
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