Post by latefortheoverture on May 23, 2019 1:55:57 GMT
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Just back from this tonight- what an outstanding film. It's a very stylised way of telling Elton's story. A very theatrical way. A very Elton way! I've loved Elton's music for years and was very excited for it, and it did't disappoint!
Taron Egerton was unreal in this, he will round up a lot of praise and hopefully some awards. Liked him since kingsman and she seems so humble and deserving of it. Richard Madden done a good job, as I hated his character by the end. But a special mention to Gemma Jones as Ivy (Elton's Grandma) I absolutely loved her. West End alum Celinde Schoenmaker also appears as Renata and does a great job, considering as it's her big film debut!
The structure of it all is very similar to how a show would be, which makes me wonder as this could pretty much translate to the stage now. The whole flashback and dreams, with big dance numbers really do make me wonder as I imagine it could be fairly likely.
This film was more than I expected, and although in some area's it could've easily been cut down, I left feeling overjoyed. A real rollercoaster ride of emotions. I didn't realise quite how bad his abuse was.
Taron was the real standout in this, can't wait to see what he does next!
Has anyone else seen it yet? What did you make of it?
I pretty much agree with everything you said - I thought it was absolutely brilliant. The fantasy aspect worked well, as did the flashbacks (which is not something I normally like). Taron Egerton is phenomenal in this - I really hope he gets recognised for his work in this as he really does a fantastic job of becoming Elton. His voice really suits the songs too. I thought most of the supporting cast were great too - Jamie Bell and Richard Madden were fantastic, I was less keen on Bryce Dallas Howard as his mother though. It was nice to see a number of West End actors in small parts in this - Celinde Schoenmaker, Jason Pennycooke, Alexia Khadime, Rachel Muldoon and Tom Bennett among others.
Post by latefortheoverture on May 23, 2019 11:47:04 GMT
Yes- something about her didn't click, Bryce Dallas Howard. She's a great actress, I loved her in black mirror, but she was a little off. Her accent wasn't the strongest in some ways this was her let down. I don't know Elton's mum so don't know how she's meant to be portrayed; but she came across very cold, even in the younger days I thought she might've had a bit more love from her...
Saw it Monday night at a Limitless preview and haven’t shut up about it since! It’s everything that other recent 70s rock biopic should have been - flamboyant, joyous, emotional, a little bit surreal, honest and gay!
And there’ll be no complaints about poor editing on this one, either - the production values are really high and you can tell it has been made with a huge amount of love and care, without cutting corners.
It’s obviously not a literal or historically accurate telling of events - the songs are placed to illuminate the emotional journey of the main character with very little regard as to when they were actually written. In fact, if you didn’t know anything about Elton at all you could watch it as a musical about a fictional rockstar without the film losing much resonance - it’s astonishing just how well the music is integrated into the storytelling, you’d think that had been written deliberately for it.
It’s not perfect, though - there’s one early number that doesn’t quite work, and it does tip over into cheesy at the end. But it’s easy to forgive it those flaws.
Taron is incredible - so wonderful to see an actor giving a proper character performance instead of doing an impersonation of a public persona. You really feel what he is going through in the film, and ‘show not tell’ means it gets away with shorthand for certain major life events without huge chunks of exposition, because what’s really going on is written all over Taron’s face.
Richard Madden is sexy and villainous as John Reid but the film treats the start of the love affair between him and Elton in a lovely way. It’s absolutely clear that their attraction for each other is not the problem and that, despite what Elton’s mother tells him, his problems do not stem from being gay. It’s possibly the first film I’ve seen - let alone the first mainstream studio film - that actually ends on pictures of a gay couple and their children to show how happy the main character is, and that does feel pretty remarkable.
Clearly they’re not hoping to release it in China....
There is a duet with her and Taron on Itunes (Don't let the sun go down on me), but often only half of those tracks is in the actual film, just like in Mamma Mia, here we go again.
Yes, one of my favourite moments in the film.
Don't let the sun go down on me is my favourite Elton song without a shadow of doubt- and as it begun I got goosebumps. I'm quite the fan of Celinde, I saw her twice in Les Mis, and twice in Phantom. I'm so happy for her!! Whilst her role isn't massive, it's definitely vital to Elton's story.
Is Taron doing an Elton impersonation on the singing then?
No, not an impersonation at all - more evoking a sense of him. There's the odd moment where he sounds quite close on some tracks, but he's not really attempting to mimic him. The songs are revealing of character, so they're given different emotional interpretations than the originals had in most cases.
Plus, it would have been impossible to mimic him all the way through because the songs are not presented in chronological order - they are placed like songs written for musical, to serve the story - so there are times when child and teenage Elton are singing songs originally performed by Elton in middle-age.
I really liked it, the first 10 minutes take a while to get going but it picks up the pace once Taron Egerton appears as adult Elton who really captures his essence without being an imitation.
I think presenting it as a fantasy musical worked really well, it's Elton's story how he sees it in his head rather than how it actually happened. I quite seeing various West End performers in small roles although Leigh Francis aka Keith Lemon makes a small cameo which a non UK audience wouldn't notice but it's a bit jarring.
Jamie Bell as Bernie Taupin was good and you could tell in many scenes that Bernie cared for Elton, Richard Madden also was good but I wonder how the real John Reid feels about his portrayal because he did not come across well at all, likewise Elton's Mum and Dad as well.
Apparently John Reid did see the script and gave it his blessing/promised not to sue.
He settled a legal dispute with Elton out of court in the late 90s that ended with him paying back a few million pounds he had spent of Elton’s money, so I suspect there’s another factor at play there. While the film does not depict him as a nice man it definitely doesn’t suggest that he is a bad or dishonest business manager.
This missed the mark for me I'm afraid, and it was the fantasy sequences that ruined it for me.
Yes, they are of course the sort of flamboyant indulgence that typifies Elton John, so in that respect they are very fitting, but I found they distracted from the story rather than furthering it.
There are also a few other issues - I agree Bryce Dallas Howard is miscast, I found her performance completely baffling. The camera work would at times cause motion sickness to anyone who is sensitive to that, and I thought the pacing of the whole film was wrong.
That said, there is quite a lot to like as well - the music is extremely well done, especially the instrumental underscore. The costumes and sets are as glitzy as you would expect. On the acting front, Gemma Jones and Jamie Bell are great, Richard Madden is fine and playing "spot the West End performers" is a lot of fun (Sharon D Clarke especially is very good). But the film is really worth seeing for Taron Edgerton alone - he is really exceptional, a truly memorable performance acting-wise. A decent effort on the singing front too, though I was a little disappointed with Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.
So a mixed bag for me overall - a lot to like, but it didn't fully click for me, and I don't feel the need to see it again If we're going to do the obvious biopic comparison that all the reviews seem to be doing, I preferred Bohemian Rhapsody by miles.
I’ve seen a few people saying similar things. I think people either get the idea of what the fantasy sequences are trying to do or they don’t.
It worked for me because I really loved the conceit of it being one person’s not necessarily accurate recollection of their drug-inflected life. It is explicitly told from Elton’s perspective.
That’s a get-out-of-jail-free card that Bohemian Rhapsody never played, preferring instead to ape objectivity and give the impression of verisimilitude while actually taking huge and obvious liberties with the truth. It is never up-front about its point of view although it clearly permeates the film.
As a result Bohemian Rhapsody felt profoundly dishonest to me even as I was watching it, while Rocketman feels like it achieves a level of emotional truth that is rare in the more traditional biopic format.