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Post by theatremole on Apr 22, 2021 18:56:04 GMT
There's always a note in the T&C's which says they cannot guarantee the appearance of certain performers.
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 22, 2021 18:56:23 GMT
I'm all for leads getting a scheduled off day, just because it's how it was done in the past doesn't mean it should always be like that. Performers only get one full day off a week to rest, recover and look after their voice. Having a scheduled off show a week gives them a break. They're human and there's been a huge drive over the last few years concerning the mental and physical well being of performers. Oh yes of course. Let them have all the time off they want. But advertise it clearly before people buy tickets. This.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 22, 2021 19:02:14 GMT
There's always a note in the T&C's which says they cannot guarantee the appearance of certain performers. That’s fine. But if it’s in her contract she will only do a certain number of shows, then they MUST advertise this from day 1. Maybe she is contracted to do all 8 and is planning to.
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Post by danb on Apr 22, 2021 19:04:21 GMT
Carrie was fine in ‘Heathers’ until they added ‘I Say No’ and the weather turned more autumnal. The combo of another huge song along with virus season knocked her sideways. They just need to look after her.
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 22, 2021 20:05:57 GMT
I don't really see how it would work though — obviously they're all entitled to holidays, and people do get ill. But taking somebody on to only perform three quarters of the time, would you pay them three quarters of the salary? Would the other person do an ensemble role for the other six shows? It just seems a bit awkward. In some ways, you'd be better having two Cinderellas who do half the week each and go into the ensemble for the other half. But it isn't how theatre is set up. (And I agree it's even more of a problem when you're selling a show based on a big name.) Is she a big name though? I mean outside of the industry and her fans? The furore when Idina Menzel was off in Wicked or Michael Crawford in Phantom, Glenn Close in Sunset just doesn’t seem the same? Is she that well known to people just booking a London show or ALW fans? Not being combative This is a serious question?
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 22, 2021 20:08:00 GMT
There's always a note in the T&C's which says they cannot guarantee the appearance of certain performers. Yes but that should mean illness not scheduled days off. You can’t advertise on the strength of a ‘name’ and then dupe fans into buying a ticket, fall back on that old chestnut and not expect backlash.
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Post by inthenose on Apr 22, 2021 20:47:28 GMT
It would be helpful to advertise so people can avoid seeing her, if they are so inclined...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 22, 2021 20:57:12 GMT
I don't really see how it would work though — obviously they're all entitled to holidays, and people do get ill. But taking somebody on to only perform three quarters of the time, would you pay them three quarters of the salary? Would the other person do an ensemble role for the other six shows? It just seems a bit awkward. In some ways, you'd be better having two Cinderellas who do half the week each and go into the ensemble for the other half. But it isn't how theatre is set up. (And I agree it's even more of a problem when you're selling a show based on a big name.) Is she a big name though? I mean outside of the industry and her fans? The furore when Idina Menzel was off in Wicked or Michael Crawford in Phantom, Glenn Close in Sunset just doesn’t seem the same? Is she that well known to people just booking a London show or ALW fans? Not being combative This is a serious question? No. She has a very active niche following on social media which she puts a lot of effort into maintaining. However when she was on that itv show the other day you could almost hear the country saying “who?”. The fact that ALW considers himself to be “launching” her suggests that he feels the same.
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Post by FairyGodmother on Apr 22, 2021 21:37:15 GMT
I wouldn't say so really, I was more agreeing with the posters on the last page talking about Sheridan Smith etc. But they have been making a lot of fuss over her in the promotion of it so far, and they've plastered her on the side of the theatre — ALW is very strongly linking her to Cinderella (and yes, I've seen that about launching her somewhere. Quite possibly on this thread ). I don't know if he'd want to dilute that with a different person some days? At least not early on in the run.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Apr 22, 2021 22:39:24 GMT
Carrie was fine in ‘Heathers’ until they added ‘I Say No’ and the weather turned more autumnal. The combo of another huge song along with virus season knocked her sideways. They just need to look after her. I really hope this is the case. 💓
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Apr 22, 2021 22:44:23 GMT
I wouldn't say so really, I was more agreeing with the posters on the last page talking about Sheridan Smith etc. But they have been making a lot of fuss over her in the promotion of it so far, and they've plastered her on the side of the theatre — ALW is very strongly linking her to Cinderella (and yes, I've seen that about launching her somewhere. Quite possibly on this thread ). I don't know if he'd want to dilute that with a different person some days? At least not early on in the run. ALW is just ... 😡 CHF has been around for years. He’s not launching her career, it’s unique being the lead in a brand new work by him, but he’s just got such a weird complex referring to her as ‘girl.’ She’s a grown up. Weird. The UK public would probably be like, ‘who?‘ But it’s not as if she’s not well known especially from her YouTube channel and her older brother and sister-in-law. Performers are always subject to availability but I’d be very surprised if there was a performance schedule change (even though I think she should do 6/8 shows a week to give her voice a rest) I’m saying that as the songs so far are belt galore.
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 22, 2021 22:48:15 GMT
School of Rock employed an alternate two days a week as it was demanding physically and vocally for the leads. Perhaps this could be Andrew’s new thing. Some of her songs do sound ‘difficult’ to maintain across 8 shows.
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 23, 2021 9:46:27 GMT
School of Rock employed an alternate two days a week as it was demanding physically and vocally for the leads. Perhaps this could be Andrew’s new thing. Some of her songs do sound ‘difficult’ to maintain across 8 shows. Sure, but the person playing Dewey was not above the title of the show...
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Post by princeton on Apr 23, 2021 11:44:16 GMT
Isn't the only person above the title - Andrew Lloyd Webber?
Interestingly enough on Broadway they didn't have a scheduled alternative Dewey until a few months into the run - when I guess they realised what a demanding part it was.
Likewise the original production of Evita - where Elaine Paige began doing eight shows a week before moving down to six early in the run - with Susannah Fellows who was understudied the role playing the others. When, after about nine months, Marti Webb was brought to provide holiday cover and then remained as a billed alternative Eva - it was billed as "Special Guest Appearance by Marti Webb as Eva at certain performances" which was probably an attempt to assuage those who had been expecting to see the much heralded and publicised Paige.
Perhaps we will see a succession of 'special guest appearances' in Cinderella! Not that there's anything at this stage to suggest that the title role will require an alternative or that Carrie Hope Fletcher has a spotty attendance record (she hasn't). People may dislike her social media persona but she's more than paid her theatrical dues.
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Post by Roxie on Apr 23, 2021 12:20:44 GMT
Thinking of booking to see this but OMG why is theatre SO EXPENSIVE!!!?? Fancy them seats in the stalls where you 'go to the ball' but £150! pretty sure i could go to an actual ball, dress n all for that!
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Post by musicalmarge on Apr 23, 2021 13:25:20 GMT
Thinking of booking to see this but OMG why is theatre SO EXPENSIVE!!!?? Fancy them seats in the stalls where you 'go to the ball' but £150! pretty sure i could go to an actual ball, dress n all for that! It’s expensive because there are lots of people who can afford such seats and don’t think it’s expensive. Such new mega musicals cost millions to produce and run and with royalties the producers need clear profit. On Broadway world and playbill they list the box office receipts from Broadway and musicals make over a million dollars a week but have huge running costs. There are dozens of corporate events companies from the City who will take clients to such events as well as rich tourists who will also buy premium seats (Americans). Also note that the West End is half the price of Broadway seats and there are hundreds of seats under 40 pounds still. I also think they will do some day lottery or house seats as they did with School Of Rock.
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Post by Roxie on Apr 23, 2021 13:43:09 GMT
Thinking of booking to see this but OMG why is theatre SO EXPENSIVE!!!?? Fancy them seats in the stalls where you 'go to the ball' but £150! pretty sure i could go to an actual ball, dress n all for that! It’s expensive because there are lots of people who can afford such seats and don’t think it’s expensive. Such new mega musicals cost millions to produce and run and with royalties the producers need clear profit. On Broadway world and playbill they list the box office receipts from Broadway and musicals make over a million dollars a week but have huge running costs. There are dozens of corporate events companies from the City who will take clients to such events as well as rich tourists who will also buy premium seats (Americans). Also note that the West End is half the price of Broadway seats and there are hundreds of seats under 40 pounds still. I also think they will do some day lottery or house seats as they did with School Of Rock. it's gotten very pricey over the past decade. Time was you could get decent seats for £25, now for that you're looking at being in the gods! If you're coming from the regions as I do, add on the price of a half decent not too far out hotel and train, and meals and you can be looking at £2-300 to see a show. Times that for a family and it becomes very expensive. It's a shame cos so many people my age remember west end shows sparking their love of theatre and a lot of kids now will miss out cos its just so expensive!
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Post by viserys on Apr 23, 2021 14:46:30 GMT
I think pricing will go down over the next months - it will be hard to entice people back to the theatres anyway and foreign tourists with more spending money than sense will stay away for a while longer. From what I've gathered the enforced stop over many months has also made many people realize that it was all too much, including hobbies like theatre-going. And corporate w- bankers and their ilk might go to a show that gives them bragging rights like Hamilton or something like Chicago or Moulin Rouge that's a good excuse to ogle scantily clad dancers, but they wouldn't darken the doors of a show like Cinderella. So what's left? More of a local audience that has PLENTY of activities to choose from this summer and may want to catch up on other things they went without for so long. If I were you, I would just wait a bit longer, Roxie. Right now they hope to make full money on all those who can't wait to be back at the theatre, finally planning days/weekends out in London again, etc. But when they have plenty of seats to fill a few days before the performance, there'll be offers galore - especially during the weeks of the European football championships I predict
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Post by musicalmarge on Apr 23, 2021 15:22:12 GMT
It’s expensive because there are lots of people who can afford such seats and don’t think it’s expensive. Such new mega musicals cost millions to produce and run and with royalties the producers need clear profit. On Broadway world and playbill they list the box office receipts from Broadway and musicals make over a million dollars a week but have huge running costs. There are dozens of corporate events companies from the City who will take clients to such events as well as rich tourists who will also buy premium seats (Americans). Also note that the West End is half the price of Broadway seats and there are hundreds of seats under 40 pounds still. I also think they will do some day lottery or house seats as they did with School Of Rock. it's gotten very pricey over the past decade. Time was you could get decent seats for £25, now for that you're looking at being in the gods! If you're coming from the regions as I do, add on the price of a half decent not too far out hotel and train, and meals and you can be looking at £2-300 to see a show. Times that for a family and it becomes very expensive. It's a shame cos so many people my age remember west end shows sparking their love of theatre and a lot of kids now will miss out cos its just so expensive! I find theatre cheaper in London than all the regions! There are soooo many offers, two for one, theatre weeks, day seats, lotteries, upgrades and side stalls or circle seats are 1/3 the price of the mid stalls. The side circle seats for School of Rock were great! I got side stalls seats for wicked with my ATG card for 18 pounds.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 16:09:37 GMT
it's gotten very pricey over the past decade. Time was you could get decent seats for £25, now for that you're looking at being in the gods! If you're coming from the regions as I do, add on the price of a half decent not too far out hotel and train, and meals and you can be looking at £2-300 to see a show. Times that for a family and it becomes very expensive. It's a shame cos so many people my age remember west end shows sparking their love of theatre and a lot of kids now will miss out cos its just so expensive! I find theatre cheaper in London than all the regions! There are soooo many offers, two for one, theatre weeks, day seats, lotteries, upgrades and side stalls or circle seats are 1/3 the price of the mid stalls. The side circle seats for School of Rock were great! I got side stalls seats for wicked with my ATG card for 18 pounds. I agree. ATG pricing for the top musical tours (Les Mis/Phantom/Lion King/Wicked), certainly pre rona, often exceeded West End. And no deals around for love nor money!
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 24, 2021 16:28:02 GMT
Yes. West end Theatregoers always bemoan high prices. Never any discounts in regional theatres in the Midlands
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Post by TallPaul on Apr 26, 2021 8:27:58 GMT
Well at least the book is written by an Oscar winner!
Though this tweet does possibly confirm the type of production it's going to be. Like the panto version, maybe there will be some lines that go straight over the heads of the younger members of the audience?
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Post by FairyGodmother on Apr 26, 2021 9:39:53 GMT
I saw from the Oscars news she's expecting a baby. I bet the ever-changing opening date is a bit of a nuisance for her — I'd want to be able to give any input and make any changes I was asked to well before I had the baby.
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Post by singingbird on Apr 26, 2021 11:16:29 GMT
I give them until 5pm to update their digital marketing to capitalise on her now being an Oscar winner. I've been very surprised that the marketing for this show hasn't featured her name more prominently. Arguably she is 'flavour of the month' right now, in a way ALW hasn't been since the late 70s/early 80s. It feels like the team behind this have been massively missing a trick.
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Post by richey on Apr 26, 2021 12:17:38 GMT
I give them until 5pm to update their digital marketing to capitalise on her now being an Oscar winner.
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