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Post by ladidah on May 17, 2022 7:39:34 GMT
I agree, rant as much as you want to colleagues, friends, family.
Just keep it offline!
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Post by Jon on May 17, 2022 9:31:45 GMT
If actors wanted to express their feelings about the show they’re in, or the producers they’re working for, they could do it with their fellow professionals on a private group. They do it in public because they want it to BE public. Most normal people wouldn’t dream of slagging off their employers on SM like this, but some members of the acting community seem to think they’re very special and choose to show off like this for attention and likes. Most grievances should be dealt with in private IMO there are times if you have no skin in the game that you should use social media but otherwise it's a no no. |
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Post by stagebyte on May 17, 2022 15:08:16 GMT
Wow ‘masterpiece’
The tone is very disrespectful and as someone has observed above a bit of a slap in the face for paying audience members.
Rodney is either incredibly brave with tons of work lined up or incredibly dim.
Either way he’s coming across as a bit of an entitled brat.
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Post by Seriously on May 17, 2022 15:14:37 GMT
What's this got to do with us?
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Post by Oliver on May 17, 2022 16:54:06 GMT
It suggests to me that ALW was in the right when he addressed the cast on PA. They have demonstrated since then that his criticism of their attitude was entirely justified.
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Post by Jon on May 17, 2022 16:56:13 GMT
It suggests to me that ALW was in the right when he addressed the cast on PA. They have demonstrated since then that his criticism of their attitude was entirely justified. I don’t. There are ways to deal with grievances, addressing a cast on a PA while in another country isn’t it. |
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Post by Oliver on May 17, 2022 16:58:25 GMT
It suggests to me that ALW was in the right when he addressed the cast on PA. They have demonstrated since then that his criticism of their attitude was entirely justified. I don’t. There are ways to deal with grievances, addressing a cast on a PA while in another country isn’t it. I don't see the alternatives because it needed immediate attention presumably. |
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Post by danb on May 17, 2022 17:00:04 GMT
It suggests to me that there’s no smoke without fire. If so many people are prepared to go on the ‘record’ about how unpleasant an experience ‘Cinderella’ has been for them it must say something. Yes it is highly unprofessional and may tarnish their name going forward but it was their choice to make. Such a shame that it is in the name of something so average.
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Post by steve10086 on May 17, 2022 17:36:26 GMT
How does a man who has written some of the most successful musicals of all time not realise, at any point in this painful process, just what a turd he has created? I understand he hires “Yes Men”, but couldn’t his wife point it out? Or his kids?!
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Post by Oliver on May 17, 2022 18:33:47 GMT
How does a man who has written some of the most successful musicals of all time not realise, at any point in this painful process, just what a turd he has created? I understand he hires “Yes Men”, but couldn’t his wife point it out? Or his kids?! That's simply not true, he just hasn't written the kind of musical that people on this forum want him to write. That is not the definition of "bad". This is a light-hearted retelling of the story, not a big sweeping romance written expressly to satisfy the Theatreboard community. |
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Post by Oliver on May 17, 2022 18:35:38 GMT
It suggests to me that there’s no smoke without fire. If so many people are prepared to go on the ‘record’ about how unpleasant an experience ‘Cinderella’ has been for them it must say something. Yes it is highly unprofessional and may tarnish their name going forward but it was their choice to make. Such a shame that it is in the name of something so average. So what difference would it make if you didn't consider it average? How would that change anything? |
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Post by Being Alive on May 17, 2022 18:37:39 GMT
The creatives heralded it prior to opening with as much fanfare as Hamilton, if not more.
This is at best a 3 star musical, and the absolute bare minimum they could have done to retell Cinderella.
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Post by Oliver on May 17, 2022 18:47:46 GMT
The creatives heralded it prior to opening with as much fanfare as Hamilton, if not more. This is at best a 3 star musical, and the absolute bare minimum they could have done to retell Cinderella. The implication in your post is that Hamilton is a great musical. For me this totally undermines any evaluation of Cinderella which follows. |
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Post by danb on May 17, 2022 19:01:51 GMT
I think that the eight major awards (TONYS, Pullitzers, Oliviers) suggest that it is quite good, and running at a healthy profit in many productions worldwide. That’s before any performance awards. I’d say it was a good touchstone/counterpoint for what a good/successful/popular musical looks like in 2022.
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Post by shady23 on May 17, 2022 19:14:50 GMT
How does a man who has written some of the most successful musicals of all time not realise, at any point in this painful process, just what a turd he has created? I understand he hires “Yes Men”, but couldn’t his wife point it out? Or his kids?! You may not like it but plenty of others do. I listen to the soundtrack lots and thoroughly enjoyed it. I really don't get why some people on this thread take such delight in telling us, constantly, that they don't like it. |
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Post by Oliver on May 17, 2022 19:15:22 GMT
I think that the eight major awards (TONYS, Pullitzers, Oliviers) suggest that it is quite good, and running at a healthy profit in many productions worldwide. That’s before any performance awards. I’d say it was a good touchstone/counterpoint for what a good/successful/popular musical looks like in 2022. I disagree. How many awards or how much acclaim something has is irrelevant to whether it's actually good. There are many examples of overhyped shows, movies, songs, very often people simply jumping on the bandwagon. How about the acclaim that the Star Wars episode 7 movie got, 97 percent on Rotten Tomatoes or something? Was that a genuinely good movie? I make up my mind based on what *I* think, not what others think, and I would expect that is the same for you. After all, had Cinderella won all the awards Hamilton won, you wouldn't decide that it was good, would you? |
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Post by danb on May 17, 2022 19:26:48 GMT
That must be right then. Silly me. These sort of awards do tend to only be voted for by studious youths in their bedrooms rather than industry professionals and peers. 🙄
Using spurious and wholly unrelated examples to illustrate your point is a bit desperate. If ‘Hamilton’ had closed a year later when people realised it was a load of old rubbish that would work. It didn’t. The Star Wars prequels were so eagerly anticipated that everyone fell over themselves to laud them initially, just because they were a new SW product. Again, as an example it just doesn’t work because it is without a significant peer. It is a lightning in a bottle phenomena that is being wrung out for any penny Disney can make from it now.
If Cinderella had won the awards that Hamilton won I’d be aghast. My opinion of it wouldn’t change.
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Post by inthenose on May 17, 2022 19:28:39 GMT
How does a man who has written some of the most successful musicals of all time not realise, at any point in this painful process, just what a turd he has created? I understand he hires “Yes Men”, but couldn’t his wife point it out? Or his kids?! You may not like it but plenty of others do. I listen to the soundtrack lots and thoroughly enjoyed it. I really don't get why some people on this thread take such delight in telling us, constantly, that they don't like it. Several others have adored the show! Closing in a few weeks, guys, get on board. |
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Post by richey on May 17, 2022 19:46:29 GMT
Another show stop again tonight apparently!
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Post by Oliver on May 17, 2022 20:13:55 GMT
That must be right then. Silly me. These sort of awards do tend to only be voted for by studious youths in their bedrooms rather than industry professionals and peers. Using spurious and wholly unrelated examples to illustrate your point is a bit desperate. If ‘Hamilton’ had closed a year later when people realised it was a load of old rubbish that would work. It didn’t. The Star Wars prequels were so eagerly anticipated that everyone fell over themselves to laud them initially, just because they were a new SW product. Again, as an example it just doesn’t work because it is without a significant peer. It is a lightning in a bottle phenomena that is being wrung out for any penny Disney can make from it now. If Cinderella had won the awards that Hamilton won I’d be aghast. My opinion of it wouldn’t change. Your first two sentences are a strawman, this is not an argument I made. Regarding your second point, no the example I used is appropriate, it shows how mediocrity often has underserved praise heaped upon it. Also, it wasn't the Star Wars prequels I was referring to, it was episode 7, so why bring up the prequels? Your final point supports my argument, not yours, since you are essentially saying the awards wouldn't change anything. Even if your so-called "experts" heaped awards on Cinderella you would not value their judgement. And if Hamilton hadn't won any awards you would still love Hamilton. Your argument doesn't hold water. |
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Post by danb on May 17, 2022 20:56:32 GMT
And there’s the rub Oliver. It isn’t an argument. It is a supposedly light hearted discussion board where people share opinions, not have them over analysed, picked apart for their lexicography or basically have all of the fun taken out of them. Yet again I find myself in the position of not wanting to continue because of your inability to do that, so I will respectfully leave it there.
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Post by steve10086 on May 17, 2022 22:03:38 GMT
How does a man who has written some of the most successful musicals of all time not realise, at any point in this painful process, just what a turd he has created? I understand he hires “Yes Men”, but couldn’t his wife point it out? Or his kids?! You may not like it but plenty of others do. I listen to the soundtrack lots and thoroughly enjoyed it. I really don't get why some people on this thread take such delight in telling us, constantly, that they don't like it. I’d query the use of “plenty”… |
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Post by steve10086 on May 17, 2022 22:06:22 GMT
How does a man who has written some of the most successful musicals of all time not realise, at any point in this painful process, just what a turd he has created? I understand he hires “Yes Men”, but couldn’t his wife point it out? Or his kids?! That's simply not true, he just hasn't written the kind of musical that people on this forum want him to write. That is not the definition of "bad". This is a light-hearted retelling of the story, not a big sweeping romance written expressly to satisfy the Theatreboard community. I’d be more than happy with a light-hearted retelling of the story… if it had good songs with good lyrics, a logical plot etc etc It’s not the kind of musical that’s the problem, it’s the quality of the musical. |
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Post by chernjam on May 18, 2022 2:34:02 GMT
It suggests to me that ALW was in the right when he addressed the cast on PA. They have demonstrated since then that his criticism of their attitude was entirely justified. ^ 1000 % At the time there was a flurry of cast absences and then people showing up on social media doing all kinds of other things other than being "sick" and all we've heard peddled since is that ALW was such an ogre by calling in the cast and laying into them. At the time especially as the show had only been running for a few months after a lot of stop-go-stop-go because of COVID that was unprofessional. "toxic environment" - perhaps of their own making. |
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Post by stagebyte on May 18, 2022 7:55:34 GMT
It suggests to me that ALW was in the right when he addressed the cast on PA. They have demonstrated since then that his criticism of their attitude was entirely justified. ^ 1000 % At the time there was a flurry of cast absences and then people showing up on social media doing all kinds of other things other than being "sick" and all we've heard peddled since is that ALW was such an ogre by calling in the cast and laying into them. At the time especially as the show had only been running for a few months after a lot of stop-go-stop-go because of COVID that was unprofessional. "toxic environment" - perhaps of their own making. I have to agree. While we will never know the true events. This is very much the impression I got. Sometimes production has to step in to rein things in and perhaps certain people aren’t used to being reprimanded in their jobs? |
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