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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 25, 2022 22:44:28 GMT
Would it have killed her to tell everyone when the last show is then? Or to say it’s not confirmed yet? I agree to be honest, the tweet in general is just very blunt! Typical Carrie in other words. She seems to be incredibly arsey with the fans on SM, unless she happens to be telling them it’s ok to bring presents to her meet & greets.
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Post by max on Apr 25, 2022 22:56:48 GMT
I agree to be honest, the tweet in general is just very blunt! Typical Carrie in other words. She seems to be incredibly arsey with the fans on SM, unless she happens to be telling them it’s ok to bring presents to her meet & greets. If you think sending a heart is being "arsey" it must be carnage round yours on Valentine's Day.
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Post by musicbox on Apr 25, 2022 23:07:53 GMT
I agree to be honest, the tweet in general is just very blunt! Typical Carrie in other words. She seems to be incredibly arsey with the fans on SM, unless she happens to be telling them it’s ok to bring presents to her meet & greets. I agree, she often can be quite unnecessarily defensive with her fans I find. I really hope she is leaving and isn't being let go because of all her comments though, I know she can be problematic but I don't think she deserves that as it would be horrible for her MT career. As I said though I doubt it as she was being so positive about the show on TV yesterday.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 25, 2022 23:18:27 GMT
Typical Carrie in other words. She seems to be incredibly arsey with the fans on SM, unless she happens to be telling them it’s ok to bring presents to her meet & greets. If you think sending a heart is being "arsey" it must be carnage round yours on Valentine's Day. If you’d have added a ❤️ or a x to the end of your post you’d have been using it in exactly the same way as Carrie does 😆
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Post by lolalou on Apr 25, 2022 23:33:08 GMT
Wonder if she’s involved in this She’s seems to be one of PTMs inner circle
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Post by lolalou on Apr 25, 2022 23:34:26 GMT
Think she mentioned something about a workshop for two weeks in her Twitter replies. So unfair to people who ha e booked to see her of so. Her schedule has been all over the place and the show was advertised in her name
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Post by musicbox on Apr 26, 2022 0:01:00 GMT
Wonder if she’s involved in this She’s seems to be one of PTMs inner circle I really hope not to be honest... I like Carrie but Heathers wasn't right for her in my opinion, every Veronica since has bettered her.
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Post by musicalcritical on Apr 26, 2022 1:24:44 GMT
When I first saw Cinderella, I didn't like the music but now it's grown on me. 'The Ball' is in my Spotify rotation
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Post by karloscar on Apr 26, 2022 8:30:13 GMT
It's not unusual for actors to do a workshop by day while performing in a long running show in the evening. Helps with future employment prospects.
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Post by cezbear on Apr 26, 2022 8:35:47 GMT
I wonder if Carrie's simply moved her leaving date to be a weekend, as it'll feel a bit more special, since it was previously a Wednesday (and she doesn't perform Weds eves so particularly odd to leave on a Weds mat). On the other hand if that's the case she could simply have said so. Hope her super fans hadn't booked it yet.
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Post by ladidah on Apr 26, 2022 8:37:45 GMT
Me too, it would be easier on everyone to have clear dates.
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 26, 2022 10:15:56 GMT
Me too, it would be easier on everyone to have clear dates. Why are we expecting this now. It hasn’t happened so far. Think the production team are just throwing names in a hat at this point. I’m doing next Wed mat
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2022 12:41:09 GMT
It isn't shaming to say that a professional musician should seek to engage with the basic building blocks of music. I am aware of professional singers who refuse to learn how to read music which then makes life much harder when it comes to learning new repertoire/working with a musical director and so forth. It is like travelling abroad to my mind. Taking the time to learn the basics of the language will make your life easier and that of those with whom you interact. No shame to those who for specific reasons cannot master the rudiments of musical notation. But it is a skill that can be quickly acquired. You don't need to learn how to play an instrument or start composing. You don't need to learn how to sight sing. But understanding notation will help immensely. Eh? What's the point of learning to read music if you're not going to use it to learn an instrument or sing? Pretty pointless. Plenty of very talented musicians and songwriters have done very well without formal training, and play by ear more creatively than those who have studied music theory. If you're good enough to hear something once and memorize it, you'll probably do better than someone who needs the notes in front of them to begin playing. Those are two extremes, but music doesn't always play by the rules, and has a history that stretches far beyond relatively recent Western method of putting dots on a staff. A lot of pop perfomers or composers cannot read music but can write great songs. Some wonderful musicians play superbly but cannot compose a note. In pop concerts you'll rarely seen sheet music but at a musical the band will always have it even when they play same songs night after night.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 26, 2022 15:45:00 GMT
Without musical notation systems, we would have lost centuries of music. The different schemes were developed so that musical performances could be replicated and essentially recorded.
There is nothing wrong in learning to play or sing by ear. But if you are going to enter the world of musicals as your career (as a performer) then I do not think it unreasonable to understand the basics of musical notation. You don't need to understand musical theory but it is so much easier to get to grips with your vocal line if you can follow along with the score with an understanding of what it means. You don't need to understand the harmonic progression or details of the orchestration. But it is helpful to understand the different note lengths, speed and volume instructions and so forth.
I can barely play the piano but I can play enough to look at a score and to play my line so I can learn it. Yes, someone could play and record it for me so I could learn it that way. But having the ability to look at a piece and to follow a vocal line is an incredibly useful tool to have in your kit.
I was probably be unusual in attending a state run primary school where music was taught at a very introductory level. But it was enough for me to then go on as a teenager to get Grade 5 theory just studying on my own with some past papers and a book.
But these days, there are a whole raft of resources out there tailored to a range of different learning styles to help people of all ages learn how to read music. Not become experts in music theory but just reading music.
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Post by christya on Apr 27, 2022 10:37:06 GMT
Honestly, I'm surprised to hear that there are professional performers who don't read music at all. I'm an amateur performer but consider the groups/companies I perform with to be fairly high level, and very few people cannot read music at all. It's considered a skill that we need, though how far each person takes it can vary. I'd have thought that there would be a pride in developing the skill, for professional performers.
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 27, 2022 11:05:55 GMT
Honestly, I'm surprised to hear that there are professional performers who don't read music at all. I'm an amateur performer but consider the groups/companies I perform with to be fairly high level, and very few people cannot read music at all. It's considered a skill that we need, though how far each person takes it can vary. I'd have thought that there would be a pride in developing the skill, for professional performers. Oh my goodness don’t let Miss Fletcher hear you say that in her vicinity. She set a whole bunch of her Hopefuls on some poor graduate last year for daring to suggest it should be part of the skill set taught for aspiring MT actors. He was accused of ‘showing his privilege’ She was savage in her condemnation.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 27, 2022 11:10:32 GMT
Yep, this was it. And the thread culminates in the classic “Carrie Block” 😆
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Post by stuartmcd on Apr 27, 2022 11:19:21 GMT
Yep, this was it. And the thread culminates in the classic “Carrie Block” 😆 But what she’s saying is correct
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 27, 2022 11:34:31 GMT
You can learn to read music by using free online resources. It doesn't cost anything. It isn't an expression of your privilege. It does take a bit of time and effort.
But you can do it.
CHF has long championed her own lack of formal training and it comes as no surprise that she voices this sort of opinion.
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Post by FairyGodmother on Apr 27, 2022 11:49:48 GMT
In fairness, I know a lot of people who can read music but can't sight sing to save their lives...
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 27, 2022 12:05:37 GMT
But no one is making the claim that being able to read music means you can sight sing or have perfect pitch or impeccable intonation.
Printed music is the foundation of a musical theatre score. Being able to follow it and have a basic comprehension of what the composer is seeking get you to do is not an unreasonable ask.
There will always be an element of note bashing at the start of any new production. But that process is faster if the people in the room all share the skill of reading the score.
Then you can get on to interpretation and all the other things that make for great performance. But it has to be built on a solid foundation.
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Post by Jon on Apr 27, 2022 12:16:29 GMT
I imagine Lionel Bart would have been shamed online for not being able to read or write music if he were still alive even though he had a huge hit in Oliver! as well as coming up with songs like Living Doll and From Russia with Love.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 27, 2022 12:31:00 GMT
Someone still had to work with Bart to take his ideas and put them down on paper so that people can still perform Oliver! to this day.
Not being able to read music didn't stop him from creating memorable tunes. But that isn't the point.
Music scores exist to enable others to perform those pieces. Learning the basics of how to read music makes preparing performance easier
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Post by couldileaveyou on Apr 27, 2022 12:39:51 GMT
Honestly, I'm surprised to hear that there are professional performers who don't read music at all. I'm an amateur performer but consider the groups/companies I perform with to be fairly high level, and very few people cannot read music at all. It's considered a skill that we need, though how far each person takes it can vary. I'd have thought that there would be a pride in developing the skill, for professional performers. It's not uncommon at all, a lot of big names like Michael Ball, Imelda Staunton, Angela Lansbury or Ramin Karimloo cannot read music. If even Pavarotti (allegedly) couldn't read music I reckon CHF will be fine.
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 27, 2022 13:04:29 GMT
Honestly, I'm surprised to hear that there are professional performers who don't read music at all. I'm an amateur performer but consider the groups/companies I perform with to be fairly high level, and very few people cannot read music at all. It's considered a skill that we need, though how far each person takes it can vary. I'd have thought that there would be a pride in developing the skill, for professional performers. It's not uncommon at all, a lot of big names like Michael Ball, Imelda Staunton, Angela Lansbury or Ramin Karimloo cannot read music. If even Pavarotti (allegedly) couldn't read music I reckon CHF will be fine. I’m sure she will be fine But there was no need for her to jump on the guy like that. Like any other job there is training available to improve while on it. I don’t see how suggesting learning to read music wouldn’t be advantageous in the world of musical theatre. I’m sure musical directors would find it much easier than note bashing with her or providing recordings for her to listen to and practise with. I
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