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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2022 12:32:53 GMT
Parts can be traumatic how actors can come down from playing a bully or being bullied in hard hitting roles I don't know. Matt Lucas when his ex took his life was in Pr**k Up Your Ears and the story and it's author were a very similar subject so he had to withdraw as he found it too traumatic I recall.
CHF has always been honest with the public perhaps a bit too much. I noticed she is doing a book launch/signing in my area next week which I think is still on so she is clearly trying to move on. I was sad to read that she and Oliver had split up as they seemed well suited and he had his own lower profile career which was ticking over nicely.
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Post by cezbear on Apr 8, 2022 12:42:41 GMT
I feel that it's rather unfair on the rest of the cast for her to have said this so publically. I can imagine it's going to be rather awkward now for the actresses playing the stepmother & stepsisters that they have to keep on delivering insulting lines to Cinderella while knowing that Carrie Hope Fletcher is really getting upset by them. They shouldn't be put in that position, made to potentially feel guilty just for doing their jobs & delivering the script. I agree with oxfordsimon , she should discuss her feelings with her family/friends or if necessary with a therapist rather than so publically. This is really what I keep coming back to as well. Hopefully she's been able to talk with the actresses since posting and clear it all up, but I can imagine it feeling quite uncomfortable for them having to deliver those lines to her, particularly VHB. Tbh I can imagine the audience having a little wince now hearing '...someone so shockingly plain!' delivered to her, if they've seen the post and/or article. It would probably make me feel a little uncomfortable watching any performer knowing they were struggling with takingthe character so personally. And honestly that's exactly why I don't think social media was the right place for this, audiences go to see a show, not be taken out of it because they know all about the personal life of a performer. Nothing to do with being unsympathetic to her struggles - I have PLENTY of my own - but I don't think this was healthy for her, her colleagues, or the show.
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Post by inthenose on Apr 8, 2022 12:49:07 GMT
I am very much in favour of normalising talking about mental health. It is vital that we can have those conversations openly and without fear of being judged. However social media posts are not the way to have those conversations. Text alone does not convey all the nuance and context necessary. Talk to your friends. Talk to your family. Talk to your colleagues. Talk to a trained professional. Don't post about it online. Absolutely agree.
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Post by lolalou on Apr 8, 2022 14:18:22 GMT
I am very much in favour of normalising talking about mental health. It is vital that we can have those conversations openly and without fear of being judged. However social media posts are not the way to have those conversations. Text alone does not convey all the nuance and context necessary. Talk to your friends. Talk to your family. Talk to your colleagues. Talk to a trained professional. Don't post about it online. I don't think it is your place or anyone else's to tell anyone where to have any such conversation! If we are going to normalise talking about mental health, as we should, then attitudes of boxing it in to certain contexts or spaces are hugely damaging. Some people may only feel comfortable putting such thoughts in writing, however public the context, and may find it cathartic to do so. It is not for you to tell them they are wrong or they shouldn't be allowed to. The person with the biggest family or group of friends in the world may still feel like they have no-one to talk to, or no-one they feel comfortable talking to. We have to normalise all forms of communication being safe spaces for mental health discourse, and saying don't put it online is not the way to do that, otherwise we aren't normalising mental health at all. And all of that is beside the fact that as someone with a social media profile Carrie's posts might well help others who are struggling with their mental health, which is also vital. But who is this public catharsis helping exactly apart from CHF? Genuine question. Not her ex who’s name has been dragged into a national newspaper. Not her cast mates who may feel uncomfortable delivering certain lines in the script. Not the theatre goers going to watch and being taken out of the magic by worrying about the actress on stage who is suffering at the dialogue delivered to her. Not the show as a whole. I imagine the atmosphere is very strange there at the moment and ALW and team must be wondering how to generate headlines about the show back to good ones because it’s been never ending drama from the start with shade being thrown at the boss.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2022 14:54:40 GMT
I don't think it is your place or anyone else's to tell anyone where to have any such conversation! If we are going to normalise talking about mental health, as we should, then attitudes of boxing it in to certain contexts or spaces are hugely damaging. Some people may only feel comfortable putting such thoughts in writing, however public the context, and may find it cathartic to do so. It is not for you to tell them they are wrong or they shouldn't be allowed to. The person with the biggest family or group of friends in the world may still feel like they have no-one to talk to, or no-one they feel comfortable talking to. We have to normalise all forms of communication being safe spaces for mental health discourse, and saying don't put it online is not the way to do that, otherwise we aren't normalising mental health at all. And all of that is beside the fact that as someone with a social media profile Carrie's posts might well help others who are struggling with their mental health, which is also vital. But who is this public catharsis helping exactly apart from CHF? Genuine question. Not her ex who’s name has been dragged into a national newspaper. Not her cast mates who may feel uncomfortable delivering certain lines in the script. Not the theatre goers going to watch and being taken out of the magic by worrying about the actress on stage who is suffering at the dialogue delivered to her. Not the show as a whole. I imagine the atmosphere is very strange there at the moment and ALW and team must be wondering how to generate headlines about the show back to good ones because it’s been never ending drama from the start with shade being thrown at the boss. You're asking a question no-one can truly answer because most people aren't public figures so the impact will never be seen, but probably some young girl somewhere who idolises CHF and sees that it is OK to speak out publicly about mental health and body image and to say "I'm not ok". Not all impacts have to be visible.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 8, 2022 17:23:57 GMT
The idea that social media is the appropriate forum to discuss your own mental health is anything other than the most general terms is just wrong.
You cannot properly convey feelings just through typing a short paragraph attached to a photograph.
You simply can't.
Social media is a great place to raise awareness about MH issues. It is a great place to campaign for better support for MH.
Also it is worth noting that there are many services out there for people who don't want to talk to friends or family. You can do so anonymously if necessary. There are services out there to support you through whatever you might be experiencing
Social media posts are open for comment by anyone. They get picked up by the media. You are not going to get the right sort of support and may well end up getting abuse that just won't help at all.
I have done a lot of work in MH support. I believe in talking openly about my own battles. Not to get sympathy. Not to get support or help. Not to get attention.
When I need help, I know where to turn. And that is the people who know me best or professionals who know to handle things.
We should talk about MH like any other health condition. But I wouldn't turn to Twitter to heal a broken bone. Just as I wouldn't use Facebook posts to resolve an anxiety attack.
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Post by lolalou on Apr 8, 2022 17:54:13 GMT
The idea that social media is the appropriate forum to discuss your own mental health is anything other than the most general terms is just wrong. You cannot properly convey feelings just through typing a short paragraph attached to a photograph. You simply can't. Social media is a great place to raise awareness about MH issues. It is a great place to campaign for better support for MH. Also it is worth noting that there are many services out there for people who don't want to talk to friends or family. You can do so anonymously if necessary. There are services out there to support you through whatever you might be experiencing Social media posts are open for comment by anyone. They get picked up by the media. You are not going to get the right sort of support and may well end up getting abuse that just won't help at all. I have done a lot of work in MH support. I believe in talking openly about my own battles. Not to get sympathy. Not to get support or help. Not to get attention. When I need help, I know where to turn. And that is the people who know me best or professionals who know to handle things. We should talk about MH like any other health condition. But I wouldn't turn to Twitter to heal a broken bone. Just as I wouldn't use Facebook posts to resolve an anxiety attack. All of this ^^^^ I think as influencers there is this pressure to share every last fart and which trouser leg it travelled down. There is an entire generation of people talking about their struggles online. I think the only awareness it raises is just how many people are struggling. I don’t see how anyone sharing any battle can ‘raise awareness’ other than highlight *their* struggles. Mental health is a spectrum. Outside of friends/family (if one is lucky enough to have that network) there is a multitude of support out there. Proper professional help a sycophantic or critical online community cannot provide. With posts like this one, at what point does it become voyeurism, misery porn or schadenfreude? Who is this helping? At what point do we recognise in highlighting *your* struggle your catharsis may have affected the mental health of others? I think if catharsis must only be found in writing things down then a private diary might be an idea (along with seeking help)
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Post by inthenose on Apr 8, 2022 18:06:57 GMT
And limiting stressors, recognising and preventing triggers and general management of anxiety inducing situations is therapy 101. That's assuming she is receiving the professional help she needs. Studies show that self-therapy through social media actually heightens negative mental health symptoms further in 70% of cases.
"In the 16 studies, anxiety and depression were the most commonly measured outcome. The prominent risk factors for anxiety and depression emerging from this study comprised time spent, activity, and addiction to social media. In today's world, anxiety is one of the basic mental health problems. People liked and commented on their uploaded photos and videos. In today's age, everyone is immune to the social media context. Some experience anxiety from social media related to fear of loss, with causes to try to respond and check all their friends' messages and messages on a regular basis.
On the contrary, depression is one of the unintended significances of unnecessary use of social media. In detail, depression is limited not only to Facebooks but also to other social networking sites, which causes psychological problems. A new study found that individuals who are involved in social media, games, texts, mobile phones, etc. are more likely to experience depression.
The previous study found a 70% increase in self-reported depressive symptoms among the group using social media."
Source: Journal of Social and Clinical Psychology, based on the summary abstract findings of 16 studies from papers published worldwide.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 8, 2022 18:21:59 GMT
Fully appreciate that this subject was brought up by Carrie herself on her socials. But if there’s a discussion to be had about mental health/social media then can someone start a separate thread in the General section please. We’re not going to discuss or speculate about CHF’s mental health on this forum.
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Post by lolalou on Apr 8, 2022 18:32:12 GMT
Fully appreciate that this subject was brought up by Carrie herself on her socials. But if there’s a discussion to be had about mental health then can someone start a separate thread in the General section please. We’re not going to discuss or speculate about CHF’s mental health on this forum. Fair dos BB. There’s indeed a discussion (outside of mental health) to be had though on how posting every last thought out of your brain can impact shows: in this case Cinderella (and Frozen also by association) and the public perception of them and the cast. Side note: did the bear in BB profile always looks so vexed? 😉
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 8, 2022 18:40:32 GMT
Fully appreciate that this subject was brought up by Carrie herself on her socials. But if there’s a discussion to be had about mental health then can someone start a separate thread in the General section please. We’re not going to discuss or speculate about CHF’s mental health on this forum. Fair dos BB. There’s indeed a discussion (outside of mental health) to be had though on how posting every last thought out of your brain can impact shows: in this case Cinderella (and Frozen also by association) and the public perception of them and the cast. Side note: did the bear in BB profile always looks so vexed? 😉 I only got vexed after modding this forum for a couple of years! In real life I am a cuddly teddy 😃 Comment about CHF as a performer (outside of her role in Cinderella) should go here here theatreboard.co.uk/thread/660/carrie-hope-fletcherRules about discussion of the private lives of performers here theatreboard.co.uk/thread/5946/rules-faq
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Post by richey on Apr 9, 2022 12:38:51 GMT
Are they really hoping that posting rubbish like this they will promote the show? Bizarre
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 9, 2022 14:09:49 GMT
More offers of £15 tickets online for the next couple of weeks. How is this even financially viable. It’s the Easter holidays I would’ve thought it would’ve sold out?
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Post by lolalou on Apr 10, 2022 13:51:32 GMT
I see CHF is out of the show again with post Covid throat. This board gave Jessie a hard time for her non explained absences. Surely Miss Fletcher has been off more than on?
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Post by stuartmcd on Apr 10, 2022 14:08:05 GMT
I see CHF is out of the show again with post Covid throat. This board gave Jessie a hard time for her non explained absences. Surely Miss Fletcher has been off more than on? You just need to look back through this thread to see that CHF has been given just as much a hard time as Jessie Buckley.
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Post by keekio2 on Apr 10, 2022 14:22:24 GMT
She’s probably out as it’s the oliviers and her co star is nominated so all the focus will be on her
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Post by richey on Apr 10, 2022 14:24:24 GMT
The bitchiness on this thread really is getting boring now.
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Post by inthenose on Apr 10, 2022 14:28:08 GMT
The bitchiness on this thread really is getting boring now. [br People don't like the show, it's doing poorly for a reason. A lot of people don't like CHF. Everyone is entitled to say their piece within the board rules, whether you or the "be kind" echo chamber of hypocrisy like it or not. If you have something interesting or salient to add, please jump in. I personally find nothing more boring than someone posting to say they're bored. Not exactly advancing the conversation, is it?
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Post by lolalou on Apr 10, 2022 14:40:22 GMT
Are they really hoping that posting rubbish like this they will promote the show? Bizarre And a little odd considering your earlier post? 🤔 Is it only you who gets to decide the direction the conversation is going in? It’s fair game to comment that a promo featuring the alternate is ‘rubbish’ and ‘bizarre’ but not notice that the leading lady is out - again?
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Post by Oliver on Apr 10, 2022 16:19:48 GMT
The bitchiness on this thread really is getting boring now. [br People don't like the show, it's doing poorly for a reason. A lot of people don't like CHF. Everyone is entitled to say their piece within the board rules, whether you or the "be kind" echo chamber of hypocrisy like it or not. If you have something interesting or salient to add, please jump in. I personally find nothing more boring than someone posting to say they're bored. Not exactly advancing the conversation, is it? The fact that its run has been extended until the new year means it's at least doing pretty well, not a hit show but quite successful.
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Post by FairyGodmother on Apr 10, 2022 16:35:29 GMT
I think she has an alternate, has had covid and some holidays hasn't she? Plus some sort of swap around Valentine's Day.
I feel like I know what's been going on with her a lot more than Jessie Buckley anyway, and I haven't been paying that much attention...
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Post by FairyGodmother on Apr 10, 2022 16:42:41 GMT
I'm a bit disappointed with the show. I'm too young for ALW's big shows, but was a good age for his BBC searches. I've liked Emerald as an actress, and the lyrics in Hercules/Mulan/City of Angels. I wanted Cinderella to be as good as Phantom!
I still quite fancy reading the story as a book that hasn't had songs added and been cut about to maybe it work as a play, because I feel like there were some good ideas/subplots that got lost (mainly to do with the Godmother).
I'd also like the Queen's backstory, and how passing on the throne works, because in the musical it makes no sense. If she had a past and married the King, when he died, Charming should have become king. If she is the royal and Queen in her own right, then how did she have a past?
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Post by scarpia on Apr 10, 2022 17:20:33 GMT
[br People don't like the show, it's doing poorly for a reason. A lot of people don't like CHF. Everyone is entitled to say their piece within the board rules, whether you or the "be kind" echo chamber of hypocrisy like it or not. If you have something interesting or salient to add, please jump in. I personally find nothing more boring than someone posting to say they're bored. Not exactly advancing the conversation, is it? The fact that its run has been extended until the new year means it's at least doing pretty well, not a hit show but quite successful. Not necessarily. Love Never Dies's box office died a hard death quite early on into the run, and the producers basically papered the house for the last six months of the run. It was only able to last the 18 months it did because RUG co-owned the theatre, and in this case RUG fully owns the theatre. Optics-wise papering can make something look to be more successful than it really is, and here there is a motivation to do that: not wanting to jeopardise a potential Broadway transfer (and that was certainly the reason in LND's case, although in the end it never did make it to New York). Until/unless the West End follows the Broadway practice of publishing weekly grosses, it's difficult to tell how it's doing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2022 17:40:43 GMT
Yeah long extensions have long been a sign a show is in trouble. Its a way of trying to increase an advance and gauge interest.
The exception being the mega long runners of course.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 10, 2022 18:29:16 GMT
When is this due to open on Broadway? They were sending out casting breakdowns weren't they?
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