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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 5, 2022 11:28:39 GMT
The post which started the discussion about CHF’s struggles has also been removed at the request of the OP, so the rest of the discussion arising from that has been removed too.
Probably for the best given the tone of some of the posts which followed. Whilst Carrie chose to put it “out there” on her socials it’s probably best that we don’t get involved in discussing the mental health of actors.
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Post by galinda on Apr 6, 2022 11:04:59 GMT
Does anyone know if the signed cd they released is the same as the 2 disc standard cast recording or is it some special concept studio type album? Saw one on eBay and the seller doesn’t know.
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Post by danb on Apr 6, 2022 11:10:44 GMT
There has only been one recording released, so yes, it will be the same.
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Post by galinda on Apr 6, 2022 11:12:57 GMT
There has only been one recording released, so yes, it will be the same. Thanks for your reply! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 7:41:44 GMT
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Post by cezbear on Apr 7, 2022 7:58:42 GMT
Slow news day? I wonder how, in general, this sort of thing might affect hiring people based on their social media following in future. Clearly a double edged sword and I don't think it's really worked out too well overall in this case.
Edited to say: Then again I also wonder if all publicity is good publicity though. I mean it keeps it in the news...
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Post by lolalou on Apr 7, 2022 8:18:55 GMT
Slow news day? I wonder how, in general, this sort of thing might affect hiring people based on their social media following in future. Clearly a double edged sword and I don't think it's really worked out too well overall in this case.
Edited to say: Then again I also wonder if all publicity is good publicity though. I mean it keeps it in the news...
The audience worrying about the lead being tortured by the dialogue while performing not probably the vibe Andy was going for though 🤔 |
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Post by ladidah on Apr 7, 2022 8:31:41 GMT
It's a shame that her mental health has to be mocked and used for column inches.
It also makes you feel awkward about wanting to see her portrayal, knowing it's starting to make her feel bad about herself.
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Post by inthenose on Apr 7, 2022 8:47:30 GMT
The kindest thing to do under the circumstances is not see the show.
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Post by horton on Apr 7, 2022 12:34:04 GMT
It seems pretty clear she is not cut out to be an actor. Sheila Hancock managed not to become a cannibal after playing Mrs Lovett, and Diana Rigg didn't start murdering children ater her stint in 'Medea'. I hear Elaine Paige never took to scent-marking the furniture after her run in 'Cats'.
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Post by cezbear on Apr 7, 2022 12:42:49 GMT
I hear Elaine Paige never took to scent-marking the furniture after her run in 'Cats'.  best comment I've read all year |
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Post by danb on Apr 7, 2022 18:20:21 GMT
I actually found what she said quite genuine. She’s had a real battering this year and it’s highly likely she is feeling sensitive. She might want to look at her own behaviour first before blaming imaginary characters in a musical. Karma is a bitch isn’t it?
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Post by steve10086 on Apr 7, 2022 19:32:33 GMT
screenrant.com/golden-girls-show-bea-arthur-exit-reasons/amp/“ The same tell-all also revealed that Arthur was actually offended by how much the show poked fun at her character. Colucci revealed that while White, Getty, McClanahan were less phased about below-the-belt jokes when it came to their characters, their co-star, ultimately struggled. Perhaps that explains Arthur not taking part in a Golden Girls reunion on the 1990s sitcom Ladies Man. “Unfortunately, the things that were said about Dorothy were that she was big and ugly. And that wears on an actress after a while,” the author shared.”
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Post by d'James on Apr 7, 2022 19:34:06 GMT
screenrant.com/golden-girls-show-bea-arthur-exit-reasons/amp/“ The same tell-all also revealed that Arthur was actually offended by how much the show poked fun at her character. Colucci revealed that while White, Getty, McClanahan were less phased about below-the-belt jokes when it came to their characters, their co-star, ultimately struggled. Perhaps that explains Arthur not taking part in a Golden Girls reunion on the 1990s sitcom Ladies Man. “Unfortunately, the things that were said about Dorothy were that she was big and ugly. And that wears on an actress after a while,” the author shared.” That’s exactly the story I thought of as well. Those lines were specifically written about Bea Arthur though. |
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Post by lolalou on Apr 7, 2022 20:01:45 GMT
screenrant.com/golden-girls-show-bea-arthur-exit-reasons/amp/“ The same tell-all also revealed that Arthur was actually offended by how much the show poked fun at her character. Colucci revealed that while White, Getty, McClanahan were less phased about below-the-belt jokes when it came to their characters, their co-star, ultimately struggled. Perhaps that explains Arthur not taking part in a Golden Girls reunion on the 1990s sitcom Ladies Man. “Unfortunately, the things that were said about Dorothy were that she was big and ugly. And that wears on an actress after a while,” the author shared.” That’s exactly the story I thought of as well. Those lines were specifically written about Bea Arthur though. Yes a more personal attack on someone physical size is quite different to generic fairy tale trope dialogue that can’t possibly insult everyone playing the role. All three of the women sharing the role are gorgeous talented women. I think it’s just the place she’s found herself at present. Maybe it’s covered in training how to deal with this kind of thing. I know Carrie is quite proud of her background as a non trained actress but maybe this sort of stuff ie: remembering it’s a role not personal is covered somewhere and might’ve built up resilience |
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Post by steve10086 on Apr 7, 2022 21:02:43 GMT
screenrant.com/golden-girls-show-bea-arthur-exit-reasons/amp/“ The same tell-all also revealed that Arthur was actually offended by how much the show poked fun at her character. Colucci revealed that while White, Getty, McClanahan were less phased about below-the-belt jokes when it came to their characters, their co-star, ultimately struggled. Perhaps that explains Arthur not taking part in a Golden Girls reunion on the 1990s sitcom Ladies Man. “Unfortunately, the things that were said about Dorothy were that she was big and ugly. And that wears on an actress after a while,” the author shared.” That’s exactly the story I thought of as well. Those lines were specifically written about Bea Arthur though. But still written about the character, unless you’re implying the writers actually believed Bea Arthur to be ugly? |
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Post by d'James on Apr 7, 2022 22:01:04 GMT
That’s exactly the story I thought of as well. Those lines were specifically written about Bea Arthur though. But still written about the character, unless you’re implying the writers actually believed Bea Arthur to be ugly? I guess we’ll never know, but they wrote new episodes every week, specifically about that actress. I guess at the beginning they all say ‘oh I can take a joke,’ but when it’s new insults every week I could see it wearing after seven series. You also don’t want to be the ‘difficult’ one, the ‘serious’ one etc. A role in a musical isn’t written for just one actor to play forever, even if it is catered to them a bit at the beginning. You know what the insults are for the whole of your contract, if they start wearing, you can get specific help on how to deal with those words for the next six months (or more), when they are new words every week, possibly changed on the night of filming, you cannot 100% prepare. To be fair to Carrie, I can completely see where she’s coming from. The situation with her and Bea Arthur is similar but not the same. |
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Post by inthenose on Apr 7, 2022 22:04:48 GMT
Rocky Horror casts have literally hundreds of people calling them obscene names, repeatedly, eight shows a week.
Edit, additional: I suspect, and frankly hope for everyone's sake including the show and Fletcher's own happiness, that this is the end for Carrie Hope Fletcher in this show, and they can reach an early exit agreement.
With that in mind, given her current mental health issues and given her prior comments about stage fright/anxiety when performing in new/different venues after the WEL incident, I also think her touring right now would seem to be an odd and very risky decision.
She wouldn't want to hear this, but she would also perhaps benefit from perhaps tempering her social media output until she is in a better place mentally.
Until things get sorted, it will be drama after drama from her, as it has been frankly since this show opened, and I don't think anyone wants that. Not her, not her fans, not people who want for the best for new shows in the West End such as this one.
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Post by singingbird on Apr 8, 2022 8:12:26 GMT
I wouldn't want to comment personally on CHF, as I firmly believe that whatever anyone is going through, it's not up to anyone else to comment or criticise. We all have our own demons and they don't have to make sense to anyone else - indeed, the more personal and (seemingly) inexplicable a personal demon is, the more it can hurt us, because not only do we suffer, we also know no-one else can understand.
What I genuinely don't get is that, surely, all the characters doing the name calling in Cinderella are presented as (and proved to be) shallow, mean and narcissistic. Cinderella (and Sebastian) are clearly presented as the 'intelligent, beautiful and sympathetic' characters, certainly in relation to pretty much everyone else. That's the whole point of the show (as far as it has a point, which is debatable - but that's another story, one we've discussed ad infinitum.) Still, what she feels is what she feels and I wouldn't ever judge someone on that.
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Post by ladidah on Apr 8, 2022 8:25:19 GMT
Yes, I agree that in a better frame of mind she would remember that her character is sassy, smarter than everyone else, etc. But I guess when you are going through a break-up people calling you odd and ugly would feel more hurtful.
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Post by FairyGodmother on Apr 8, 2022 9:20:07 GMT
I think people reckon it takes about a month per year to get over a relationship doesn't it? And she was going out with him for a long time, and living with him. Plus of course the lockdowns together. It sounds like it was a nasty shock for her, so I'm not surprised she's still feeling a bit fragile.
Having said that, the audience are all on her side in Cinders, and the townspeople are meant to seem shallow! I can see how the comments about not getting a husband could sting a bit under the circumstances though.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 8, 2022 10:54:13 GMT
I am very much in favour of normalising talking about mental health. It is vital that we can have those conversations openly and without fear of being judged.
However social media posts are not the way to have those conversations. Text alone does not convey all the nuance and context necessary.
Talk to your friends. Talk to your family. Talk to your colleagues. Talk to a trained professional.
Don't post about it online.
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 8, 2022 12:16:57 GMT
I feel that it's rather unfair on the rest of the cast for her to have said this so publically. I can imagine it's going to be rather awkward now for the actresses playing the stepmother & stepsisters that they have to keep on delivering insulting lines to Cinderella while knowing that Carrie Hope Fletcher is really getting upset by them. They shouldn't be put in that position, made to potentially feel guilty just for doing their jobs & delivering the script. I agree with oxfordsimon, she should discuss her feelings with her family/friends or if necessary with a therapist rather than so publically. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2022 12:27:21 GMT
screenrant.com/golden-girls-show-bea-arthur-exit-reasons/amp/“ The same tell-all also revealed that Arthur was actually offended by how much the show poked fun at her character. Colucci revealed that while White, Getty, McClanahan were less phased about below-the-belt jokes when it came to their characters, their co-star, ultimately struggled. Perhaps that explains Arthur not taking part in a Golden Girls reunion on the 1990s sitcom Ladies Man. “Unfortunately, the things that were said about Dorothy were that she was big and ugly. And that wears on an actress after a while,” the author shared.” I never knew that was why she left. Bea's character was the stronger of the 3 ladies aged the same but was undermined by her mother who spoke her mind but didn't Sophia have some sort of medical issue that she had no filter about what she said. I know I put it on another post but I recall Bea on the Pammy Anderson roast and she was having a great time and being mocked for her manly voice and it suggested her manhood rivaled Tommy Lee's. Bea was totally up for the fun despite being at least 80 then and was giving as good as she got. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2022 12:28:45 GMT
I am very much in favour of normalising talking about mental health. It is vital that we can have those conversations openly and without fear of being judged. However social media posts are not the way to have those conversations. Text alone does not convey all the nuance and context necessary. Talk to your friends. Talk to your family. Talk to your colleagues. Talk to a trained professional. Don't post about it online. I don't think it is your place or anyone else's to tell anyone where to have any such conversation! If we are going to normalise talking about mental health, as we should, then attitudes of boxing it in to certain contexts or spaces are hugely damaging. Some people may only feel comfortable putting such thoughts in writing, however public the context, and may find it cathartic to do so. It is not for you to tell them they are wrong or they shouldn't be allowed to. The person with the biggest family or group of friends in the world may still feel like they have no-one to talk to, or no-one they feel comfortable talking to. We have to normalise all forms of communication being safe spaces for mental health discourse, and saying don't put it online is not the way to do that, otherwise we aren't normalising mental health at all. And all of that is beside the fact that as someone with a social media profile Carrie's posts might well help others who are struggling with their mental health, which is also vital. |
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