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Post by LaLuPone on Feb 6, 2022 11:16:41 GMT
Yes that was must have been it. How awful. Apologies if my post before seemed a bit insensitive as I didn’t know the whole story.
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Post by musicbox on Feb 6, 2022 11:25:59 GMT
Am I right in saying you had mentioned you were also in the front row? If so I was wondering did you also hear the two women in the fourth row talking incessantly? Maybe it was more noticeable from my seat, but there were two women sat in row D of the stalls who literally whispered to each other throughout the whole show and started talking louder during musical numbers as if that meant the music would drown them out and not disturb others. I was trying not to let it annoy me, but it was so frustrating during quieter moments hearing a constant “psst psst” behind me. On the way out I overheard one of them saying to the other “Yeah the main girl has a good voice, but I don’t need to hear it for that long”…you have to wonder why some people bother showing up! I didn’t hear those women but they would have been completely overshadowed by what was going on in Row C to be honest! There were two boys probably about early 20s sat a few seats over from me who had some of the worst behaviour I’ve ever seen in a theatre. They were pretty drunk, guzzling prosecco all through Act I, and loudly talked and giggled with each other through most of Act I. The worst bits were when Carrie first came on and after Bad Cinderella they screamed “go on Carrie love, we luvvs ya Carrie” etc. and also during I Know You which they loudly sang along to. I went off to the loo at the beginning of the interval and sought out an usher when I came back to see if someone could have a word with them, but ended up interrupting a conversation with some crying girls in the front row who said they’d called them lesbians and pushed past them or something. I was a bit confused how simply being called a lesbian would make you cry or is even an insult, especially as the two boys were very clearly gay themselves, but I didn’t get involved. To be fair maybe they’d called these girls homophobic slurs rather than just lesbians and they didn’t want to repeat, who knows. Anyway, they were chucked out because of this and their terrible behaviour in Act I so Act II went by much more smoothly. Wow, I feel as if a lot of things I was wondering about have been answered now! I did the hear some of the ignorant screams from the two young men, but thankfully from where I was sitting it was more distant and didn’t affect me, I could really only hear them go crazy every time Victoria Hamilton Barrit came on. The thing it answers for me though is that Carrie approached a girl in the front row and blew her a kiss during the bows and I was wondering if it was a friend or theatre star, but looking at the tweet that was posted here it appears to be the girl who was upset and called slurs. Maybe the news got back to Carrie and she decided to show her some love? That’s pretty nice of her to do if so. There really is no excuse for their behaviour, I’m also in my 20s and wouldn’t dream of acting like that. I felt that the entire audience was just a bit annoying on Friday to be honest though, there was so many people chatting, drinking, clunking wine glasses and rusting sweet bags. Also don’t get me started on those tubes of crisps they sell, those should be banned!
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Post by edi on Feb 6, 2022 13:35:42 GMT
I was in the front row too and I actually thought those boys knew the cast or something because they seemed to laugh and cheer before the jokes even happened.
I was glad those girls and many others complained, was glad to see those boys taken out. Felt sorry for the girls though.
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Post by ceebee on Feb 6, 2022 18:15:29 GMT
No such drama at today's performance, thankfully. A fair few understudies/alternates on this afternoon (Cinderella, Sebastian, Stepmother) and they were all excellent. The show felt pacier today and some of the gaps that used to bother me have been bridged. And what has happened to the curtain call? Seems to have been given steroids since I last saw it, with high energy and proper bows/recognition for each part. Feels like this show is being tweaked ahead of Broadway - I very much prefer the amplified crudity of some of it, which seems to have gone up a notch.
The dress circle was closed today so I guess the theatre was 2/3 full. I'm not convinced it will stay in the GL much longer, though am not sure ALW's ego would allow it to close ahead of a Broadway opening.
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Post by musicbox on Feb 6, 2022 18:56:14 GMT
No such drama at today's performance, thankfully. A fair few understudies/alternates on this afternoon (Cinderella, Sebastian, Stepmother) and they were all excellent. The show felt pacier today and some of the gaps that used to bother me have been bridged. And what has happened to the curtain call? Seems to have been given steroids since I last saw it, with high energy and proper bows/recognition for each part. Feels like this show is being tweaked ahead of Broadway - I very much prefer the amplified crudity of some of it, which seems to have gone up a notch. The dress circle was closed today so I guess the theatre was 2/3 full. I'm not convinced it will stay in the GL much longer, though am not sure ALW's ego would allow it to close ahead of a Broadway opening. Good to hear! Georgina is brilliant and the first Cinderella I seen in December, but today actually was supposed to be a Carrie show - does anyone know why she wasn't on? There's been pretty much radio silence on her socials since her breakup last month so no mention from her today.
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Post by theatreskimmer on Feb 6, 2022 19:19:01 GMT
Hi, new member here 👋 It’s really interesting to see the responses about this production. It really didn’t leave me feeling anything at all. Slightly cold but not any strong feeling for or against it. Did anyone else feel this way?
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Post by scarpia on Feb 6, 2022 19:41:11 GMT
Hi, new member here 👋 It’s really interesting to see the responses about this production. It really didn’t leave me feeling anything at all. Slightly cold but not any strong feeling for or against it. Did anyone else feel this way? Given the most popular star-rating on this board has been 3/5, I doubt you're alone. I was left cold by it, but I went for 2 stars on the basis of what I saw...I thought the direction was woeful, the production values poor, and the material shaky. I think it is salvageable but to do that you'd need to get rid of ALW in his producing role and have him stick to composing only, which won't happen. That's a lovely gesture.
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Post by scarlett3 on Feb 6, 2022 19:42:25 GMT
No such drama at today's performance, thankfully. A fair few understudies/alternates on this afternoon (Cinderella, Sebastian, Stepmother) and they were all excellent. The show felt pacier today and some of the gaps that used to bother me have been bridged. And what has happened to the curtain call? Seems to have been given steroids since I last saw it, with high energy and proper bows/recognition for each part. Feels like this show is being tweaked ahead of Broadway - I very much prefer the amplified crudity of some of it, which seems to have gone up a notch. The dress circle was closed today so I guess the theatre was 2/3 full. I'm not convinced it will stay in the GL much longer, though am not sure ALW's ego would allow it to close ahead of a Broadway opening. Good to hear! Georgina is brilliant and the first Cinderella I seen in December, but today actually was supposed to be a Carrie show - does anyone know why she wasn't on? There's been pretty much radio silence on her socials since her breakup last month so no mention from her today. Carrie's holidays post shows 1-6 February as being among her days off, I'm guessing she cancelled a few days off so she could be there when the show reopened this week but maybe she still took her planned one today?
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Post by musicbox on Feb 6, 2022 19:50:55 GMT
Good to hear! Georgina is brilliant and the first Cinderella I seen in December, but today actually was supposed to be a Carrie show - does anyone know why she wasn't on? There's been pretty much radio silence on her socials since her breakup last month so no mention from her today. Carrie's holidays post shows 1-6 February as being among her days off, I'm guessing she cancelled a few days off so she could be there when the show reopened this week but maybe she still took her planned one today? Ah ok, that makes sense. Carrie does seem to take a lot of time off though to be honest. I seen the show on the 9th December and specifically booked that show as it was listed as a Carrie show on her Twitter, but when I got there Georgina was on and I found out Carrie had taken the night off to sing at a Princess Diana tribute. I was really disappointed at first but in the end I was happy as Georgina was brilliant (A much better actress than Carrie in my opinion, although I prefer Carrie vocally). I also saw Michael Hamway as Sebastian in December and thought his vocal was incredible, it's criminal that he has such a small part in the ensemble usually.
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Post by max on Feb 6, 2022 20:06:31 GMT
Good to hear! Georgina is brilliant and the first Cinderella I seen in December, but today actually was supposed to be a Carrie show - does anyone know why she wasn't on? There's been pretty much radio silence on her socials since her breakup last month so no mention from her today. Carrie's holidays post shows 1-6 February as being among her days off, I'm guessing she cancelled a few days off so she could be there when the show reopened this week but maybe she still took her planned one today? I noticed someone complain on Twitter about travelling a long way and being disappointed not to get Carrie today - "they could have sent an email" was the comment. Checked the website, and while Carrie's social media seems to have a screengrab of official show info, the website currently says: "Carrie Hope Fletcher will not be performing on 22-24 March, 19-24 April and 20-22 May [subject to change]. Georgina Onuorah will be playing the part of Cinderella in these performances." Strange. Are they really so 'on it' in the website dept that they deleted reference to performances past, on the very day of 6th Feb? I doubt it, particularly as.... The website's FAQ section is titled with a typo: "Frequency Asked Questions". Frequency?? Hardly inspires confidence in the very segment you need it to. Okay show folks/producers - it's back. Someone should be managing this thing with a velvet glove and a rod of iron. Announce who is on - clearly and emphatically, and unless they're seriously indisposed they should be ON. The impression already is that it is fraying at the edges, just days after reopening. Maybe they are planned absences, or unavoidable, but the MANAGEMENT of it makes it appear to be going wrong at the earliest moment (even if it isn't)! I've not seen it but would like to see Ivano. I have little confidence I would see him. Is everyone having a go at playing Sebastian? Can I pop in for a go? Upthread I've been amongst those leading the 'ah but....' sympathy over a show I haven't seen, but.... get professional, and just frickin get on with it!!!!! Some say the drama on stage isn't that great, but whatever it is like, let the drama be confined to the stage - finally.
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Post by musicbox on Feb 6, 2022 20:17:12 GMT
Carrie's holidays post shows 1-6 February as being among her days off, I'm guessing she cancelled a few days off so she could be there when the show reopened this week but maybe she still took her planned one today? I noticed someone complain on Twitter about travelling a long way and being disappointed not to get Carrie today - "they could have sent an email" was the comment. Checked the website, and while Carrie's social media seems to have a screengrab of official show info, the website currently says: "Carrie Hope Fletcher will not be performing on 22-24 March, 19-24 April and 20-22 May [subject to change]. Georgina Onuorah will be playing the part of Cinderella in these performances." Strange. Are they really so 'on it' in the website dept that they deleted reference to performances past, on the very day of 6th Feb? I doubt it, particularly as.... The website's FAQ section is titled with a typo: "Frequency Asked Questions". Frequency?? Hardly inspires confidence in the very segment you need it to. Okay show folks/producers - it's back. Someone should be managing this thing with a velvet glove and a rod of iron. Announce who is on - clearly and emphatically, and unless they're seriously indisposed they should be ON. The impression already is that it is fraying at the edges, just days after reopening. Maybe they are planned absences, or unavoidable, but the MANAGEMENT of it makes it appear to be going wrong at the earliest moment (even if it isn't)! I've not seen it but would like to see Ivano. I have little confidence I would see him. Is everyone having a go at playing Sebastian? Can I pop in for a go? Upthread I've been amongst those leading the 'ah but....' sympathy over a show I haven't seen, but.... get professional, and just frickin get on with it!!!!! Some say the drama on stage isn't that great, but whatever it is, let the drama be confined to the stage - finally. I completely agree to be honest! I don't want to start a debate here, but I totally disagree with the 'you pay to see the show' mindset. Yes of course you pay to see the show, but it's only natural that people might have a preference for a particular actor that they want to see, so if they are advertised as being on but aren't it's obviously annoying. Illness or unavoidable absences are obviously inevitable and forgivable, but the first time I went Carrie was essentially at a party that wasn't mentioned when I booked, so it did kind of rub me up the wrong way. I got over it though and am now glad I seen two versions.
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Post by max on Feb 6, 2022 20:25:20 GMT
Thanks Musicbox - and I rather regret potentially restarting a whole debate we've had ad nauseum on here, and which I've tried to dampen down at certain moments. But there it is, the whole thing has worn sympathy and credibility very thin. I don't really care about defending what I'm only guessing might be defensible.
It's a fact that we've passed the era where it was lauded to either damage yourself or others with bravery over health (physical and mental), and I'm okay with that. But it's still worth a look at this comment by Tim Rice, talking about David Essex in the premiere cast of 'Evita' - even though it goes to the other extreme:
"I remember on the opening day of rehearsals saying to him, out of interest, "Who is your understudy?" and he said: "It doesn't matter, he won't be doing it." And it was true. At one point David had German measles and still went on - we had to issue leaflets to the first five rows saying any pregnant women should ask to be moved because a member of the cast might be infectious".
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Post by cezbear on Feb 6, 2022 20:29:25 GMT
Carrie's holidays post shows 1-6 February as being among her days off, I'm guessing she cancelled a few days off so she could be there when the show reopened this week but maybe she still took her planned one today? I noticed someone complain on Twitter about travelling a long way and being disappointed not to get Carrie today - "they could have sent an email" was the comment. Checked the website, and while Carrie's social media seems to have a screengrab of official show info, the website currently says: "Carrie Hope Fletcher will not be performing on 22-24 March, 19-24 April and 20-22 May [subject to change]. Georgina Onuorah will be playing the part of Cinderella in these performances." Strange. Are they really so 'on it' in the website dept that they deleted reference to performances past, on the very day of 6th Feb? I doubt it, particularly as.... The website's FAQ section is titled with a typo: "Frequency Asked Questions". Frequency?? Hardly inspires confidence in the very segment you need it to. Okay show folks/producers - it's back. Someone should be managing this thing with a velvet glove and a rod of iron. Announce who is on - clearly and emphatically, and unless they're seriously indisposed they should be ON. The impression already is that it is fraying at the edges, just days after reopening. Maybe they are planned absences, or unavoidable, but the MANAGEMENT of it makes it appear to be going wrong at the earliest moment (even if it isn't)! I've not seen it but would like to see Ivano. I have little confidence I would see him. Is everyone having a go at playing Sebastian? Can I pop in for a go? Upthread I've been amongst those leading the 'ah but....' sympathy over a show I haven't seen, but.... get professional, and just frickin get on with it!!!!! Some say the drama on stage isn't that great, but whatever it is like, let the drama be confined to the stage - finally. I agree with most of this, but Ivano's not frequently been off. He's off today for Camelot and was off a bit in previews with a hand injury, but the only frequent unexplained absences seem to be Carrie's, which is unfortunate given those are the ones that seem to upset people. I do wish they'd publish holidays for all of the main cast and not just Carrie though, Wicked manage it.
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Post by max on Feb 6, 2022 20:34:49 GMT
I agree with most of this, but Ivano's not frequently been off. He's off today for Camelot and was off a bit in previews with a hand injury, but the only frequent unexplained absences seem to be Carrie's, which is unfortunate given those are the ones that seem to upset people. I do wish they'd publish holidays for all of the main cast and not just Carrie though, Wicked manage it.
Exactly. Publish the info and then it doesn't appear to be fraying at the seams. Managers?.... MANAGE!
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Post by cezbear on Feb 6, 2022 20:37:23 GMT
I imagine management think the only person people are interested in is Carrie.
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Post by max on Feb 6, 2022 20:43:00 GMT
I imagine management think the only person people are interested in is Carrie. Hence all their energies going into making her appearance dates so crystal clear, lol. Even she had to pin the schedule to her Twitter with an apology for the lack of a clear stated pattern from management, when they finally woke up. Well I'd like to see Ivano, so info welcome. Certainly wouldn't want to see him in a concert of 'Camelot' - I'm not THAT interested! hehe
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Post by Jon on Feb 6, 2022 20:47:41 GMT
Can we take bets on who he'll blame once this closes in London? His usual go-tos are the designer and the cast. Very occasionally the director. And sometimes he blames his own audience (i.e. the Internet)...he seemed to think a certain other message board that existed at the time of a previous bomb was full of "fake and malicious bloggers", IIRC. My guess is he'll lay the blame on the cast this time based on what's happened to date. The Government for not supporting the show would be a good excuse and perhaps he'll threaten to sell his theatres again,
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 6, 2022 20:56:44 GMT
Tim Rice, talking about David Essex in the premiere cast of 'Evita' - even though it goes to the other extreme: "I remember on the opening day of rehearsals saying to him, out of interest, "Who is your understudy?" and he said: "It doesn't matter, he won't be doing it." And it was true. At one point David had German measles and still went on - we had to issue leaflets to the first five rows saying any pregnant women should ask to be moved because a member of the cast might be infectious". I not condoning it but round of applause to David Essex who clearly knew what side his bread was buttered on!
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Post by sweets7 on Feb 6, 2022 23:44:06 GMT
Thanks Musicbox - and I rather regret potentially restarting a whole debate we've had ad nauseum on here, and which I've tried to dampen down at certain moments. But there it is, the whole thing has worn sympathy and credibility very thin. I don't really care about defending what I'm only guessing might be defensible. It's a fact that we've passed the era where it was lauded to either damage yourself or others with bravery over health (physical and mental), and I'm okay with that. But it's still worth a look at this comment by Tim Rice, talking about David Essex in the premiere cast of 'Evita' - even though it goes to the other extreme: "I remember on the opening day of rehearsals saying to him, out of interest, "Who is your understudy?" and he said: "It doesn't matter, he won't be doing it." And it was true. At one point David had German measles and still went on - we had to issue leaflets to the first five rows saying any pregnant women should ask to be moved because a member of the cast might be infectious". Given how dangerous German Measles is I feel this was grossly neglegent and would not get by health and safety now. Who gets german meascles anyone anyway. Kts practocally been eradicated through MMR and Rubella vaccines.
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Post by ladidah on Feb 7, 2022 9:25:37 GMT
If they would make it really clear and obvious - not just a Insta highlights - who is performing in a schedule it would help the show's image as being a show where you could see anyone at any time.
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Post by cezbear on Feb 7, 2022 9:55:20 GMT
If they would make it really clear and obvious - not just a Insta highlights - who is performing in a schedule it would help the show's image as being a show where you could see anyone at any time.
I agree, but also not just this show - Wicked is good about it and maybe some others are? But mostly I struggle to find official schedules for performers and it would be really useful. Mostly for me because I tend to want to see covers if I like a show, but obviously lots of people have a particular lead they don't want to miss. I wish all shows would be better about this.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 7, 2022 10:34:35 GMT
You pay to see Cinderella, you’ll see Cinderella… 😌
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Post by cezbear on Feb 7, 2022 10:40:53 GMT
You pay to see Cinderella, you’ll see Cinderella… 😌 Hi Carrie
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Post by TallPaul on Feb 7, 2022 11:51:22 GMT
From The Stage: "Lloyd Webber: We've reworked Cinderella to give audiences the show they deserve."
Well that'll learn everyone who paid to see it previously!
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Post by danb on Feb 7, 2022 12:12:10 GMT
He can’t really be so tone deaf to have said that out loud…publicly…to an audience? Surely? I shall claim my refunds for the performance I attended then, given that it wasn’t the one I deserved? When did he say this?
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