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Post by mrbarnaby on Dec 21, 2021 19:47:28 GMT
What rubbish. They are clearly doing work on the show.
If he’s pretending this is a covid related pause- Are the cast being paid?
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Post by inthenose on Dec 21, 2021 19:53:54 GMT
I reckon everything is shutting down in January for a firebreak, this will be the first of many.
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Post by marob on Dec 21, 2021 20:02:16 GMT
What makes people think they’re changing it? They’ve had multiple shutdowns now and from what I’ve read here it doesn’t sound as if they’ve made many changes at all beyond a few lines or slight trimming down, even after the article from Baz saying they were changing it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 20:02:29 GMT
I know she was tagged into the post, but why would CHF respondd to that person. She probably doesn't know her, just some random on the internet and it really doesnt matter what they think. Obviously the random has no idea how shows work, so why engage with them at all? Just let the fans respond, because they won't be able to help themselves.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 21, 2021 20:46:21 GMT
It's a sign. If play the recording backwards and at half speed then you'll know what's really going on
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 21:20:52 GMT
Someone on Twitter is blaming Carrie! To be fair, she probably wouldn’t have been on even if she were in the country. 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Dec 21, 2021 22:46:08 GMT
Someone on Twitter is blaming Carrie! To be fair, she probably wouldn’t have been on even if she were in the country. 🤷🏻♂️ She really hasn't missed that many shows beyond scheduled holiday and pre-arranged alternate performances, though? So not really sure what your point is. |
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Post by ceebee on Dec 21, 2021 23:39:24 GMT
I saw the show recently and it was lethargic, half-hearted and not in good shape. There's more to this decision than meets the eye.
That said, don't expect much theatre or spectator sport in January - the emerging pattern is of the govt pushing decision making on to individuals and businesses for self-elected lockdowns.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2021 0:17:46 GMT
To be fair, she probably wouldn’t have been on even if she were in the country. 🤷🏻♂️ She really hasn't missed that many shows beyond scheduled holiday and pre-arranged alternate performances, though? So not really sure what your point is. She most certainly has, and it's why we've discussed it at length in this very thread. |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Dec 22, 2021 1:22:07 GMT
She really hasn't missed that many shows beyond scheduled holiday and pre-arranged alternate performances, though? So not really sure what your point is. She most certainly has, and it's why we've discussed it at length in this very thread. She actually really hasn't, but okay! |
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Post by horton on Dec 22, 2021 7:57:37 GMT
I know this is very cynical of me, but I wonder if it will actually reopen. And if so, reworked and/or with the same cast. This is clearly a covid decision, but ALW seems to be unhappy with the show, so may want to use this time to change something. But this is very sad for the cast, crew, and industry as a whole. I was wondering what leads you to think that ALW is unhappy with the show? Is it something he said? In his "service industry" outburst, he said he was unhappy with the cast, which is part of the show. So yes, he has said he is unhappy. He has also referred to re-writes. The show went back into rehearsal (not clean-ups). so clearly he isn't happy with something. |
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Post by danb on Dec 22, 2021 9:04:13 GMT
As a special Christmas treat I am allowing myself to comment on this. My blood pressure is in check and I’m off today so any rage that might be generated won’t affect my work.
ALW is peeved for several reasons.
i) He thought he was on to a surefire winner, gathering up the cream of talent that ‘the kids’ think are cool (Fennell, Fletcher). Unfortunately two years later they weren’t quite so hot.
ii) His entitled ‘Lordships’ life made him think that the government’s rules would not apply to him. Unfortunately, 1500 people in ANY room was a problem and rather than socially distance he threw his toys out. I don’t know how long he financially supported the cast in the first lockdowns but I’m pretty sure that this extended closure is down to not paying people for six weeks to save some cash.
iii) Despite numerous opportunities to change the problematic bits of the show, he continues to believe that the core product is a winner and just meddles with individual lines or the colour of someones gloves. It needs a solid rewrite to turn it into the product that he thinks it is. The undeveloped threads of the Godmother, and how the mothers know each other might be clever-clever bits of adult subtext, but no other bits of narrative do this so find some consistency with a rewrite or ditch them.
iv) Change the marketing to make it clear what people will be getting rather than annoying parents that think its a fairytale. The majority of mainstream theatregoers don’t really want to have to decipher an arty poster to understand that it is not what they are expecting from using a recognisable name.
v) Blaming the cast for speaking out or not behaving like his usual bum lickers has not done either party any good. He has a great core cast that he’d do well to look after. Mud slinging rarely ends well.
Merry Christmas x
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Post by Oliver on Dec 22, 2021 13:43:51 GMT
As a special Christmas treat I am allowing myself to comment on this. My blood pressure is in check and I’m off today so any rage that might be generated won’t affect my work. ALW is peeved for several reasons. i) He thought he was on to a surefire winner, gathering up the cream of talent that ‘the kids’ think are cool (Fennell, Fletcher). Unfortunately two years later they weren’t quite so hot. ii) His entitled ‘Lordship’ life made him think that the government’s rules would not apply to him. Unfortunately, 1500 people in ANY room was a problem and rather than socially distance he threw his toys out. I don’t know how long he financially supported the cast in the first lockdowns but I’m pretty sure that this extended closure is down to not paying people for six weeks to save some cash. iii) Despite numerous opportunities to change the problematic bits of the show, he continues to believe that the core product is a winner and just meddles with individual lines or the colour of someones gloves. It needs a solid rewrite to turn it into the product that he thinks it is. The undeveloped threads of the Godmother, and how the mothers know each other might be clever-clever bits of adult subtext, but no other bits of narrative do this so find some consistency with a rewrite or ditch them. iv) Change the marketing to make it clear what people will be getting rather than annoying parents that think its a fairytale. The majority of mainstream theatregoers don’t really want to have to decipher an arty poster to understand that it is not what they are expecting from using a recognisable name. v) Blaming the cast for speaking out or not behaving like his usual bum lickers has not done either party any good. He has a great core cast that he’d do well to look after. Mud slinging rarely ends well. Merry Christmas x What a terrible post, it gets approval for no other reason than that people on this forum will *like* anything negative said about the composer. You jump to the defence of the cast when you don't actually know what went on or that they necessarily behaved appropriately, you talk about how ALW thought the rules would not apply to him without justifying why you have reached this conclusion (it may or may not be true), though you have (inadvertently) provided evidence which suggests that ALW is happy with the show itself by pointing out that he refuses to change anything except minor details. Saying things like "his entitled Lordship" weakens your argument substantially, it just shows that you have a personal dislike of the composer and that anything you say on the matter lacks credibility. |
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Post by danb on Dec 22, 2021 14:01:45 GMT
And this is why I haven’t been back here Oliver. I just feel a bit sad that you can’t see what is glaringly obvious to everyone else, and what I suspect (but don’t have written authenticated proof of) is driving the underwhelming response and financial success of this show. I have no personal dislike of alw. I have a dislike of his politics and lack of empathy for others. Have a wonderful festive season.
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Post by Oliver on Dec 22, 2021 14:22:19 GMT
And this is why I haven’t been back here Oliver. I just feel a bit sad that you can’t see what is glaringly obvious to everyone else, and what I suspect (but don’t have written authenticated proof of) is driving the underwhelming response and financial success of this show. I have no personal dislike of alw. I have a dislike of his politics and lack of empathy for others. Have a wonderful festive season. Such a nice reply, I feel guilty now  Thanks for the good wishes, you too. |
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Post by steve10086 on Dec 22, 2021 14:47:24 GMT
ALW stifling back the tears when saying he could no longer vote for the heartless, selfish, uncaring Conservative party because they didn’t help *him* was a real high point for him this year.
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Post by ceebee on Dec 22, 2021 16:13:42 GMT
As a special Christmas treat I am allowing myself to comment on this. My blood pressure is in check and I’m off today so any rage that might be generated won’t affect my work. ALW is peeved for several reasons. i) He thought he was on to a surefire winner, gathering up the cream of talent that ‘the kids’ think are cool (Fennell, Fletcher). Unfortunately two years later they weren’t quite so hot. ii) His entitled ‘Lordship’ life made him think that the government’s rules would not apply to him. Unfortunately, 1500 people in ANY room was a problem and rather than socially distance he threw his toys out. I don’t know how long he financially supported the cast in the first lockdowns but I’m pretty sure that this extended closure is down to not paying people for six weeks to save some cash. iii) Despite numerous opportunities to change the problematic bits of the show, he continues to believe that the core product is a winner and just meddles with individual lines or the colour of someones gloves. It needs a solid rewrite to turn it into the product that he thinks it is. The undeveloped threads of the Godmother, and how the mothers know each other might be clever-clever bits of adult subtext, but no other bits of narrative do this so find some consistency with a rewrite or ditch them. iv) Change the marketing to make it clear what people will be getting rather than annoying parents that think its a fairytale. The majority of mainstream theatregoers don’t really want to have to decipher an arty poster to understand that it is not what they are expecting from using a recognisable name. v) Blaming the cast for speaking out or not behaving like his usual bum lickers has not done either party any good. He has a great core cast that he’d do well to look after. Mud slinging rarely ends well. Merry Christmas x What a terrible post, it gets approval for no other reason than that people on this forum will *like* anything negative said about the composer. You jump to the defence of the cast when you don't actually know what went on or that they necessarily behaved appropriately, you talk about how ALW thought the rules would not apply to him without justifying why you have reached this conclusion (it may or may not be true), though you have (inadvertently) provided evidence which suggests that ALW is happy with the show itself by pointing out that he refuses to change anything except minor details. Saying things like "his entitled Lordship" weakens your argument substantially, it just shows that you have a personal dislike of the composer and that anything you say on the matter lacks credibility. I liked the post and I like ALW. I also liked Cinderella hugely when it opened, despite its flaws. However, it could and should have been improved in the opportunities/gaps presented by Covid. |
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Post by Being Alive on Dec 22, 2021 16:56:27 GMT
I mean it could and should have also been improved in the huge 16 month delay that Covid put in place from March 2020-June 2021 but he didn't fancy it then, why now?
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Post by inthenose on Dec 22, 2021 17:11:07 GMT
Let's play countdown to the next drama. I'm going for two weeks again.
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Post by Being Alive on Dec 22, 2021 17:23:42 GMT
Maybe someone will write an indirect tweet on NYE like 'new year, less sh*t composer/producer' or something similar.
Be a fun way to see in 2022!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 22, 2021 18:04:38 GMT
Whatever the show is like on stage it’s been the gift that keeps on giving as far as off stage goss is concerned. They should have a WoS award for that!
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Post by robertb213 on Dec 22, 2021 19:06:21 GMT
As a special Christmas treat I am allowing myself to comment on this. My blood pressure is in check and I’m off today so any rage that might be generated won’t affect my work. ALW is peeved for several reasons. i) He thought he was on to a surefire winner, gathering up the cream of talent that ‘the kids’ think are cool (Fennell, Fletcher). Unfortunately two years later they weren’t quite so hot. ii) His entitled ‘Lordship’ life made him think that the government’s rules would not apply to him. Unfortunately, 1500 people in ANY room was a problem and rather than socially distance he threw his toys out. I don’t know how long he financially supported the cast in the first lockdowns but I’m pretty sure that this extended closure is down to not paying people for six weeks to save some cash. iii) Despite numerous opportunities to change the problematic bits of the show, he continues to believe that the core product is a winner and just meddles with individual lines or the colour of someones gloves. It needs a solid rewrite to turn it into the product that he thinks it is. The undeveloped threads of the Godmother, and how the mothers know each other might be clever-clever bits of adult subtext, but no other bits of narrative do this so find some consistency with a rewrite or ditch them. iv) Change the marketing to make it clear what people will be getting rather than annoying parents that think its a fairytale. The majority of mainstream theatregoers don’t really want to have to decipher an arty poster to understand that it is not what they are expecting from using a recognisable name. v) Blaming the cast for speaking out or not behaving like his usual bum lickers has not done either party any good. He has a great core cast that he’d do well to look after. Mud slinging rarely ends well. Merry Christmas x What a terrible post, it gets approval for no other reason than that people on this forum will *like* anything negative said about the composer. You jump to the defence of the cast when you don't actually know what went on or that they necessarily behaved appropriately, you talk about how ALW thought the rules would not apply to him without justifying why you have reached this conclusion (it may or may not be true), though you have (inadvertently) provided evidence which suggests that ALW is happy with the show itself by pointing out that he refuses to change anything except minor details. Saying things like "his entitled Lordship" weakens your argument substantially, it just shows that you have a personal dislike of the composer and that anything you say on the matter lacks credibility. Completely untrue, I'm a massive ALW fan but I agree with everything danb says, it's just a bad show. |
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Post by Oliver on Dec 22, 2021 19:30:02 GMT
What a terrible post, it gets approval for no other reason than that people on this forum will *like* anything negative said about the composer. You jump to the defence of the cast when you don't actually know what went on or that they necessarily behaved appropriately, you talk about how ALW thought the rules would not apply to him without justifying why you have reached this conclusion (it may or may not be true), though you have (inadvertently) provided evidence which suggests that ALW is happy with the show itself by pointing out that he refuses to change anything except minor details. Saying things like "his entitled Lordship" weakens your argument substantially, it just shows that you have a personal dislike of the composer and that anything you say on the matter lacks credibility. Completely untrue, I'm a massive ALW fan but I agree with everything danb says, it's just a bad show. Thank you for the clarification. I unfortunately misread the intent behind danb's post and other members' approval of it. |
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Post by scarpia on Dec 25, 2021 1:43:56 GMT
I know this is very cynical of me, but I wonder if it will actually reopen. And if so, reworked and/or with the same cast. This is clearly a covid decision, but ALW seems to be unhappy with the show, so may want to use this time to change something. But this is very sad for the cast, crew, and industry as a whole. While I don't think this will happen to Cinderella, it's not unheard of for shows to announce they're suspending performances temporarily only never to return. This even happened to the original Broadway production of Evita, which had a shorter run than the London counterpart (though it was a hit). Stigwood said they'd close for the summer...and then it never returned. In ALW's case as producer this is also what happened to Bombay Dreams; they announced they were going to close temporarily to incorporate Broadway changes to the show...and then it never reopened. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 4, 2022 9:17:03 GMT
Looks at calendar* *sighs*
Still over a month to wait before we see Cinders open/re-open again. Now Christmas is out of the way I wonder what they’re all going to be doing? Will they keep people going in for rehearsals? I assume they have to unless they just go in hard for a week before the “first” performance.
What will CHF do now she’s opened all of her Nespresso advent calendar windows?
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