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Post by Stephen on Aug 28, 2019 15:42:24 GMT
Must be heading for a transfer, surely? There’s certainly a few options for theatres available in the new year however I don’t know how far ahead shows are booked in before announced. I’d hope that it could go into the Duke of York’s or Pinter. They’re nicely sized for Almeida transfers and have had them before. |
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Post by peggs on Aug 28, 2019 21:02:56 GMT
Had avoided reading this thread before going but have now seen the content trigger warning, anyone care to spoiler or DM me any details please, as a squeamish fainter if people talk about that b word am I going to be in trouble?
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Post by bordeaux on Aug 29, 2019 8:44:27 GMT
I have canvassed quite a lot of people I have come into contact with since I first saw this play a week ago on Friday and not one single person, including myself, was aware of the connotations of this word. I certainly wouldn't consider myself tone deaf, but I would have happily used that word to describe anyone without an iota of knowledge of what I was actually saying, so I can well believe the Doctor was not aware. Like vickyg I also did some canvassing and found it was an ‘age thing’. Those old enough to have seen or lived through the time of In the Heat of the Night and Blazing Saddles made the link but the younger group had no idea. Interesting. The word is used in Blue/Orange by Joe Penhall (2000) in a similar way, I seem to remember, by the younger doctor. I'm in my mid-fifties so the racial connotations were clear to me. |
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Post by bordeaux on Aug 29, 2019 10:22:12 GMT
Is the audience meant to think the academics are as wrong-headed as the Christian campaigner and the pro-lifer? The expressions of irritation or exasperation from the very middle-class middle-aged almost exclusively white audience were the same. It is true that the doctor is made to realise she used a word she shouldn't have but I wasn't entirely sure what Icke was getting at here with regard to identity politics. Is he criticising it, or saying it's gone too far, or both? I simply took it as a way to illustrate the gap between generations. A device to let them face off against each other and provide a forum space for debate - and perhaps a contrast point that a media space has replaced a church space that might have previously served the purpose. would the the doctor, even one brought up in her privileged world, have used that word? not one single person, including myself, was aware of the connotations of this word I knew the word may be used to form a phrase, but had no idea until this play that anyone thought it was racist in common usage. Frankly, given that the play is fiction of course, I'm not sure of the reality anyway. The second word of the phrase I'd never use - nobody in their right mind would - but the first, well, I think I may have to be more careful, I guess; not a problem, but I'm still not actually sure totally when that change happened. Interesting article on the subject from the Atlantic, 2011. It seems the adjective was used, faux-innocently, by extreme right-wingers to describe the Obamas. www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/11/yep-uppity-racist/335160/ |
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Post by peggs on Sept 4, 2019 19:52:36 GMT
Loved it! Left at the end going kinda wow, after enjoying a gut punch reaction to what this play brought up. JS is a dream and what a way for Icke to bow out. Now to go back and read what you all thought.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 6:54:58 GMT
Thought this was excellent, glad I went into it without knowing much! Felt sorry for the drummer stuck up there on her podium for the whole 3 hours. Wonder if Icke could have taken the concept further and had the Doctor played by Adjoa Andoh, for instance |
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Post by jennapatchell on Sept 9, 2019 21:57:14 GMT
West End transfer from April I have heard. No theatre decided as of yet.
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Post by crowblack on Sept 9, 2019 22:43:52 GMT
West End transfer from April Hope it tours like Mary Stuart. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Sept 10, 2019 0:49:50 GMT
Could be one for the Duke of York or Harold Pinter.
Almeida seem to have a good relationship with ATG.
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Sept 10, 2019 7:52:58 GMT
I hope it does! I'll be trying the lottery again today for one last shot but if it goes anything like last week did (the ticket I tried to put in my basket was snatched up just before me and then any attempt to check other dates was met with an error message) then I'll have to rely on a transfer to see this.
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Post by Rory on Sept 10, 2019 11:18:05 GMT
Despite the discomfort, I think the Trafalgar 1 would be the place for this. It needs a clean, clinical environment to match the design, I feel. It worked well for the transfer of Icke's Oresteia. It depends on who the producer is as it's no longer an ATG theatre and they (Trafalgar Entertainment) seem to programme much of their own stuff now. |
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Post by vickyg on Sept 11, 2019 11:25:20 GMT
Despite the discomfort, I think the Trafalgar 1 would be the place for this. It needs a clean, clinical environment to match the design, I feel. Noooo! Although you're right that this would be an appropriate venue, I can't stand the proximity to other humans experienced there! |
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Post by alnoor on Sept 12, 2019 13:30:13 GMT
Just returned a £10 row F stalls ticket for Saturday 14/9/19 matinee.
Box office have advised they will try and sell it.
Putting it here as well in case some one is looking for a ticket
Show is sold out
Thanks
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Post by crowblack on Sept 13, 2019 10:47:17 GMT
Ria Zmitrowicz just announced headlining the new Lucy Kirkwood alongside previously announced Maxine Peake in January (OMG this sounds brilliant) so I guess if this does transfer it might not be with her.
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Post by Rory on Sept 13, 2019 10:58:12 GMT
Ria Zmitrowicz just announced headlining the new Lucy Kirkwood alongside previously announced Maxine Peake in January (OMG this sounds brilliant) so I guess if this does transfer it might not be with her. Possibly that's why the rumoured transfer is around April maybe. |
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Post by crowblack on Sept 13, 2019 11:59:38 GMT
rumoured transfer is around April maybe. Oh cool - I had to return my tickets for the Doctor but would quite like to catch it (mainly for the cast rather than the play itself). |
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Post by David J on Sept 15, 2019 17:21:03 GMT
This didn’t make an impact for me unfortunately
Booked upon the above comments and how this play addresses this pc culture we live in, our prejudices and identity politics. Something I keep reading about and listening from critical commentators youtube and take issue with
So watching this I felt the play didn't bring anything new to the table for me. Felt angry during the tv panel scene but otherwise it was an intellectually interesting but unengaging play
Juliet Stevenson was on form as usual and I felt for her character. Can’t say the same for the others. they felt like mouth pieces for all these opposing views the play expresses. Like I said, less a play about story and the characters and more about the issues
Couldn’t even see the point about dr wolff’s partner that occasionally comes on to chat or announce the next scene. Not enough time spent on them to care and for me the play ended with the dr and the priest. It crawled on after that
Happy this play is putting onstage stuff that needs to be addressed but otherwise it didnt do anything for me
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Post by londonpostie on Sept 18, 2019 15:15:03 GMT
Finally saw it last night.
It needed a couple of artistic conceits in order for things to work but that was fine, there was an extraordinary amount packed in here. I certainly picked up new ideas from the doings.
Sometimes, after a theatre trip, I sit on the tube on the way home and quietly marvel at the levels of talent and artistic integrity available to us in this city: as I say at least once a month, I feel fortunate to have witnessed that.
Fwiw, I'd also be interested in knowing J. Stephenson's parkrun PB.
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Post by Rory on Sept 21, 2019 12:50:33 GMT
Looks like this is definitely transferring. My guess, although I don't know, is the Duke of York's after Blithe Spirit.
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Post by tmesis on Sept 21, 2019 16:30:12 GMT
This is one of the best things I've seen at The Almeida in ages. Pleased it's transferring.
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Post by showgirl on Sept 21, 2019 17:25:41 GMT
Agreed; also one of the best plays I've seen this year. Riveting & thought-provoking.
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Post by vickyg on Sept 23, 2019 9:33:55 GMT
I saw this for the final time on Thursday which had the post show discussion afterwards. It was very interesting to hear the thoughts of the cast, most of whom were present. They said that they barely touched on the script in the first few weeks of rehearsals and mostly discussed their thoughts about the likely life experiences of the people they were playing and the motivations of the key characters.
The questions were mostly interesting and the only one I found slightly odd was a man who said that even though he had a catholic background he felt that it was unlikely anyone would be extreme enough to believe that the last rights were imperative and therefore the young person's father was unlikely to feel as he did. I didn't agree with this at all, but the cast did discuss that his emotions would have been heightened, he may not have felt as strongly in other circumstances etc.
The best bits of this play are amazing and the scenes between Prof Woolff and her 'little friend' are excellent.
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Post by zahidf on Sept 23, 2019 10:55:15 GMT
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Post by Jon on Sept 23, 2019 10:56:55 GMT
The Duke Of York’s is like the Almeida’s second home, this is the fourth production to go there after Summer and Smoke, Mary Stuart and Ink.
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Post by l0islane on Sept 23, 2019 12:42:28 GMT
Nothing under £45 in anything other than the upper circle (in the ATG member sale anyway). I think I'll wait.
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