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Post by winonaforever on Jan 24, 2019 19:32:58 GMT
You saying how easy it is to find it and even posting the name of the website where the house is, is not helping tho. I know usual posters here won't look it up, cause we're not that kind of fans. But you never know who's lurking. But someone had already said the name of the site, a couple of posts before mine! I wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise. Actually I only know it exists because Carrie kept mentioning it on her Instagram...
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Post by sophie92 on Jan 24, 2019 19:57:48 GMT
You saying how easy it is to find it and even posting the name of the website where the house is, is not helping tho. I know usual posters here won't look it up, cause we're not that kind of fans. But you never know who's lurking. But someone had already said the name of the site, a couple of posts before mine! I wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise. Actually I only know it exists because Carrie kept mentioning it on her Instagram... I assumed they were referring to the property search site, rather than GuruGossip
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 20:03:12 GMT
Yes I assume so too!
I did mention GuruGossip but (I assume, I can't even figure out how to navigate that site, I'm too old...) you have to dig about a bit to find the information there. However assuming you have some kind of knowledge of what you're looking for the property site doesn't require that much knowledge....
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Post by winonaforever on Jan 24, 2019 20:28:47 GMT
But someone had already said the name of the site, a couple of posts before mine! I wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise. Actually I only know it exists because Carrie kept mentioning it on her Instagram... I assumed they were referring to the property search site, rather than GuruGossip Oh sorry Sophie, yes, you're probably right. It's just that that seems to be the main property website, most house listings are on it I think. It's the one I always look at when I'm planning what I'd buy if I were rich anyway!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 20:29:14 GMT
Yeah, I was referring to the property search site.
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Post by winonaforever on Jan 24, 2019 21:03:18 GMT
Yeah, I was referring to the property search site. Sorry, I misunderstood!
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Post by shady23 on Jan 24, 2019 22:29:03 GMT
this is just crazy and way out of something i would ever thought possible i heard stories from "Fans" following actors home in germany too but until now there was never a posted adress out in the internet (as far as i am aware) but lets not call such people "fans" - because this throws a sad shade on the rest of us lets just call these people stalker, idiots or something like that, because thats what they are Before the Internet, famous people's addresses were shared via letters from fan to fan. That was more for boy band members. It was seen as ok, almost, for crowds of fans to hang around their houses all day. There aren't really huge boy bands like that these days but I'm sure if a new One Direction came out the same thing would probably happen. Im not condoning it but it always happens. Any other genre it goes into the creepy. I remember hearing someone at stage door saying part of their front door was the same at Kerry Ellis' and wondering how on earth they had found themselves at her front door to examine it!
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Post by beatrice on Jan 24, 2019 22:45:18 GMT
I think the amount of "if you don't want people stalking you, don't post anything on social media" I'm seeing (not really on here, but a LOT on GG) is actually terrifying. They didn't even find it through her, but through her brother posting.
Honestly, let me be very clear: It. Is. Victim. Blaming. Period, end of story.
I don't care what anyone posts on social media. It does NOT mean that they deserve to feel unsafe in their own home because some toxic bullies decide to figure out where you live specifically because you've said that you don't want to share that information. And yes, the people on GG have been posting along the lines of "well, you were saying you moved but didn't want to show us, what choice did we have?". That's stalker behaviour, creepy as all hell, and it's not her fault.
I like some of Carries material, I don't like some of it, I don't really have a strong opinion on her. But I do have a strong opinion that we shouldn't be victim blaming or condoning it. It's a slippery slope, my friends.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 24, 2019 23:06:58 GMT
Just pull back from the social media Carrie. I’m not saying don’t do anything ever, but just stop feeding them. It’s time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 0:42:18 GMT
Carrie already had a very promising and fairly successful musical theatre career before she went into the Social Media world. She cannot be that naive as her brother was in a pop band which attracted and still attracts a large fan base so she must have been used to him having fans screaming at him and possibly following him etc.
Bands tend to live their lives in a bubble being taken from place to place with tour managers and security so maybe fan access to Tom was more "controlled".
Last week when Strictly Come Dancing tour was in Birmingham a lot of Joe Sugg's fans were apparently stood outside or inside the hotel to try and meet him. The celebs and dancers had been papped leaving the hotel so it was easy to find out where they were staying.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 8:12:16 GMT
Standing outside hotels for tours is hardly news though or a result of social media. As above with Boy Bands fans have always found out where bands stayed on tour and waited outside, as far back as the Beatles!
We’re so quick to blame social media for everything when in fact fans have found ways and means since way before.
Also personally I have less a problem with fans loitering outside a hotel to wave a band/star off/hope for an autograph- it’s a public place (most hotels I’m sure keep them carefully outside) and I think most pop stars expect it/it’s a bit like stage door. So as long as everyone behaves that doesn’t cross any lines in my mind.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 25, 2019 9:57:13 GMT
Yes, it's usual for pop stars - not so much for actors, though. I wonder if some of the issues Carrie has is that her fans started out as pop star fans, and are behaving in the same way, and Carrie just doesn't have the support system in place to deal with it - because it's not something the theatre world is set up to deal with like the pop world is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 10:05:59 GMT
Yes! I meant to add that pop stars/hotel situation have security (and obviously HUGE pop stars have security anyway)
That said as scary and wrong as this is, it's still a relative 'storm in a teacup' situation - Carrie isn't a HUGE name, the portion of people finding out her address was a tiny group who probably did it for trolling purposes rather than any action, as utterly wrong (and pointless) as it all is, I don't think we're at a point where 100s of theatre fans are going to be turning up at a performers house as a rule yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 10:06:58 GMT
And on a related not I always remember the daughter of my parent's friends, who is I think 10-15 years older than me, being taken by her Dad to hang around outside Chesney Hawkes house in the early 90s. And remember as a desperately uncool child thinking how weird that was even then.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 10:17:49 GMT
I used to work in a hotel where a lot of singers would stay due to our proximity to a concert venue, and fans can be very very scary lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 10:46:19 GMT
I used to work in a hotel where a lot of singers would stay due to our proximity to a concert venue, and fans can be very very scary lol. Backtracking up the thread a bit, i remember that One Direction documentary that showed fans booking into the hotel when the band were in there! the 10 minutes of that which i watched is flooding back in all it's scary glory.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 13:12:02 GMT
I think this whole situation has thought everyone a few lessons.
To echo what theatremonkey has just said. If you want to keep something private then do exactly that. Don't talk about it. I dont know an awful lot about her, she is not someone whos career I follow but on social media She comes across as a hard working, inoffensive individual but also a little immature. For a house she repeatedly said she wanted to keep private she talked an awful lot about it. I think also anyone in that profession needs to be mindful of the age of their fans. I mean no disrespect but sometimes when I see some of her social media posts I would be cringing at how blatantly she is manipulating her young fans. If you are going to do that then you need to be very mindful about posting personal stuff. While her address information was not posted by theatre fans you can be damn sure they all had a look to find it. In a nutshell you need to be mindful of your audience and post appropriately.
Also I am sure we all have seen it over the years and I am sure we all can list plenty of examples before Carrie, of Actors being changed by roles (Ms Erivo anyone???) but from the little I have seen online Heathers appears to have changed Carrie (Both in a good and bad way) lately though I feel the bad out ways the good.
Lots of us who are not in the spotlight take a hiatus from social media and I think maybe that's no harm and something carrie should consider for a bit.
Rant over and its all meant with good intentions so don't come at me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 15:15:41 GMT
I used to work in a hotel where a lot of singers would stay due to our proximity to a concert venue, and fans can be very very scary lol. Backtracking up the thread a bit, i remember that One Direction documentary that showed fans booking into the hotel when the band were in there! the 10 minutes of that which i watched is flooding back in all it's scary glory. Speaking of One Direction and crazy fans... I love this SNL sketch:
Gotta love Paul Rudd!
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Post by winonaforever on Jan 25, 2019 15:20:37 GMT
I'd say that the rule for anyone, famous or not, is simply not to put online anything you want to keep private or that affects your personal security. It's going to happen anyway, to a certain extent, as all sorts of public records get put there. But if you want to be safe, just think before you click, it is that simple. I agree. There's another actress I follow on Instagram who posts every day. In her Instagram stories she regularly posts about an activity she does (every day) and the locations (which only vary slightly) in which she does it. I always think it's a bit odd because anyone who wanted to run into her would know exactly where she's likely to be at a certain time.
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Post by danb on Jan 25, 2019 18:13:08 GMT
I think this whole situation has thought everyone a few lessons. To echo what theatremonkey has just said. If you want to keep something private then do exactly that. Don't talk about it. I dont know an awful lot about her, she is not someone whos career I follow but on social media She comes across as a hard working, inoffensive individual but also a little immature. For a house she repeatedly said she wanted to keep private she talked an awful lot about it. I think also anyone in that profession needs to be mindful of the age of their fans. I mean no disrespect but sometimes when I see some of her social media posts I would be cringing at how blatantly she is manipulating her young fans. If you are going to do that then you need to be very mindful about posting personal stuff. While her address information was not posted by theatre fans you can be damn sure they all had a look to find it. In a nutshell you need to be mindful of your audience and post appropriately. Also I am sure we all have seen it over the years and I am sure we all can list plenty of examples before Carrie, of Actors being changed by roles (Ms Erivo anyone???) but from the little I have seen online Heathers appears to have changed Carrie (Both in a good and bad way) lately though I feel the bad out ways the good. Lots of us who are not in the spotlight take a hiatus from social media and I think maybe that's no harm and something carrie should consider for a bit. Rant over and its all meant with good intentions so don't come at me. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Be it right or wrong, if you invite people into your life to that level of detail, don’t be surprised when they carry on wanting it when you have changed your mind and want your life back.
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Post by winonaforever on Jan 25, 2019 18:15:43 GMT
^And those wanting to do her harm or rob her home have all the info they need... very sad. Yes. Luckily she doesn't give away details of her address or anything, but she mentions the area a lot. It's a bit worrying!
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Post by shady23 on Jan 25, 2019 19:30:15 GMT
^And those wanting to do her harm or rob her home have all the info they need... very sad. Yes. Luckily she doesn't give away details of her address or anything, but she mentions the area a lot. It's a bit worrying! Yes especially when it is so public when she is away from that home doing shows etc
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 3:28:22 GMT
Carrie addressed the reasons why she is not doing a house tour in her recent video, and mainly it's because she wants a boundary. She also addressed the issues she has had with people finding her address. It also apparently happened at her old flat, where she had people find out where she lived and was followed home, sent anonymous letters and had people stand outside her window and call out to her. I can't help but feel sorry for her. Yes I get that she sometimes may bring it on herself, but that kind of stuff shouldn't happen to anyone, it's scary!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 11:53:59 GMT
I think the amount of "if you don't want people stalking you, don't post anything on social media" I'm seeing (not really on here, but a LOT on GG) is actually terrifying. They didn't even find it through her, but through her brother posting. Honestly, let me be very clear: It. Is. Victim. Blaming. Period, end of story. I don't care what anyone posts on social media. It does NOT mean that they deserve to feel unsafe in their own home because some toxic bullies decide to figure out where you live specifically because you've said that you don't want to share that information. And yes, the people on GG have been posting along the lines of "well, you were saying you moved but didn't want to show us, what choice did we have?". That's stalker behaviour, creepy as all hell, and it's not her fault. I like some of Carries material, I don't like some of it, I don't really have a strong opinion on her. But I do have a strong opinion that we shouldn't be victim blaming or condoning it. It's a slippery slope, my friends. /end rant Sorry but i disagree to an extent regarding the victim blaming. Yes the fans behaviour is scary and wrong..no question. However I'm also sick of people not taking responsibility for themselves. Life isn't perfect, there are bad and unhinged people out there that you cant stop or control so you just have to use common sense in life to help yourself avoid circumstances. I know that if I walk through a bad area of town,or a park late at night there is a higher risk of being mugged, attacked whatever. So I avoid those areas, even if I have to go out of my way a bit. Its not your fault, but could you have done something to avoid the situation in the first place. When it comes to online stuff, if you invite and encourage people into your life you have to understand the negative and darkside that comes with that. People end up feeling like they know you and then the entitlement that comes with that. You are sharing so much of yourself with others, and in visual formats you can be giving away more information than you realise. You wouldn't go up to a stranger in the street and give out loads of information about yourself, but people do it online, not thinking about who could be watching. Look at the most extreme example of Princess Diana, she used and played the media for her own gain, and in turn created a monster she couldn't control.
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Post by alece10 on Jan 26, 2019 15:38:16 GMT
Sorry but you can't have your cake and eat it. If you live your life out in social media you have to expect some unwanted attention in this day and age. If you don't want so much attention live a normal life like the rest of us who can get along quite happily without sharing with the world. But this is just the view of an older man. Maybe I've just not moved with the times.
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