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Post by theatreian on Feb 11, 2020 16:14:38 GMT
I was there on Sunday night and have to say I was disappointed.I don't think she was physically up to doing the show as she seemed to move awkwardly at times and obviously the choreography was nowhere near previous tours. We got the reduced setlist and the 'chat' was with Alan Cumming, this did not flow very well. The part with the polaroid photo was a bit weird too being sold to a child for £1000. I was not convinced all the vocals were live either as they seemed too consistent, even when she was being carried around by dancers they did not waver. They sounded too close to the album tracks. My partner who has attended all her previous tours said this was his least favourite. The comment she made about cutting the songs from the show was supposedly so she could finish on time. Who did she think she was kidding? She cut them due to being unable to perform them. Oh well at least we did not splash out £500. I would have been very disappointed then. She got about 5 lots of slow handclaps before she appeared about 9.10. The show finished at 11.00.
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Post by vdcni on Feb 14, 2020 8:09:40 GMT
I also went on the Sunday and though somewhat more positive your thoughts chime with my own. Vogue at the beginning looked like the whole thing was going to be a disaster as she hobbled around the stage though it did pick up from then.
The Madame X worked better than I expected given I'm not overly familiar with the songs but the highlights were Frozen and Like A Prayer and the energy level from the audience picked up a lot during them.
The constant barbs at Westminster Council were tiring, particularly when she blamed them for not being able to do the whole show and yes she never sounds particularly natural or relaxed when speaking in public so her chat with the kid and Alan Cumming was painful at times.
I sill enjoyed it and my husband, who's never seen her before, loved it but yeah I wouldn't rush to the next one and it wasn't a patch on Drowned World - though I am slightly biased there as I accidentally ended up with front row tickets for that one!
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Post by dontdreamit on Feb 14, 2020 9:17:43 GMT
It wasn't a patch on Drowned World - though I am slightly biased there as I accidentally ended up with front row tickets for that one! How did you accidentally end up with front row? I am curious!
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Post by vdcni on Feb 14, 2020 10:16:28 GMT
It wasn't a patch on Drowned World - though I am slightly biased there as I accidentally ended up with front row tickets for that one! How did you accidentally end up with front row? I am curious! I didn't have tickets and then the day after the first show a girl in the office was saying that she'd heard there were returns for the next night so she called the box office and they told her they had restricted view tickets for £25. She then decided she didn't want them so I took the phone off her and took two tickets. My mate and I went the next night and we were miles up in the gods but could mostly see fine, there was a slight obstruction but nothing major. Now we had sat down quite early which was odd as we hadn't even stopped to get drinks which I would normally always do. We were sitting there chatting and I noticed a woman with ID going round chatting to people in the audience. She came over to us and she asked, are you big fans, are you really excited about the concert, ready to make lots of noise etc etc which of course we were both saying yes definitely to. At that point she said she worked for the promoters and that Madonna likes having big fans in the front rows as she feeds off their energy and finds sometimes she gets music industry people in who aren't enjoying themselves enough (weirdly my mate worked in the music industry and later he could be like that at gigs as he saw so many!) so what she has been asked to do was find big fans and give them front row tickets and would we like to go and sit in the front row! Now my mate was French and didn't follow the conversation that well and said after I just saw you got more and more excited so it had to be a good thing. So we of course said yes we would want front row tickets and she took us downstairs handed us off to some other people who took us to the front row seats, we got the last two which were right in the middle. I remember saying to my friend we really should have got a drink if we're going to be right here but once it started it was so intense particularly as she was often looking directly at us we didn't need it, we went crazy particularly once she played Beautiful Stranger and Ray Of Light back to back.
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Post by horton on Feb 18, 2020 17:57:44 GMT
So final thoughts: do we think the Madonna Palladium residency was a success?
Will she return?
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 18, 2020 20:47:38 GMT
There was aparently a plan to do the small theatre tour for the album and then a stadium greatest hits tour once that was over with.
Don't know how that go now with her 'injury'...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 22:16:55 GMT
There was aparently a plan to do the small theatre tour for the album and then a stadium greatest hits tour once that was over with. Don't know how that go now with her 'injury'... That was only ever wishful thinking on the fans part. There’s nothing booked in for a larger show. In fairness Live Nation weren’t even expecting to have to arrange MXT - she literally went to them last minute and asked them to put it together (probably to avoid leaks). I think now she’ll sort her knee out, get the new ass fixed and then go into pre-production for the biop of Michaela DePrince MGM hired her to direct.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 22:39:31 GMT
So final thoughts: do we think the Madonna Palladium residency was a success? Will she return? Short answer is yes. The most critically acclaimed show of her career and fantastic fan feedback. Honestly, even the Daily Mail gave it the thumbs up and let me tell you - the woman doesn’t give free tickets to the press. Almost every review has said how the price tag high but worth it and that’s at home and abroad. The performance I saw, yes, unqualified success. Return in this format? Hope so for intimacy, but not at those prices. If she lowers her prices a bit I really see no reason why she couldn’t do 12 weeks on broadway and then 12 weeks in London. I loved the show but where it really shone was during the moment she allowed ‘Madonna: The Artist’ to take centre stage over ‘Madonna: Popstar’, and would love to see her build on that. I’m guessing she had to juggle the two because it’s still very much a concert and not a theatre show, but at times it was like watching an art installation and something she could never do in a stadium. Interestingly she self directed this tour, so I can really see her wanting to take on the challenge of working out how it could have been better and applying that to a new show (assuming she hasn’t hated the experience). I quite like the idea of her doing album tours in theatres and perhaps arenas and stadiums for bigger greatest hits tours.
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Post by ptwest on Feb 19, 2020 10:50:38 GMT
A qualified yes from me. When the show worked (which it certainly did the night I saw it), it was a triumph, and really used the space well. I was very impressed that it was clearly a show designed for the theatre rather than simply a concert in a theatre, and it really brought the album to life. The move into smaller venues worked beautifully. As a long term fan who doesn't need to hear the greatest hits every time it was something very special.
However, it is hard to ignore the negativity around the cancellations, the cut shows, the general petulance that she showed on a number of occasions. She really does need to work on her PR! At least for the Paris and London legs she has (so far) avoided the last minute cancellations that happened in Lisbon, but all that complaining about the curfew - just start 5 minutes earlier, its not hard.
So I would hope she will return in the future, my experience would mean I would be very likely to book again, although I am sure there are many who would feel differently.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 14:09:13 GMT
Madge has probably toured more in the last 20 years than she did in her peak years. Film work and having her children probably stopped her touring as much as she might have done in the 1990's.
Having checked back on her tour info, nearly every show she has played as a major artist she has sold out so is still a huge live draw despite playing a fair number of concerts in more recent years.
These shows are clearly something she wanted to do.
I think she needs to get this tour finished and get her injury sorted and then she can consider when and if she wants to play live in the future again.
Madonna doesn't need to tour and if she couldn't give the sort of show she wants to then she probably wouldn't. But she must also know that at 61 she cannot do the sort of shows she was doing 20 let alone well over 30 years ago as regards all the more faster dance routines or certainly do them less.
She can concentrate on her vocals more, still have the great visuals and have dancers working abound her but not do so much dancing herself or just spread the shows out more. If she needs 2 days off after a show then do that.
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 20, 2020 16:45:13 GMT
Madge has probably toured more in the last 20 years than she did in her peak years. Film work and having her children probably stopped her touring as much as she might have done in the 1990's. Having checked back on her tour info, nearly every show she has played as a major artist she has sold out so is still a huge live draw despite playing a fair number of concerts in more recent years. These shows are clearly something she wanted to do. I think she needs to get this tour finished and get her injury sorted and then she can consider when and if she wants to play live in the future again. Madonna doesn't need to tour and if she couldn't give the sort of show she wants to then she probably wouldn't. But she must also know that at 61 she cannot do the sort of shows she was doing 20 let alone well over 30 years ago as regards all the more faster dance routines or certainly do them less. She can concentrate on her vocals more, still have the great visuals and have dancers working abound her but not do so much dancing herself or just spread the shows out more. If she needs 2 days off after a show then do that. She started touring more because there is no money in selling/making music anymore and she was offered a massive Live Nation contract after she left Warners. From Hard Candy onwards her album sales have been pretty low. Rebel Heart sold just over a million world wide and Madame X will do nowhere near that. Compare that to the 25 million True Blue sold and it's no mystery why she tours more. Digital single sales taking over pretty much destroyed the charting history of most 'heritage' acts, as there were no longer multiple formats for their fans to buy to help 'tip' the charts in their favour. It has hit Kylie and others the same and she too was very smart to become a touring artist over a musical artist pretty early on, because she only sells albums in like 3 markets, but can sell out concerts anywhere. They all follow the same format. Release the first 'hit' single and sell the tour tickets on the day the album drops. They pretty much only make albums to sell tour tickets off the back of them these days, which is the complete opposite of how it used to be when you toured to sell an album. Amy and Adele have been the only recent female artists to sell albums in massive quantities over the last 10 years and I believe Rihanna is the queen of singles sales.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 8:38:12 GMT
Madge has probably toured more in the last 20 years than she did in her peak years. Film work and having her children probably stopped her touring as much as she might have done in the 1990's. Having checked back on her tour info, nearly every show she has played as a major artist she has sold out so is still a huge live draw despite playing a fair number of concerts in more recent years. These shows are clearly something she wanted to do. I think she needs to get this tour finished and get her injury sorted and then she can consider when and if she wants to play live in the future again. Madonna doesn't need to tour and if she couldn't give the sort of show she wants to then she probably wouldn't. But she must also know that at 61 she cannot do the sort of shows she was doing 20 let alone well over 30 years ago as regards all the more faster dance routines or certainly do them less. She can concentrate on her vocals more, still have the great visuals and have dancers working abound her but not do so much dancing herself or just spread the shows out more. If she needs 2 days off after a show then do that. She started touring more because there is no money in selling/making music anymore and she was offered a massive Live Nation contract after she left Warners. From Hard Candy onwards her album sales have been pretty low. Rebel Heart sold just over a million world wide and Madame X will do nowhere near that. Compare that to the 25 million True Blue sold and it's no mystery why she tours more. Digital single sales taking over pretty much destroyed the charting history of most 'heritage' acts, as there were no longer multiple formats for their fans to buy to help 'tip' the charts in their favour. It has hit Kylie and others the same and she too was very smart to become a touring artist over a musical artist pretty early on, because she only sells albums in like 3 markets, but can sell out concerts anywhere. They all follow the same format. Release the first 'hit' single and sell the tour tickets on the day the album drops. They pretty much only make albums to sell tour tickets off the back of them these days, which is the complete opposite of how it used to be when you toured to sell an album. Amy and Adele have been the only recent female artists to sell albums in massive quantities over the last 10 years and I believe Rihanna is the queen of singles sales. Actually Warner offered her more money than Live Nation, but she had a broken relationship with them by the time her contract was coming to an end: she wanted to release Impressive Instant as a single and Warner refused, saying they would release Amazing instead. Madonna then refused to record a video for Amazing, so Warner said they’d use footage from Drowned World Tour - so Madonna cut the song from the tour. They told her they were releasing GHV2 and she didn’t want to - so she refused to record any new songs, a photo shoot or promotion. Then after she finished her Re-invention Tour they came to her and demanded an album when she didn’t want to do one (which then became Confessions on a Dance Floor). So when she started contract negotiations after Confessions Tour, she was well and truly over Warner’s interference. Sadly she was better under them because they made sure she release an album ever 3 years. But prior to leaving them she had worked with Live Nation on 3 tours (over 5 years) and based on industry changes, that was where the money was - last millennia you toured to sell your album, this millennia you release an album to promote your tour... and Madge is responsible for the touring industry charging high prices - everyone saw her double her prices in 2004 and thought they could get away with it too. That said, Madge was holding on well in the download era - iTunes is the reason why Hung Up and 4 Minutes went top ten in the US (as she was still banned from radio back then... now she’s just too old). But yes, when she left Warner her new label refused to put out physical releases and the Madonna collector market was huge - Warner would always release 2 CDs and either a 12” or a picture disc (and her vinyl sales were very healthy prior to the resurgence of vinyl in recent years). Her new label did however mess up her lead single releases which didn’t help her charts - Give Me All Your Luvin’ was gifted when you pre-ordered MDNA and the charts company refused to count them as sales (it changed its mind and altered the chart rules to allow it a few months later), and Living For Love was only added to streaming services/iTunes the same day as the Brit awards - giving her only 3 days of sales before the song entered the charts. Then with Medellin she didn’t stand a chance in a streaming world.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 11:23:38 GMT
Great points by Kevin and Intoanewlife above - most of the biggest grossing tours are by "heritage" acts with a few newer top acts in the list. Plus artists such as Madonna as they get older then their record sales tend to drop. Older people don't tend to stream so much music either although Madonna's vast back catalogue has probably racked up a lot of combined streams as people dip in and out of her music.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 21, 2020 14:09:34 GMT
They all follow the same format. Release the first 'hit' single and sell the tour tickets on the day the album drops. They pretty much only make albums to sell tour tickets off the back of them these days, which is the complete opposite of how it used to be when you toured to sell an album. Amy and Adele have been the only recent female artists to sell albums in massive quantities over the last 10 years and I believe Rihanna is the queen of singles sales. Even young artists are inflating their album sales figures via tour ticket sales - thing like the 'verified fan' schemes that give you pre-sale tickets by buying albums, etc. There are die-hard fans buying multiple copies of albums (plus streaming the music for hours on end) to make sure they get all the tickets they want.
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 21, 2020 19:45:35 GMT
They all follow the same format. Release the first 'hit' single and sell the tour tickets on the day the album drops. They pretty much only make albums to sell tour tickets off the back of them these days, which is the complete opposite of how it used to be when you toured to sell an album. Amy and Adele have been the only recent female artists to sell albums in massive quantities over the last 10 years and I believe Rihanna is the queen of singles sales. Even young artists are inflating their album sales figures via tour ticket sales - thing like the 'verified fan' schemes that give you pre-sale tickets by buying albums, etc. There are die-hard fans buying multiple copies of albums (plus streaming the music for hours on end) to make sure they get all the tickets they want. That has all been stopped now, the chart laws have changed earlier this year.
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 21, 2020 19:52:53 GMT
She started touring more because there is no money in selling/making music anymore and she was offered a massive Live Nation contract after she left Warners. From Hard Candy onwards her album sales have been pretty low. Rebel Heart sold just over a million world wide and Madame X will do nowhere near that. Compare that to the 25 million True Blue sold and it's no mystery why she tours more. Digital single sales taking over pretty much destroyed the charting history of most 'heritage' acts, as there were no longer multiple formats for their fans to buy to help 'tip' the charts in their favour. It has hit Kylie and others the same and she too was very smart to become a touring artist over a musical artist pretty early on, because she only sells albums in like 3 markets, but can sell out concerts anywhere. They all follow the same format. Release the first 'hit' single and sell the tour tickets on the day the album drops. They pretty much only make albums to sell tour tickets off the back of them these days, which is the complete opposite of how it used to be when you toured to sell an album. Amy and Adele have been the only recent female artists to sell albums in massive quantities over the last 10 years and I believe Rihanna is the queen of singles sales. Actually Warner offered her more money than Live Nation, but she had a broken relationship with them by the time her contract was coming to an end: she wanted to release Impressive Instant as a single and Warner refused, saying they would release Amazing instead. Madonna then refused to record a video for Amazing, so Warner said they’d use footage from Drowned World Tour - so Madonna cut the song from the tour. They told her they were releasing GHV2 and she didn’t want to - so she refused to record any new songs, a photo shoot or promotion. Then after she finished her Re-invention Tour they came to her and demanded an album when she didn’t want to do one (which then became Confessions on a Dance Floor). So when she started contract negotiations after Confessions Tour, she was well and truly over Warner’s interference. Sadly she was better under them because they made sure she release an album ever 3 years. But prior to leaving them she had worked with Live Nation on 3 tours (over 5 years) and based on industry changes, that was where the money was - last millennia you toured to sell your album, this millennia you release an album to promote your tour... and Madge is responsible for the touring industry charging high prices - everyone saw her double her prices in 2004 and thought they could get away with it too. That said, Madge was holding on well in the download era - iTunes is the reason why Hung Up and 4 Minutes went top ten in the US (as she was still banned from radio back then... now she’s just too old). But yes, when she left Warner her new label refused to put out physical releases and the Madonna collector market was huge - Warner would always release 2 CDs and either a 12” or a picture disc (and her vinyl sales were very healthy prior to the resurgence of vinyl in recent years). Her new label did however mess up her lead single releases which didn’t help her charts - Give Me All Your Luvin’ was gifted when you pre-ordered MDNA and the charts company refused to count them as sales (it changed its mind and altered the chart rules to allow it a few months later), and Living For Love was only added to streaming services/iTunes the same day as the Brit awards - giving her only 3 days of sales before the song entered the charts. Then with Medellin she didn’t stand a chance in a streaming world. Big bad Warners making her record her biggest album in years and her best tour since her brother left Her music quality has dropped immensely since she left them. Nothing could've saved MDNA, it is an insipid album. Absolutely terrible from start to finish. You could tell she just didn't care about it. I don't think we can blame her for the ticket price thing, advertising companies started taking over touring companies and that's when everyone's prices went up, though no one else apart from her and the Stones took it to frankly immoral levels.
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Post by theatreian on Feb 21, 2020 22:08:51 GMT
Have to say the quality of her music has dropped dramatically over recent years in my opinion. Her album sales seem to show why her sales have slumped compared to previous albums in her hey day. She will never be a big selling artist again probably hence the tours , but hey does she need the money? She has always hated touring, but probably thought the last tour was something different. We will see what transpires in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 0:25:38 GMT
Have to say the quality of her music has dropped dramatically over recent years in my opinion. Her album sales seem to show why her sales have slumped compared to previous albums in her hey day. She will never be a big selling artist again probably hence the tours , but hey does she need the money? She has always hated touring, but probably thought the last tour was something different. We will see what transpires in the future. According to Forbes website Madge is worth a cool $570 million which equates to about £440 million.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 22, 2020 18:53:58 GMT
Of course ‘is worth’ ain’t the same as having the money in the bank. The likes of Madonna have expensive lifestyles....
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 22, 2020 19:27:32 GMT
Of course ‘is worth’ ain’t the same as having the money in the bank. The likes of Madonna have expensive lifestyles.... That's how much she is 'worth' now, but she has earned over a billion dollars so she's spent half of it already lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 2:40:05 GMT
First show in Paris... and she’s back to the midnight starts. Oops.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 3:02:50 GMT
Of course ‘is worth’ ain’t the same as having the money in the bank. The likes of Madonna have expensive lifestyles.... That's how much she is 'worth' now, but she has earned over a billion dollars so she's spent half of it already lol In 2003 her rep confirmed (meaning they corrected a NYTimes article) she had had generated music sales in excess of $2 billion. This is before she became a serious touring machine and before she got serious shares in Live Nation (as part of her deal with them back in 2007). Houses aside and divorces aside ( “Lawyers suck it up, didn’t have a pre-nup”), I believe Madonna’s biggest indulgence is her art collection - she’s been buying art since the 1980s. She did an interview about it years ago and I know she owns works by Warhol, Picasso, Emins and Frida Khalo. I forget the name of the artist, but those big nude female paintings in her ‘Open Your Heart’ video - she owns the originals of those too. Her brother talked about it quite a bit in his exposé.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 8:41:46 GMT
That's how much she is 'worth' now, but she has earned over a billion dollars so she's spent half of it already lol In 2003 her rep confirmed (meaning they corrected a NYTimes article) she had had generated music sales in excess of $2 billion. This is before she became a serious touring machine and before she got serious shares in Live Nation (as part of her deal with them back in 2007). Generating $2 billion in music sales doesn’t mean she pockets that. I’m pretty sure when I was youth the rule of thumb was recording artists would make roughly £1 per album sold as that would have made her about £335 million from albums. Then of course you have to tax that, feed her managers and staff etc etc
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 12:46:23 GMT
In 2003 her rep confirmed (meaning they corrected a NYTimes article) she had had generated music sales in excess of $2 billion. This is before she became a serious touring machine and before she got serious shares in Live Nation (as part of her deal with them back in 2007). Generating $2 billion in music sales doesn’t mean she pockets that. I’m pretty sure when I was youth the rule of thumb was recording artists would make roughly £1 per album sold as that would have made her about £335 million from albums. Then of course you have to tax that, feed her managers and staff etc etc Yes, I know exactly what generating means. Warner gave Madonna a huge amount of leeway though in over to keep her over the years. She owns the publishing rights on almost everything she’s ever released, has written almost everything she’s ever released and made sure that whatever she recorded, her label only ever owned the songs she submitted to them and that could only ever release music in a format she agreed. That is why we never see expanded or special versions of her previous albums - Warner doesn’t own anything else to put on them. No outtakes, no unreleased songs, no demos... nothing. Plus even if they did, their agreement with Madonna is that she must approve also approve any new compilation album or revised track list of existing releases. Rumour has it she’s either buy or in the process of buying her masters back from them too. There’s some copyright law in the US that means you can buy them back after 35 years or something. Her gross ticket sales are also in excess of $1.1 billion too. I might be misquoting the specifics here, but I’m fairly sure Madonna takes home 80% of every ticket sold and then pays out her bills from that etc (starting with Sticky and Sweet).
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 23, 2020 20:01:45 GMT
That's how much she is 'worth' now, but she has earned over a billion dollars so she's spent half of it already lol In 2003 her rep confirmed (meaning they corrected a NYTimes article) she had had generated music sales in excess of $2 billion. This is before she became a serious touring machine and before she got serious shares in Live Nation (as part of her deal with them back in 2007). Houses aside and divorces aside ( “Lawyers suck it up, didn’t have a pre-nup”), I believe Madonna’s biggest indulgence is her art collection - she’s been buying art since the 1980s. She did an interview about it years ago and I know she owns works by Warhol, Picasso, Emins and Frida Khalo. I forget the name of the artist, but those big nude female paintings in her ‘Open Your Heart’ video - she owns the originals of those too. Her brother talked about it quite a bit in his exposé. Jesus...she didn't have a pre-nup with Ritchie? I thought she was supposed to be smart...
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