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Post by dazzerlump on Jan 31, 2020 9:50:17 GMT
Well I’ve listed my for resale now on ticketmaster for Thursday Feb 6th. 2 seats in dress circle for £235 each (which is less than face value)
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 31, 2020 10:02:00 GMT
cut the first 4 songs to accommodate her injury. Fans who did the backstage tour were told this during the tour so it wasn’t just a case of her not dragging her new ass on stage.
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Post by Jonnyboy on Jan 31, 2020 10:24:13 GMT
Not got a ticket but I love God Control, and that along with the rest of the first act is a pretty big omission!
And yes I’m *still* peeved she missed a chunk at the end of a Manchester concert.
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Post by floorshow on Jan 31, 2020 14:07:35 GMT
I'm not keeping up with the injury details but surely she could sit on a stool and busk a few classics instead of jumping around and throwing some shapes? Seems v harsh just cutting the show.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 14:25:49 GMT
I'm not keeping up with the injury details but surely she could sit on a stool and busk a few classics instead of jumping around and throwing some shapes? Seems v harsh just cutting the show. Exactly. But when she cancelled her show last week she mentioned needing to do so to protect her ‘artistic vision’. She’s not going to change her performance at this point. Though the show now opens with Vogue and does so incredibly well apparently, and she’s still delivering a 1 hour 50 min show.
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Post by sbarbazza on Jan 31, 2020 15:09:50 GMT
I was there last night. It's an extraordinary and elaborate show - almost a piece of musical theatre. If I hadn't learnt till afterwards she'd lopped off the three songs I would not have been aware. It's still a one hour 50 gig - so I didn't feel short changed.
If you want a greatest hits gig, you might feel disappointed by the focus on her latest album, but it is a unique event and worth seeing if you can afford the horrible prices.
Let's hope she is fit enough to do the rest of the run and she doesn't do herself long term damage as a result.
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Post by theatreian on Jan 31, 2020 15:22:21 GMT
16 Songs is not very much though for the price she is charging. She ought to either cancel shows and perform the full show for a limited run really rather than short change the audiences for the rest of the run.
The show may well be 1 hr 50 but a lot will be talking or preaching! It does not take 1 hr 50 to sing 16 songs.
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Post by robertb213 on Jan 31, 2020 17:37:15 GMT
4th and 11th February cancelled, just seen a Facebook post from her
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 17:48:03 GMT
Very sad, I thought the 4th was guaranteed and the 5th would be cancelled. At least she’s given advance notice and people should be in line for a sizeable refund.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 19:32:48 GMT
Very sad, I thought the 4th was guaranteed and the 5th would be cancelled. Yes, that would give her the day off after every show the doctors have insisted upon, and make her statement about cancelling a little more credible:
"So as not to surprise you I want to let you know ahead of time that I will be cancelling 2 shows - on Feb 4 and Feb 11th at the Palladium in London because doing 3 shows in a row is too much on my body and in fact my doctors insist I take a day off after every show but I believe can manage if I do 2 shows then I rest!"
The full statement is a a bit OTT.
She got greedy. Knowing what she could charge for these smaller gigs, she went overboard, and now she can't manage it. But I'm sure she knows that cancelling a few more gigs will maybe help shift those £500 seats still available.
You can tell I'm not a fan...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 31, 2020 19:50:21 GMT
I’m not sure that Madonna is personally responsible for a lot of these things. She doesn’t decide ticket prices and probably doesn’t have the final say on the performance schedule either. Or if she does she will be under a lot of pressure from Live Nation or whoever she’s contracted to these days. I don’t think she ever used to do arena gigs on consecutive nights, understandably given the physical nature of her shows, so why was it done for this tour?
What’s gone wrong here is the extortionate pricing, the gruelling schedule and the unwillingness to just back out and reduced the number of shows well in advance.
Her management does her no favours.
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Post by rockinrobin on Jan 31, 2020 20:40:17 GMT
I don’t think she ever used to do arena gigs on consecutive nights, understandably given the physical nature of her shows, so why was it done for this tour? What’s gone wrong here is the extortionate pricing, the gruelling schedule and the unwillingness to just back out and reduced the number of shows well in advance. Her management does her no favours. Indeed. I think it's a "bit" cruel of whoever has decided to go on with this tour in its current form. Probably they think she's not getting younger so it might be her last big tour and money must be earned before Madonna decides to stop it. We all know stories of stars who were basically forced to perform even when unwell. Or seriously ill. On the other hand though, I think she's also under massive pressure, a self-inflicted one. Madonna is a huge name for everyone in my generation but I'm turning 40 this year - she is not as famous anymore as she used to be in the '80s and '90s, which is an absolutely natural course of things; every generation has their own idols. Back then she had little competition; now we have dozens and dozens of pop stars with dozens of millions of followers. I guess this tour is also a statement (OK, was supposed to be). I think she may have wanted to prove something. But I also think majority of her fans, including myself, would quite enjoy watching her sit on a bar stool and sing songs - even though Madonna is not the best singer in the universe - and wouldn't complain that they haven't seen 20 complex sexy dance routines in a show. I guess there comes a time in your life when - to quote - you actually can go for second best, for your own good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 20:49:29 GMT
Live Nation weren’t expecting to have to scheduled a Madonna tour for 2019/2020 and it was put together last minute. Part of her plan at keeping the album release and tour from leaking I suppose.
Because of the rush, they messed up the travel schedule and that - in part - is why certain shows were rescheduled (such as the first London show) and others started late (midnight in Vegas): the itinerary didn’t allow them to transport and set everything up in time.
At the time the tour was scheduled Madonna hadn’t started preproduction so hadn’t decided how strenuous it would be. Whether she or Live Nation signed off on 3 shows back to back remains to be seen, but during the preproduction she knew she had to do them.
In fairness she did 3 back to back shows multiple times in NYC and LA so if he hadn’t been for the knee injury she probably could have managed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 20:56:27 GMT
But I also think majority of her fans, including myself, would quite enjoy watching her sit on a bar stool and sing songs - even though Madonna is not the best singer in the universe - and wouldn't complain that they haven't seen 20 complex sexy dance routines in a show. I guess there comes a time in your life when - to quote - you actually can go for second best, for your own good. When the tour was announced her fan club had first dibs on tickets. Being in small venues, she knows she’s playing to hardcore fans and I’m really, really surprised she didn’t take the opportunity to dig deep into her catalogue and mix things up - for once in her life she doesn’t have to please tens of thousands of people who turn up for Vogue or Like a Virgin. I don’t think she’ll ever do a barstool kinda tour (I wish) but prior to Madame X Tour she has always worked out and took incredible care of herself, so that could keep doing what she was doing. Her dancing isn’t as taxing as it once was but she still manages to put on amazing shows. I would love a show that focused on her band and voice though. I know she’s mocked endlessly for her vocal abilities but the woman can sing and knows how to use what she has.
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Post by ptwest on Jan 31, 2020 21:29:13 GMT
I think cancelling with this amount of notice is so much better than the situation in Lisbon (although obviously not good) so I hope this action allows her to do the remaining dates, hopefully with the first section restored.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 31, 2020 21:34:00 GMT
I’m not sure that Madonna is personally responsible for a lot of these things. She doesn’t decide ticket prices and probably doesn’t have the final say on the performance schedule either. Or if she does she will be under a lot of pressure from Live Nation or whoever she’s contracted to these days. I don’t think she ever used to do arena gigs on consecutive nights, understandably given the physical nature of her shows, so why was it done for this tour? What’s gone wrong here is the extortionate pricing, the gruelling schedule and the unwillingness to just back out and reduced the number of shows well in advance. Her management does her no favours. Well she does kinda decide ticket prices as she will demand a certain amount per show and the promoter then has to work out how they are going to charge with their share on top of that. Her prices skyrocketed after she found out how much they were going for on Ebay for the Drowned World Tour. She said that if people were willing to pay that much, that was how much she was going to charge. If she did more than one show in a city she always did back to back shows, but usually only 2 in a row at the most and then had a night off. The whole tour has been a mess from the start. They did the fan lottery system and turned down a lot of people and then when they put the 'leftovers' on sale to the general public, the seats were better than the ones they had allotted to people who had won the lottery and there were hundreds of them left for each date. Heaps of people who already had tickets got pissed off because they were allotted crappy seats when they would've paid for better ones if given the option originally. The people who'd been turned down in the lottery got pissed off as obviously there were plenty of seats left and it'd all been a scheme to create a fake rush. And non fans didn't buy tickets because they were far too expensive. Disaster...
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Post by theatreian on Jan 31, 2020 22:41:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 22:42:56 GMT
Her prices skyrocketed after she found out how much they were going for on Ebay for the Drowned World Tour. She said that if people were willing to pay that much, that was how much she was going to charge. I always thought that was fair actually and to help justify the expense (tickets basically doubled in price compared to her previous tour) the tour was advertised as having all of her hits: mostly songs she hadn’t performed in over 14 years: Re-Invention Tour is underrated but it completely changed the touring industry. Madonna was one of the first to show people were prepared to pay big money for official tickets, and one of the first to feature such huge screens and merge it with live performance on such a big scale. It really was the turning point in a fledging industry at the time (interestingly, Christina Aguilera bought her stage and used it on her Back to Basics Tour a few years later).
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Post by shady23 on Feb 1, 2020 8:11:33 GMT
Totally get this. I am a Robbie Williams fan and he always talks of when he does songs he really wants to play (but aren't the hits) the crowd just aren't interested and it's a bit souls destroying.
He did a tiny show at Camden Roundhouse back end of last year and it was only non released songs and album tracks. Not a hit to be seen! It was my favourite concert of his I have ever been to and I have been to a lot.
Only £40 a ticket as it was to give back to the crazy dedicated fans like myself. It was a very special night.
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Post by ptwest on Feb 1, 2020 8:57:24 GMT
Totally get this. I am a Robbie Williams fan and he always talks of when he does songs he really wants to play (but aren't the hits) the crowd just aren't interested and it's a bit souls destroying. He did a tiny show at Camden Roundhouse back end of last year and it was only non released songs and album tracks. Not a hit to be seen! It was my favourite concert of his I have ever been to and I have been to a lot. Only £40 a ticket as it was to give back to the crazy dedicated fans like myself. It was a very special night. I know Kylie’s Anti Tour has been mentioned a few times but it was exactly this, and so much fun. I’m not sure Madonna is able to loosen up to that degree,the only time she’s really come close was that bizarre clown thing that was discussed early In the thread. I would love it if she did though, so many songs that she has never performed live.
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Post by floorshow on Feb 2, 2020 11:42:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 15:32:50 GMT
The tour was announced last May so 8 to 9 months is a huge amount of time for Live Nation to schedule it. There isn't an immediate show booked to go into the Palladium so if Madge cannot do consecutive shows which must have become clear early in the tour then the dates could have been adjusted.
Also she has done enough tours and no doubt they are highly rehearsed then if she felt the schedule would be too much ask for them to be spaced out a bit more. This is Madonna we are talking about, if she cannot demand this then who can.
The likes of the Stones, McCartney, Cher, Elton all do tours and seem to get their itineraries balanced right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 20:13:16 GMT
The tour was announced last May so 8 to 9 months is a huge amount of time for Live Nation to schedule it. There isn't an immediate show booked to go into the Palladium so if Madge cannot do consecutive shows which must have become clear early in the tour then the dates could have been adjusted. Also she has done enough tours and no doubt they are highly rehearsed then if she felt the schedule would be too much ask for them to be spaced out a bit more. This is Madonna we are talking about, if she cannot demand this then who can. The likes of the Stones, McCartney, Cher, Elton all do tours and seem to get their itineraries balanced right. That’s not how it works at all. The tour was announced last May but tickets went on sale a few days later - not days before the show. Madonna went to Live Nation and told them early 2019 that she wanted to tour this year - giving them a few months to get everything sorted. Madonna usually tours with two stages when she tours (one for the current city, one sent ahead to the next) but only has one stage on Madame X Tour too. She can’t just extend her Palladium dates because she’s on tour - she’s due in Paris a few days after her her last London show. As has been widely reported and discussed here, it’s not the schedule that is preventing her from performing all shows. It’s an injury she obtained in rehearsals and hasn’t had any real time to let it recover. Most acts would cancel the entire tour but she’s kept going as best she can.
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Post by theatreian on Feb 2, 2020 22:22:01 GMT
it’s not the schedule that is preventing her from performing all shows The fact that she has cancelled shows so she doesn't do more than 2 in a row and has to have all the treatment on show days must show the schedule has some part to play. The fact that there are multiple shows in each venue means there are more occasions where she is doing back to back shows. Obviously Madonna is not Superwoman and it will take longer to recover from concerts as you get older. Although I admire her for carrying on, surely the sensible thing would have been to cancel and reschedule the tour. Any real fan would not want to see their star in so much pain for what is after all just a concert.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 23:33:00 GMT
it’s not the schedule that is preventing her from performing all shows The fact that she has cancelled shows so she doesn't do more than 2 in a row and has to have all the treatment on show days must show the schedule has some part to play. The fact that there are multiple shows in each venue means there are more occasions where she is doing back to back shows. Obviously Madonna is not Superwoman and it will take longer to recover from concerts as you get older. Although I admire her for carrying on, surely the sensible thing would have been to cancel and reschedule the tour. Any real fan would not want to see their star in so much pain for what is after all just a concert. Of course not. The schedule was decided at a time before she had an injury. There is nothing to suggest that if she wasn’t injured she would be unable to perform the announced shows. Whilst she wasn’t doing 3 back to back shows on her last tour, she was still doing 4 arena shows across 5 day periods with ease... and that was only 4 years ago. Whilst I appreciate that many fans are disappointed she’s cancelled shows, this is the reality of touring - people cancel shows. I think the biggest issue is Madonna has rarely ever cancelled shows and people just aren’t used to it. I’ve had Bjork cancel shows on me because she had a cough. Eminem cancelled because he went to rehab. Things happen and you just have to accept it really.
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