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Post by Jon on Jan 22, 2019 20:48:48 GMT
cost reasons and to an extent scheduling reasons. Costwise, they already have the cast, locations, sets, extras etc. Would it cost that much more to give those scenes more screen time? Schedulingwise, McMafia was given 8 episodes in the Sunday 9pm slot and that wasn't as star-stuffed or appealing a production as this. McMafia debuted with three episodes in the same week whereas with Les Miserables, that wasn't possible because of Luther getting a stripped run. It has to be finished by the BAFTAs. McMafia also was a contemporary drama which tend to be a bit cheaper per episode. Drama is expensive and the BBC drama budget isn't unlimited, if Les Miserables had more episodes then it's possible another drama would have their episode count cut or not commissioned at all. It's a tricky balance
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Post by daisy24601 on Jan 23, 2019 0:44:44 GMT
Valjean being a superhero! Brilliant. I'm still undecided on how I feel about him in this series, I don't feel like we really know him well enough. Btw where does he get all his money from? I know he owned a factory but he seems to have an endless pot of gold.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jan 23, 2019 1:46:53 GMT
Yes, the Valjean magic money tree must be quite impressive.
We know he was given stuff to sell by the Bishop - but to use that (and not the candlesticks) to set up a factory and produce a lifetime supply of money in 3 years is somewhat unbelievable.
It is just one of the things we have to accept without thinking too deeply about it. Just as we have to accept all the extraordinary coincidences in the narrative.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 10:54:05 GMT
JVJ Crafts inc. Love it.
Caught up on last Sunday's finally, blimey it all kicked off didn't it? Did love old Prince Charles Marius, and the students as a whole are a great group from what we've seen. Loving West's work as JVJ, and, if I may he is a damn handsome man to boot. Javert's brooding and not much action is getting a bit dull (not the actor's fault naturally) but the slow burn atmosphere I think will pay off in the final episodes.
If anyone is remotely interested in my opinions on this among other things, I can be found wittering on BBC Radio Wales' review show tonight at 6.30...https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00024x7
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Post by peggs on Jan 26, 2019 19:27:59 GMT
My only exposure prior to this tv series was watching the film a few years back, I got to the end and turned to my friend and said 'when was I meant to cry?' (everyone had told me I would cry) and she looked at me as the heartless person I clearly was. Just finished episode 3 and Cosette has just said whilst on the run 'my feet hurt', 'i'm cold' and I've thought, 'get a grip, you were wearing no shoes, worked to the bone (but appeared hopeless at sweeping) and underfed a moment a go, you softened up fast'. but then she collapsed and it turned out I was heartless again. I do like Dominic West, there's a lot to root for his portrayal and this character especially contrasted against the seemingly heartless policeman. I rather rolled my eyes at Fantine, heartless again, and love our dastardly duo from the inn, glorious those two. As not familiar with the musical I don't miss the songs and am enjoying playing 'oh look it's so and so, this is cast well, pretty much every little character is awash with acting talent. There are things I am curious about that perhaps reading the book would answer but I suspect that is a task beyond me so will just go with this for now.
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Post by justinj on Jan 26, 2019 19:51:13 GMT
The ageing did seem a little inconsistent between episodes 3 and 4 Some people hardly seem to change at all and others were barely recognisable. I think the pace is going to be somewhat breathless for the final 2 episodes (unless one of them is extended) as we now have a lot of plot to get through. In terms of the musical, we have yet to reach the end of Act 1 - and yet we are 2/3rd of the way through the run time. I think act one is longer than act two though in the musical?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jan 26, 2019 20:29:10 GMT
It is - but not more than twice as long!
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jan 27, 2019 23:24:48 GMT
Next week - 75 minutes for the final episode.
Still one hell of a lot of plot to fit it.
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Post by daisy24601 on Jan 28, 2019 0:12:21 GMT
I don't care too much for Cosette in the musical, but my goodness she is an annoying little brat in this isn't she?
Definite reminders of the 2013 film in tonights episode but I think that was unavoidable.
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Post by crowblack on Jan 28, 2019 12:55:29 GMT
Finally lots of student / barricade stuff! There was a nice nod to Casablanca with the Marseillaise and the street fighting got quite Zulu, and Grantaire's lovesick gazing at Enjolras is so much more enjoyable than Marius and Cosette.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jan 28, 2019 19:47:11 GMT
At least the shape of the police uniform hat was explained - it exactly matches the vaulted roof of the jail, so they can move through it easily without removing headgear. Was the budget so low that they could only afford to build the roof a couple of inches above their heads?
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Post by crowblack on Jan 28, 2019 20:13:47 GMT
it exactly matches the vaulted roof of the jail, so they can move through it easily without removing headgear. I thought the same in a scene with the Beadle in the BBC / Sarah Phelps Oliver Twist a few years back!
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Post by freckles on Jan 29, 2019 8:04:51 GMT
At least the shape of the police uniform hat was explained - it exactly matches the vaulted roof of the jail, so they can move through it easily without removing headgear. For the rest of the episode, the cinematography as the cavalry charged the funeral-goers was impressive - that aerial panning shot. Do hope that the riot where things were thrown at the horses was CGI, though. Also, I defy anyone not to admit they were humming "On My Own" and "A Little Fall Of Rain" at crucial points. Roll on next Sunday. Between this and "Call The Midwife" the standard of BBC TV that day has shot up, I think. I mentally add my own soundtrack throughout every week!
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jan 29, 2019 8:42:34 GMT
At least the shape of the police uniform hat was explained - it exactly matches the vaulted roof of the jail, so they can move through it easily without removing headgear. For the rest of the episode, the cinematography as the cavalry charged the funeral-goers was impressive - that aerial panning shot. Do hope that the riot where things were thrown at the horses was CGI, though. Also, I defy anyone not to admit they were humming "On My Own" and "A Little Fall Of Rain" at crucial points. Roll on next Sunday. Between this and "Call The Midwife" the standard of BBC TV that day has shot up, I think. I mentally add my own soundtrack throughout every week! Same here it's amazing how versatile supercalifragilisticexpialidocious is as a lyric
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Post by adrianics on Jan 29, 2019 11:34:13 GMT
Javert's "how do you do, fellow kids" approach to going undercover in the barricade was absolutely hysterical!
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Post by winonaforever on Jan 29, 2019 14:27:35 GMT
I enjoyed the first couple of episodes, but Little Cosette's wig and Adult Cosette's dodgy bleached hair put me right off. Don't like the Cosette (who's normally my favourite character) at all. Don't like Marius, couldn't stand Eponine!
I do like JVJ and Javert very much though, and M et Mme Thenardier...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 29, 2019 16:22:30 GMT
I don't care too much for Cosette in the musical, but my goodness she is an annoying little brat in this isn't she? Definite reminders of the 2013 film in tonights episode but I think that was unavoidable. Her and Marius are both totally wet, but she did look absolutely beautiful in the garden scenes where she was meeting him in secret. All flushed and confuddled with first love. Remember feeling like that? No me neither 😐 I thought it was very well acted though.
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Post by peggs on Jan 29, 2019 17:33:20 GMT
I had to watch episode 4 in 2 halves, got exasperated with Colette first half (She must have blanked out that early childhood to now be so wet and complainy) and when I went back marius was doing the love struck calf thing. Don't know who's doing his washing but those are lovely white shirts as he seemingly sleeps in them. Quite happy with those not wandering around in state of romantic obsession for someone they've barely met.
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Post by gibbo1956 on Jan 30, 2019 15:24:13 GMT
Has Ellie Bamber done much stage work? She must be in line for the next West End Juliet?
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Post by crowblack on Jan 30, 2019 19:49:48 GMT
According to IMDB, at the Menier Choc Factory, Old Vic and Donmar, with some award nominations.
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Post by miz on Jan 31, 2019 19:23:58 GMT
I am a huge fan of both the musical and the novel. For me, Les Miserables is the best musical in the entire universe. I also love the novel but I admit to having skipped most of the sewage descriptions.
As I don't often watch TV, I am not a good judge of TV dramas, but I am enjoying the current BBC series. I like the fact that some of the details I love so much in the novel are there in the series. For instance, the fact that Gavroche looks after other little street kids is one of my favourite parts from the novel. So, I was very happy to see such a scene in the TV series.
At the same time, by watching the TV drama, you realise how well the essence of the novel is condensed into the musical version. The genius of the creators.
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Post by adrianics on Feb 1, 2019 12:05:03 GMT
To give my full opinion, I'm really enjoying this series. I've never read the book but am familiar with some of its intricacies, but even as a fan of the musical it's fun to see some different interpretations and the story in a new light.
I particularly love the portrayals of Valjean, Javert and the Thenardiers. Valjean as a righteously furious and constantly paranoid man barely keeping it together makes perfect sense to me, and I loved how Dominic West played his reaction to the Bishop gifting his silver (bursting out laughing like he can't believe what's happening).
Javert immediately recognising Valjean and proceeding to screw with him was also great, I loved how they portrayed the cart scene as more of a "you've now done something I can't pretend I didn't notice" rather than an epiphany. It's also very interesting to see that Javert's obsession is effecting his competency, his colleagues are clearly pretty weary of how he focuses on Valjean at the expense of what they consider more important work, and how he blows his cover on the barricade almost immediately.
And the Thenardiers being portrayed as complete, irredeemable pieces of sh*t is so effective.
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Post by crowblack on Feb 2, 2019 15:19:30 GMT
I think Erin Kellyman has been really impressive in this. I'd only seen her in Raised by Wolves before, but she's got something of the late Charlotte Coleman about her - a captivating presence on screen. She makes the older actors seem a bit panto-ish, tbh. And Joseph Quinn is as fab as hoped, a more human and nuanced Enjolras than the rather one-note heroic blonde of the novel/musical. I thought his expression on the barricade as the troops made their Zulu-like advance, and that exchange of glances with Javert over Mabeuf's body were some of the strongest moments of this episode.
Javert is still an issue, though - his characterisation and dialogue keep reminding me of that Kate Beaton cartoon. I think maybe it would have been better if they'd started this series like one of the film versions I saw when I was a kid (the Antony Perkins one?), with Jean Valjean stealing the bread and his prison sentence, punishment piling on punishment and the long animosity with Javert growing. I can see why TV makers might think beginning a series with half an hour of pure misery would be a viewer turn-off, and maybe they'd be right, but by beginning the series at the end of his sentence, with JVJ already brutalised, I think we've lost that sense of perspective. I just remember, watching it as a child, how much more invested I became in their story when it was presented that way.
(And yes, I know - Hugo opens with the life story of the bishop!)
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 3, 2019 22:26:58 GMT
Well. I thought that was absolutely bloody gorgeous. Heartbreaking and uplifting. Loved it
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 3, 2019 22:27:47 GMT
Meh.
I just didn't find Javert's change of heart credible. Having set up the character in the way AD chose to, it was inconceivable to my mind that this Javert would have reacted to JVJ's clear humanity with anything other than contempt. Just rang utterly false for me. The characterisation of Javert has been the biggest mis-step of this version for me.
As for the rest, I didn't have any emotional reaction to this final episode. Didn't care enough about any of them.
I know I am very much in the minority on this - but I just found the whole thing both overblown and underwhelming. Shame.
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