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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 10:45:30 GMT
I think there may have been a previous thread on this but I can't find it. Anyway, concept designs for the proposed new Concert Hall for London, to be built on the current site of the Museum of London, have been revealed. Looks amazing! Don't hold your breath though. www.culturemile.london/centreformusic/#article
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Post by Dawnstar on Jan 21, 2019 20:19:26 GMT
Given the frequent hand-wringing about declining audiences for classical music, does London really need another concert hall? Although if they fancied knocking down the Barbican & starting again with about 95% less concrete then I'd be on board!
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jan 21, 2019 22:11:39 GMT
If this means hearing the wonderful LSO and BBC symphony orchestra without going to the Barbican then Im sold on the plan
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Post by Jon on Jan 22, 2019 0:36:31 GMT
What would happen to the Barbican Hall if the Centre of Music is built?
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 22, 2019 1:39:52 GMT
Something in tonight’s Evening Standard, although I do not follow the genre, I have a colleague who is mad on classical music, only tonight he has gone to a concert at Wigmore Hall, so he will be well pleased. This artist impression looks amazing though, agree with Jon the elephant in the room, is what do they do with the Barbican Symphony Hall? Could convert it into a theatre, but really is there much call for such another theatre in that area.
Interestingly classical music, it doesn’t matter where you sit, as it is a hearing thing and not visual like theatre. Classical music gets a sizeable Arts Council grant, for something there is no set, lighting or costumes, also no rehearsals, as a orchestra can just turn up and play what is instructed. However the orchestra are very skilled at what they do and they have a special ability that takes years for them to learn to play so well, I understand they’re not paid very well?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 6:24:09 GMT
The plan seems to be this will be run by the Barbican in addition to its existing venues ... There is a long-term masterplan to transform the area in a "cultural mile" over the next 10 to 20 years, capitalising on the impact of Crossrail - www.ft.com/content/ab89e83e-6ca3-11e7-b9c7-15af748b60d0Interesting that they say My understanding is the Barbican isn't able to use its outdoor terraces for performances due to complaints from the residents in the Barbican Estate so not sure how this is going to work!
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jan 22, 2019 7:17:41 GMT
Phantom of London of London Trust me an or orchestra does need to rehearse and they do. A normal BBC symphony concert of around 1.5hrs of music will have 2 or 3 days rehearsals
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 22, 2019 8:18:20 GMT
The front rows on the upper levels appear to have no barrier in front of them, unless it’s supposed to be glass which seems a bit precarious from a heath and safety perspective.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 22, 2019 11:06:07 GMT
Phantom of London of London Trust me an or orchestra does need to rehearse and they do. A normal BBC symphony concert of around 1.5hrs of music will have 2 or 3 days rehearsals Thanks, didn’t know that, don’t really follow the genre, but respect it as it is part of our arts portfolio. Always assumed they just turn up and play the music as written and led by the conductor.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 22, 2019 12:08:51 GMT
Given the frequent hand-wringing about declining audiences for classical music, does London really need another concert hall? Although if they fancied knocking down the Barbican & starting again with about 95% less concrete then I'd be on board! Funnily enough there's been news recently about an increase in classical music listening among those under 35 - Classic FM has seen a 30% increase in the age group, and it was the fastest growing genre for streaming in 2018, up 10% overall. Doubtless this is partly why a new classical music radio station - Scala - was announced yesterday. www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-46947959
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Post by Backdrifter on Jan 22, 2019 12:12:03 GMT
I have to say I do love this idea of an orchestra just showing up unrehearsed. Then milling around performing in the dark on stage because there's no set or lighting.
Why are people wondering, based on the above plan, what will now happen to the Barbican Hall? I'm assuming that as the Barbican is a partner in this enterprise and there's talk of expansion, that performance will be shared between the halls?
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Post by Dawnstar on Jan 22, 2019 13:30:46 GMT
Interestingly classical music, it doesn’t matter where you sit, as it is a hearing thing and not visual like theatre. I'd say it depends on what type of music you are going to hear. If it is purely orchestral then arguably the visual side is less important (though I know someone who likes sitting front row to see the actual playing in close-up). However when I go to concerts they're almost always concert performances of operas and therefore being able to see the singers is important for me. They may not be acting full-out but they, or at least those that are fully engaged, will be acting facially and using some gestures.
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Post by TallPaul on Jan 22, 2019 14:19:34 GMT
The drawing are only design concepts at this stage, but it is a good point Burly raises. Although modern glass would be perfectly safe, it's a far from ideal material to create the perfect acoustic, as I understand it.
And doesn't the exterior look rather similar to the Tate extension?
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Post by Backdrifter on Jan 22, 2019 14:20:13 GMT
The front rows on the upper levels appear to have no barrier in front of them, unless it’s supposed to be glass which seems a bit precarious from a heath and safety perspective. I assumed this was simply the intention to depict where everything would be without having to go down to the detail of safety rails etc because it's literally not showing anything there at all, not even glass. Blimey can you imagine if that was the case! Immaculately dressed patrons edging inch by inch to and from their seats, their faces rigid masks of tension, the occasional arm-paddling, leg-wobbling overbalancing concert-goer tipping over with a receding "gaaaaahhhh!" as they plummet to the lower levels. The headlines - BRAND NEW FLAGSHIP CONCERT HALL CLOSES ON OPENING GALA NIGHT AMID HEALTH & SAFETY CARNAGE - "We just don't know how we missed this" admit safety chiefs (A good intro should always refer to some "chiefs", by the way)
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 22, 2019 15:26:43 GMT
The drawing are only design concepts at this stage, but it is a good point Burly raises. Although modern glass would be perfectly safe, it's a far from ideal material to create the perfect acoustic, as I understand it. Not to mention the way it would reflect lighting which, given the shape of the Hall would be a nightmare. Apart from that, glass might be safe but tell that to someone with vertigo, finding themselves in the front row with only a sheet of glass between them and certain death. If they’ve left it out of the drawings for arstistic purposes then that’s very misleading, yet typical of the sort of film-flam architects get up to in the conceptual stage. You should take the rest of the proposed design with a pinch of salt, as it will probably look nowt like the finished building.
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Post by Backdrifter on Jan 22, 2019 22:36:41 GMT
You should take the rest of the proposed design with a pinch of salt, as it will probably look nowt like the finished building. Well yes, I suppose unless that website says definitively that's what it'll be like, they're free to produce an auditorium of corrugated iron with rusty upturned buckets and crates as seats. Which I'd actually kind of like to see.
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Post by tonyloco on Jan 24, 2019 16:56:49 GMT
Well, if London really does need a major new concert hall then let's hope that the acoustics are superb, the public areas comfortable and easily navigable and the cost does not spiral wildly out of control.
Is anybody laying any bets on those three things?
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Post by tmesis on Jan 24, 2019 20:50:00 GMT
Well, if London really does need a major new concert hall then let's hope that the acoustics are superb, the public areas comfortable and easily navigable and the cost does not spiral wildly out of control. Is anybody laying any bets on those three things? London really does need a concert hall with decent acoustics. The RFH, RAH and Barbican are all considerably wanting sound-wise. None of them come close to the lovely warm, but detailed sound you get at Snape Maltings or, best of all, the fabulous Musikverein, Vienna.
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Post by tonyloco on Jan 24, 2019 23:49:08 GMT
London really does need a concert hall with decent acoustics. The RFH, RAH and Barbican are all considerably wanting sound-wise. None of them come close to the lovely warm, but detailed sound you get at Snape Maltings or, best of all, the fabulous Musikverein, Vienna. Yes, I have been to the Musikverein in Vienna and heard the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra and the sound was superb – and that space is basically a large shoe box, and I understand that the Concertgebouw in Amsterdam is similar. I have never been to the Philharmonie in Berlin, which the proposed new concert hall for London rather resembles, but I have been numerous times to the concert hall in the Sydney Opera House which is apparently loosely based on the Philharmonie and the acoustics there are frightful. It would be a disaster for London if a new concert hall is built which again turns out to be acoustically poor. Having said that, the relatively new Symphony Hall in Birmingham has extremely good acoustics so it can be achieved, although that is based on the shape of the Musikverein and the Concertgebouw.
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