3,040 posts
|
Post by crowblack on Aug 9, 2018 18:24:54 GMT
They are doing this with Rees-Mogg too, and they have no excuse, because I suspect a hell of a lot of the people in power at the BBC and other media organisations now are of his and Rees-Mogg's Oxford generation. They knew these men as students - and R-M and BJ made sure they were prominent at the time. Several will have known them from Eton. They know exactly what they are.
|
|
|
|
Post by Mr Snow on Aug 9, 2018 19:48:59 GMT
His methods have brought him wealth and position Inheritance, and the "right" background I fear did rather more to do that. Sorry underestimating him. Yes priviledge opens doors but he rushed through them. He had more opportunity than alomost everyone else, but he grabbed it and rose above his peers in terms of fame and power - Which is what I think motivates him. People say similar things about Trump, but there are plenty of Rich Kids who never get a sniff of becoming POTUS or anything like that. Keep dismissing what they do it and you make it easy for them to continue. |
|
|
|
Post by apubleed on Aug 9, 2018 21:13:25 GMT
You have the entire internet at your finger tips to educate yourself in this subject if you don’t feel you know anything about it.  You're right. Instead of looking for people that have a wide religious education across many religions and background in scientific research, why don't we ask people who have been indoctrinated into one of the world's worst child brainwashing schemes and see whether they can give a more balanced view about said scheme. Hmmm. |
|
952 posts
|
Post by vdcni on Aug 9, 2018 22:20:22 GMT
Apropos of nothing very much, my good friend works for the Foreign Office at the British Embassy in a major European capital. BJ visited last year and there were lots of grumbles from the rather left leaning staff about him coming, having to meet and greet, line up and shake hands etc. Anyway he rolled up in the official limo, virtually fell out of the car, suit crumpled, shirt hanging out, hair all over the place etc, and proceeded to charm the knickers off the lot of them for an hour before disappearing off to the ambassadors residence for a boozy lunch. Had them eating out of his hand. I suspect there’s something about him that only projects in person, which may be why he was a popular mayor. He certainly got out and about and met people. Something that can’t be said for the current incumbent. Utter nonsense. I would absolutely say that Khan and also Livingstone were more public. The most remembered time that Johnson was on the streets in London was when he was rightfully abused after the riots. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 8:14:00 GMT
I've never seen Sadiq on the streets of London. Although to be fair, I could very well have tripped over him at some point without noticing, I can't be sure.
|
|
722 posts
|
Post by hulmeman on Aug 10, 2018 8:49:05 GMT
I see Rowan Atkinson has waded into the "burka" debate saying BJ has nothing to apologise for and that ridiculing religion is a good thing (I paraphrase!). Surely a funnyman of Rowan's experience should know there is a difference between ridiculing religion and ridiculing the followers of that religion.
|
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 8:50:49 GMT
I have never seen anyone wearing a burqa in a theatre. I wonder why that is ?
I could now go on an anti fundamentalist-Islam diatribe, but I think we all know it anyway.
|
|
4,995 posts
Member is Online
|
Post by Someone in a tree on Aug 10, 2018 13:15:05 GMT
I see Rowan Atkinson has waded into the "burka" debate saying BJ has nothing to apologise for and that ridiculing religion is a good thing (I paraphrase!). Surely a funnyman of Rowan's experience should know there is a difference between ridiculing religion and ridiculing the followers of that religion. I haven’t read Rowan’s comment because that would accessing the Times website and its paywall. I’m for ridiculing everything including religion ( the Catholic Church is often at the top of my list) .... Any vicar will get a fair share of dog coller and man in dress remarks from the average person in the street, right ? |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 13:45:27 GMT
If he wants to tell jokes he should go back on the television or try standup, he should not be thought of as a statesman. The arts are not politics yet many people seem to be unable to distinguish between them.
|
|
722 posts
|
Post by hulmeman on Aug 10, 2018 15:44:35 GMT
I see Rowan Atkinson has waded into the "burka" debate saying BJ has nothing to apologise for and that ridiculing religion is a good thing (I paraphrase!). Surely a funnyman of Rowan's experience should know there is a difference between ridiculing religion and ridiculing the followers of that religion. I haven’t read Rowan’s comment because that would accessing the Times website and its paywall. I’m for ridiculing everything including religion ( the Catholic Church is often at the top of my list) .... Any vicar will get a fair share of dog coller and man in dress remarks from the average person in the street, right ? Totally agree and to avoid the Times paywall - here's the BBC report - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45139084 |
|
1,972 posts
|
Post by sf on Aug 10, 2018 16:12:57 GMT
I see Rowan Atkinson has waded into the "burka" debate saying BJ has nothing to apologise for and that ridiculing religion is a good thing (I paraphrase!). Surely a funnyman of Rowan's experience should know there is a difference between ridiculing religion and ridiculing the followers of that religion.
You'd think, but the last time Mr. Atkinson was funny was at least a decade and a half ago. He's rusty.
|
|
|
|
Post by Jan on Aug 10, 2018 17:38:56 GMT
Boris’ letterbox comment was previously made by the Guardian. I couldn’t find the thread here full of indignation about that - why not ? blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/letterbox-gate-who-said-it-first-boris-or-the-guardian/it is an old joke actually, the Blessed Stephen Fry has also used it. The occasion for Boris’ remarks is that the burka has been banned in Denmark, as it has also been by some of our other EU partners that you are all so keen to integrate with. In general left-wing feminists - Polly Toynbee, Emily Thornberry - have said far worse things about the burka. Boris argued against a ban in his article. Also, Boris’ great grandfather was a prominent Muslim journalist and politician so he has some right to comment on this issue. |
|
|
|
Post by Jan on Aug 10, 2018 18:02:51 GMT
Both Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg both went to Oxford and got a second class degree, I mean really. Did you go to university ? They got upper second degrees which is very good. People who got better include Cameron, Osborne, and me. |
|
1,972 posts
|
Post by sf on Aug 10, 2018 20:26:29 GMT
Boris argued against a ban in his article. You mean he sounded the dog-whistle then wrote a conclusion which he hoped would give him plausible deniability. Not all of us were credulous enough to fall for it. |
|
2,762 posts
Member is Online
|
Post by n1david on Aug 10, 2018 23:23:50 GMT
Boris’ letterbox comment was previously made by the Guardian. I couldn’t find the thread here full of indignation about that - why not ? The comment was made in the Guardian in a satirical article by a Muslim woman who started the article "Yes, the burqa-bashing season is on us again... The dangerous criminalisation of the burqa, and those who wear it, plays out repeatedly so that what women wear – or more specifically what some Muslim women wear – means it is seen as a threat to national security... But the next time you spot an unidentifiable woman who wants to pop out in pyjamas to buy milk by stealth, do not be alarmed: keep calm, think of Nigella Lawson and follow our top tips on how you could use a burqa too." Do you think the context of this comment is the same as Boris's article? www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/06/burqa-bashing-mohammed-ahmed-mohamed-image |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 4:28:32 GMT
Do you think the context of this comment is the same as Boris's article? On The Last Leg last night they made the point that it's all about being a member of "the club", which in their case is the People With Disabilities club. If you're in "the club" then you can joke about things. If you're not then it gets difficult, and most of all when you position yourself above "the club". Boris Johnson is wealthy and privileged, with an amount of power and influence only a minuscule number of people can hope to achieve. He's one of the people involved in creating the legislation that controls what everyone else is permitted to do. At that level you don't get to pass things off as just a joke. He can say that he doesn't want to ban any religious dress as much as he likes, but he's one of the very few people who could actually make a ban happen and that makes it not funny at all. |
|
2,342 posts
|
Post by theglenbucklaird on Aug 11, 2018 8:05:48 GMT
Do you think the context of this comment is the same as Boris's article? On The Last Leg last night they made the point that it's all about being a member of "the club", which in their case is the People With Disabilities club. If you're in "the club" then you can joke about things. If you're not then it gets difficult, and most of all when you position yourself above "the club". Boris Johnson is wealthy and privileged, with an amount of power and influence only a minuscule number of people can hope to achieve. He's one of the people involved in creating the legislation that controls what everyone else is permitted to do. At that level you don't get to pass things off as just a joke. He can say that he doesn't want to ban any religious dress as much as he likes, but he's one of the very few people who could actually make a ban happen and that makes it not funny at all. He was trying to be funny? |
|
|
|
Post by stagebyte on Aug 11, 2018 11:12:11 GMT
Is Christine Hamilton trying to be funny?
|
|
2,342 posts
|
Post by theglenbucklaird on Aug 11, 2018 11:14:31 GMT
Is Christine Hamilton trying to be funny? I arfed |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 11:42:02 GMT
I don’t get the “joke”. I have never seen a black letter box.
|
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 12:31:06 GMT
Given that Johnson seems to want to be inflammatory maybe he could actually do some good by attacking Saudi Arabia at this point in time, who are engaged in appalling activities against female activists, not to mention trying to erase Yemen from the planet and in league with Israel and the US in attempts to do something similar to Iran? It seems as though plucky Canada is being left unsupported on this so would those arms sales be a bit of an issue Boris? He’s previously attacked Saudi but said that the leader doing this ‘deserves our support’ earlier this year? Come on Boris, you aren’t a minister now.....
If he did then he might claw back some credibility, as would any member of the government whose cowardly silence is not going unnoticed. Or, rather than that, is he just engaged in metaphorical squirrel chasing?
|
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 18:34:18 GMT
Or, rather than that, is he just engaged in metaphorical squirrel chasing? That's more dangerous nowadays too . . .
|
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 18:57:49 GMT
Is Christine Hamilton trying to be funny? I think this relates to an old Chubby Brown joke. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 18:59:45 GMT
It is a difficult one as people would not be allowed in some venues with their face covered and others might argue what is the difference between this and a mask. But if some people consider it a part of their faith then this should be respected if they are wearing it of their own free will.
|
|
