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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 2:03:34 GMT
Anyone else think it’s becoming a big problem now?
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Post by asfound on Aug 2, 2018 6:43:05 GMT
Too much? Too little? Diversity of what?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 7:24:58 GMT
I don't know. I haven't seen them since the panto with Elaine Paige.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 7:58:54 GMT
There's too much Westism in the West End. It should be inclusive of the East End. And North End. And Southend. Also Bell End.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 8:01:49 GMT
Off the back of that, and possibly off-topic but frankly as I'm not sure what the topic is even intended to be at the moment I'm sure you'll forgive me, does anyone know why London has decided to try rebranding the Strand area as the "Northbank"? You don't *have* to have a north version just because there's a south version (otherwise surely there'd be a Nussex to go with Sussex, Essex, and Wessex), so I just get a lot of second-hand embarrassment when I walk along this reasonably-iconic-in-its-own-right road in the winter and see all the "THIS IS THE NORTHBANK " decorations.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 2, 2018 8:04:25 GMT
That would cut down on my travel time!
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Post by profquatermass on Aug 2, 2018 8:55:28 GMT
Off the back of that, and possibly off-topic but frankly as I'm not sure what the topic is even intended to be at the moment I'm sure you'll forgive me, does anyone know why London has decided to try rebranding the Strand area as the "Northbank"? You don't *have* to have a north version just because there's a south version (otherwise surely there'd be a Nussex to go with Sussex, Essex, and Wessex), so I just get a lot of second-hand embarrassment when I walk along this reasonably-iconic-in-its-own-right road in the winter and see all the "THIS IS THE NORTHBANK " decorations. It makes perfect sense. It means that shops and businesses can market events jointly. I guess they could have called themselves 'the Strand area' but that's a bit clunky thenorthbank.london/But like everyone else, I'd love to know what the original post means
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Post by TallPaul on Aug 2, 2018 9:08:12 GMT
The Northbank is a BID, or Business Improvement District, that also includes Trafalgar Square and Covent Garden, so it's as good a name as any. It certainly makes more sense than Midtown, which is the area to the north midway between two cities.
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Post by Mr Snow on Aug 2, 2018 9:09:27 GMT
Off the back of that, and possibly off-topic but frankly as I'm not sure what the topic is even intended to be at the moment I'm sure you'll forgive me, does anyone know why London has decided to try rebranding the Strand area as the "Northbank"? You don't *have* to have a north version just because there's a south version (otherwise surely there'd be a Nussex to go with Sussex, Essex, and Wessex), so I just get a lot of second-hand embarrassment when I walk along this reasonably-iconic-in-its-own-right road in the winter and see all the "THIS IS THE NORTHBANK " decorations. Love your idea. Have adopted this in my Avatar, and will make this my county of choice when web forms demand I have one!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 9:16:29 GMT
Just 'cos there's a website doesn't mean it's not a fairly recent development (2013, as far as I can tell), nor does it make my cringe-reflex any less pronounced. The Southbank has historically been a bit of a wasteground so benefitted from having a unifying name. Trafalgar Square + the Strand + surrounding areas are somewhat more historically well-known and oft-visited and more than capable of standing on their own two (or however many applicable in this instance) feet.
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Post by profquatermass on Aug 2, 2018 9:40:06 GMT
Just 'cos there's a website doesn't mean it's not a fairly recent development (2013, as far as I can tell), nor does it make my cringe-reflex any less pronounced. The Southbank has historically been a bit of a wasteground so benefitted from having a unifying name. Trafalgar Square + the Strand + surrounding areas are somewhat more historically well-known and oft-visited and more than capable of standing on their own two (or however many applicable in this instance) feet. We know it's a recent development. But it still makes economic sense. Everyone loves a festival and if you define an area, you can get everyone in it to chip in for Christmas lights or an annual fair or something. And the area between the river and Covent Garden wasn't previously defined so it can only benefit them and doesn't do anyone any harm. It may be that the actual name doesn't catch on though
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Post by sf on Aug 2, 2018 14:19:35 GMT
There's too much Westism in the West End. It should be inclusive of the East End. And North End. And Southend. Also Bell End.
The East End boys AND the West End Girls?
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Post by bobbybaby on Aug 2, 2018 16:22:30 GMT
How about STRANDLAND ! I have to say their Xmas lights have been much better for the last two years.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 2, 2018 16:32:54 GMT
Where does the southbank and the northbank (new one on me) begin and end?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 16:33:47 GMT
Did we ever find out what the original post meant?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 2, 2018 16:37:27 GMT
I think we’re just having a “kickabout” until the OP comes back and starts the match properly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 16:42:44 GMT
I didn't actually know that the Strand/Trafalgar Sq area had a proper name i.e. Northbank. Something doesn't seem quite right about it. To me it will always be the Trafalgar Square/Strand area...
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Post by lynette on Aug 3, 2018 20:21:24 GMT
Where does the southbank and the northbank (new one on me) begin and end? You be joking moi, no? The northbank stops when you get your feet wet coming from my house and the southbank starts when I have no idea where I am past the Globe.
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Post by cheesy116 on Aug 4, 2018 0:44:05 GMT
This thread has made my evening, I wonder what the OP thinks when they eventually reply
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 1:11:24 GMT
This thread has made my evening, I wonder what the OP thinks when they eventually reply OP seems to have deactivated their account!
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Post by apubleed on Aug 4, 2018 7:13:55 GMT
I'm glad that people have tried to question what they meant because "Diversity" SHOULD be a very high-level word encompassing of many different things. However, in the USA people typically ask this and what they mean by it is typically "Are there enough non-white actors getting roles"?
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Post by kathryn on Aug 4, 2018 9:24:26 GMT
Sometimes what they actually mean is that there’s not enough American actors of colour getting film roles! British Asian and Black British actors in films are often ignored or actively dismissed (or viewed as competition).
It does annoy me, the way that the word gets misused.
They’re not talking about actual diversity, they’re talking about a very specific demographic not getting enough opportunities in certain high profile film projects.
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Post by profquatermass on Aug 4, 2018 9:39:46 GMT
It's an interesting question though. I haven't seen any of the Oscar Wilde season but my guess is that it's a lot whiter than it would be if the same plays were performed at the NT. Is that the case?
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Post by asfound on Aug 4, 2018 14:55:53 GMT
As an ethnic minority I've become very cynical about this kind of "diversity" in theatre recently. To me they are paying lip service to what they clearly consider the "underdog" group. West End aside, almost every play in London with a mid to large cast is the same - about 60% white and 40% black. This is not representative, if anything black people are overrepresented - but they don't seem to care about other groups, the South East Asians, Chinese, Latin, North African, Indian or any other ethnic group despite making a large proportion of London and the UK. It's the same with TV adverts - it just seems like a very shallow and trite attempt to add some colour (pun intended) to proceedings without really truly being diverse or representative.
Not that I really care that much, I never even used to notice this kind of thing before being exposed to the very identity obsessed media you have here, but if theatres are going to be neurotic about this kind of thing they might as well do it properly.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 4, 2018 17:46:17 GMT
Our discussion of diversity issues gets mixed up with North America's. We don’t have the same demographic mix as they do, so we really should be approaching representation differently, as we have different underrepresented groups compared to our population. Of course it’s partly because a lot of our cultural products need to travel across the pond to be financially viable, so need to be keyed into that conversation.
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