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Post by galinda on Jan 8, 2018 10:19:25 GMT
Does anyone else wish theatre programs were all the same size? I am talking about the standard cast programs not the souvenir brochures. The majority of them used to be A5 sized but now all the Cam Mack theatres have a larger square shaped one and some of the fringe theatres do A4 ones. Not only does it make my bookcase look messy but it means some of them don't fit in my handbag, really annoying when you see two shows in a day and have to spend the day carrying a program around. I know there are worse things to worry about but I like having a moan! Can we have a thread where we can say how big the program is for each new show that starts... then I can plan what size handbag to take!
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Post by ensembleswings on Jan 8, 2018 10:35:22 GMT
Yes! If only all programmes were A5 size it would be so much easier. I always buy a programme so I'm stuck between either carrying an necessarily big/empty handbag around or carrying the programme around which isn't always ideal. As for storing them I've given up keeping them in chronological order like I'd prefer as it just looks so messy. I've now put them in size order instead which makes finding them a much more difficult task. Yes there's much more important things to worry about but that doesn't mean this doesn't bug me as well as you by the sounds of it
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Post by tonyloco on Jan 8, 2018 11:54:29 GMT
Hooray! This is a topic that has been irritating me for several years – in fact rather a lot longer than that now that I come to think about it. Both the size and the price of theatre programmes have been increasing at an alarming rate until a ghastly new height (or is it low) was reached for a normal programme with the £8 monstrosity for An American in Paris. I didn't buy the £10 'souvenir' for Bat Out of Hell but just kept the Obsidian newspaper and downloaded some advertising material from the internet which I can't find at this moment!
It seems that the A4 size is becoming standard these days for musicals and I don't mind that at £5 if the contents are as good as for Dick Whittington with biogs and good quality photos of the entire cast plus some nice features like all the previous versions of Dick Whittington done at the Palladium, a tribute to Sir Bruce Forsythe, a historical note on the real Dick Whittington and notes on the history of the Palladium plus a lot of glossy adverts including one about the architect Frank Matcham who designed the Palladium. Sure, one doesn't really need all of that but if all musicals would standardise on that then at least we would know what size handbag to take to the theatre! On the other hand, a plain free cast list as given at the Royal Opera House for opera and ballet and, I think, at the National Theatre would actually be even better!
As a man who doesn't carry a handbag, what I do carry is a dark plastic carrier bag about 14" by 16" (from M&S and other stores) which serves both to accommodate the programme as well as some Strepsils, plus my dark glasses, folding umbrella, scarf, cap and folding walking stick once I am safely in my seat at the theatre. I can recommend this, perhaps in addition to a purse or handbag as required.
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Post by TallPaul on Jan 8, 2018 13:15:41 GMT
a lot of glossy adverts including one about the architect Frank Matcham who designed the Palladium. He's not still touting for work, is he? He's been dead 97 years.
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Post by ensembleswings on Jan 8, 2018 13:23:34 GMT
If they could all be around the same price mark as well that would be great, £4-5 for a A5 sized programme is what I prefer. I don't want or care for all the big glossy production photos, I mainly buy the programme for the cast, to see who's who and who I may have seen in previous/different productions (my memory isn't jogged just by names half the time). If I wanted big glossy photos I'd buy the souvenir version which is why I'm glad when I see both programmes available for purchase rather than just a combined (more expensive) one
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Post by Mark on Jan 8, 2018 13:27:56 GMT
Used to buy them for everything but not anymore. Only a couple of programmes last year for Angels in America and Hamilton’s I think.
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Post by tonyloco on Jan 8, 2018 13:33:42 GMT
a lot of glossy adverts including one about the architect Frank Matcham who designed the Palladium. He's not still touting for work, is he? He's been dead 97 years. I believe he's working on a new design for the proposed Wembley Park Theatre!
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Post by Rory on Jan 8, 2018 13:41:02 GMT
I like the size of the ATG and Nimax ones. Less keen on the shape of the current Delfont Macintosh ones.
I like a standard format too. Much easier to store.
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Post by lynette on Jan 8, 2018 14:30:44 GMT
Programmes, huh, who needs em? I had to get rid of our roomful when we moved, keeping just a few specials. Don’t buy them now. ( except for ones with good essays..Em, that's you and Angels) But isn’t it lovely to see a young 'un' clutching a programme on the tube on the way home? That reminder of magic stored and inspiring for years.
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Post by tonyloco on Jan 8, 2018 15:04:58 GMT
Programmes, huh, who needs em? I had to get rid of our roomful when we moved, keeping just a few specials. Don’t buy them now. ( except for ones with good essays..Em, that's you and Angels) But isn’t it lovely to see a young 'un' clutching a programme on the tube on the way home? That reminder of magic stored and inspiring for years. Going off on a Tonyloco tandem...my programme collection started seriously in London in March 1960 and also included some Australian programmes from 1947 onwards that I collected myself and some earlier ones given to me by a friend of my parents. Some years ago on a visit to Sydney I went to the Opera House where at that time there was a general theatrical archive being started and asked whether I might leave my collection to them on my death. A rather prissy young man looked disdainfully at me and said: 'Oh well, if you must! But we have loads of stuff like that and we really don't want any more.' I heard later that the archive had been closed down! I then heard from an Australian friend that the Adelaide University's Barr Smith Library had an extensive collection of British theatre programme which ended at 1960. I contacted the library and they said they would be thrilled to get my collection when I died but as they were already filling my house, I arranged to ship the bulk of the collection to Adelaide there and then, keeping back just a few special early Australian ones. A few years later I shipped off a second load, by which time programmes were generally getting bigger and bulkier. Anyway, I know that the library is slowly digitising my collection, but this is a slow and labour-intensive process and, to be honest, some of the results online are disappointing, such as with opera programmes the person inputting just lists singers' names without specifying the voice type or the role being sung, which is useless. I am talking about this because it raises the subject of whether collections of theatre programmes from recent times are of any archival value or should they just be dumped. From the era I am talking about (the 1950s in Sydney and the 1960s in London) there was not a lot of archiving going on apart from a few specialised organisations like the Theatre Museum (now part of the V&A) and the Royal Opera House. But I suspect that the programmes people like us have collected over the past couple of decades are already safely archived in various places, including digitally, and there will be no real loss to posterity if they are eventually scrapped, unless our families and descendants are interested enough to want to take and keep them for future reference. Does anybody have any thoughts on this?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 15:16:36 GMT
Ooh I remember the great outcry when WNO changed their programme format (mainly because I was one of the poor bastards getting the brunt of it from the erm 'charming' patrons).
But yes the variety of sizes is something of a storage headache-and a framing one. I have large boxes roughly chronological now and they're all thrown in there from a year or years. I have largely given up buying them for everything now-only if it's a 'special' show or somewhere like the NT that does an interesting programme.
Donmar ones are my personal bugbear- stupid size and shape and don't fit anywhere nicely.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 15:39:07 GMT
Nothing worse than a bookshelf full of books the same size! Same applies to programmes for me - really don't mind varying sizes. I don't buy many, but keep the ones I do. I like it when somethings a little different - like when an album came out in a digipack instead of a silly plastic cd case!
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Post by Stephen on Jan 8, 2018 15:48:19 GMT
I don’t really like the size of the Delfont Mackintosh one’s now. I really just with that we had Playbills here in the UK! That would be a real treat. I’d even pay for them!
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Post by lynette on Jan 8, 2018 15:56:52 GMT
Tonyloco, I gave quite a few away to someone who was also a collector. I kept the autographed ones and the old ones from the RSC and a few sentimentally significant ones. I offered them to a couple of archives but then in the end they were taken to the local charity shop. I mentioned on here but the only people wanting progs at that time were wanting specific ones.
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Post by Rory on Jan 8, 2018 16:05:56 GMT
I don’t really like the size of the Delfont Mackintosh one’s now. I really just with that we had Playbills here in the UK! That would be a real treat. I’d even pay for them! Yes, but I hate the way some of those are in black and white! There seems to be no consistency.
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Post by Stephen on Jan 8, 2018 16:21:34 GMT
I don’t really like the size of the Delfont Mackintosh one’s now. I really just with that we had Playbills here in the UK! That would be a real treat. I’d even pay for them! Yes, but I hate the way some of those are in black and white! There seems to be no consistency. I get what you mean. I suppose I just like having a collection of the same thing from each show I’ve seen. If they weren’t free it would be a rip off as much of the content is the exact same in every Playbill. Perhaps it would be nice if all West End programmes were published by the same company? Is there a business idea there?
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Post by Tibidabo on Jan 8, 2018 17:14:44 GMT
asked whether I might leave my collection to them on my death. A rather prissy young man looked disdainfully at me and said: 'Oh well, if you must! But we have loads of stuff like that and we really don't want any more. Oh Tony we do have to deal with such peasants in this world, don't we? I wish you would leave them to me - they would go well with @theatremonkey's job and BurlyBeaR's whip collection which I have already been promised in their wills.
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Post by bimse on Jan 8, 2018 17:29:22 GMT
Programmes, huh, who needs em? I had to get rid of our roomful when we moved, keeping just a few specials. Don’t buy them now. ( except for ones with good essays..Em, that's you and Angels) But isn’t it lovely to see a young 'un' clutching a programme on the tube on the way home? That reminder of magic stored and inspiring for years. Going off on a Tonyloco tandem...my programme collection started seriously in London in March 1960 and also included some Australian programmes from 1947 onwards that I collected myself and some earlier ones given to me by a friend of my parents. Some years ago on a visit to Sydney I went to the Opera House where at that time there was a general theatrical archive being started and asked whether I might leave my collection to them on my death. A rather prissy young man looked disdainfully at me and said: 'Oh well, if you must! But we have loads of stuff like that and we really don't want any more.' I heard later that the archive had been closed down! I then heard from an Australian friend that the Adelaide University's Barr Smith Library had an extensive collection of British theatre programme which ended at 1960. I contacted the library and they said they would be thrilled to get my collection when I died but as they were already filling my house, I arranged to ship the bulk of the collection to Adelaide there and then, keeping back just a few special early Australian ones. A few years later I shipped off a second load, by which time programmes were generally getting bigger and bulkier. Anyway, I know that the library is slowly digitising my collection, but this is a slow and labour-intensive process and, to be honest, some of the results online are disappointing, such as with opera programmes the person inputting just lists singers' names without specifying the voice type or the role being sung, which is useless. I am talking about this because it raises the subject of whether collections of theatre programmes from recent times are of any archival value or should they just be dumped. From the era I am talking about (the 1950s in Sydney and the 1960s in London) there was not a lot of archiving going on apart from a few specialised organisations like the Theatre Museum (now part of the V&A) and the Royal Opera House. But I suspect that the programmes people like us have collected over the past couple of decades are already safely archived in various places, including digitally, and there will be no real loss to posterity if they are eventually scrapped, unless our families and descendants are interested enough to want to take and keep them for future reference. Does anybody have any thoughts on this? Interesting that you have brought up this subject tonyloco as I am presently trying to find a home or homes for the bulk of a theatre collection (posters, programmes, flyers, from plays, musical theatre, variety, pantomime, circus) which I inherited from my late brother. The collection is mainly 1960s to 2002, I saved everything (despite family members wanting to throw out these thousands of lovely items) but (for several reasons) I have only recently got round to sorting through it all . I have been warned against donating to certain national collections , which have a lot of this kind of thing which never sees the light of day again , until the items are eventually auctioned off. The Australian guy’s attitude is appalling , but this seems to be the attitude of a few archives. I’m struggling to find any interest . Any help with where I can donate items from the collection will be gratefully accepted. I have successfully ebayed duplicates and taken holidays with the proceeds. My brother would have liked that . Maybe I’ve answered my own question .
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 8, 2018 17:50:58 GMT
asked whether I might leave my collection to them on my death. A rather prissy young man looked disdainfully at me and said: 'Oh well, if you must! But we have loads of stuff like that and we really don't want any more. Oh Tony we do have to deal with such peasants in this world, don't we? I wish you would leave them to me - they would go well with @theatremonkey 's job and BurlyBeaR 's whip collection which I have already been promised in their wills. That’s Walnut Whip... just to clarify.
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Post by sophizoey on Jan 8, 2018 18:06:51 GMT
I'm a huge programme fiend (I get one from every show I go to). My favourites are the A5 booklets, complete with a full cast and creative team, a little theatre and show history and a few glossy production photos. Shouldn't be more than £5 either.
Wicked programmes really annoy me. They're A4, £8 And crammed full of production photos. While I love the show and the photos are lovely to look at storing them is a mess.
I don't mind the Delfont Mackintosh Programmes really. I just wish they weren't so thick with advertisements.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 8, 2018 18:12:05 GMT
I find the whole concept of paying for a book of adverts absolutely bizarre.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 18:19:31 GMT
I don't know why, I just can't stand the square Mackintosh ones. I buy a programme everytime out of habit, but I j7st don't like the look of the square ones. A5 is ideal for a standard programme, however I love the Dominion programmes. Even though they are £8 they are always beautiful inside.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jan 8, 2018 19:01:52 GMT
I don't mind what shape they are as long as they're not too huge. I hate having to wrestle larger-than-A4 programmes into my (pretty big) handbag & then when you get home & take them out the corners are bent & battered already.
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Post by loureviews on Jan 8, 2018 19:02:22 GMT
They've been different sizes for a long time, as I discovered when I tried to organise my 30 year collection over Christmas!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 19:33:22 GMT
All my early programmes are fairly small. Then many of them suddenly become magazine-sized. I used to keep them all in chronological order but in a recent reorganisation I gave up and shelved the larger ones separately. Even now, some of them have to be stored on their sides because they're too tall for the shelf.
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