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Post by infofreako on Jun 8, 2017 16:20:39 GMT
Well the gaps spread between the top 2. Lib dems have done far better on this forums polls than others I've been watching. Every single forum I use has labour on top by varying degrees which is puzzling considering how the polls are predicting tonights outcome I don't really pay much attention to the polls. In 2015 the polls had Labour and the Conservatives neck and neck so it was a shocker when the exit poll was released and Labour was a lot lower than anticipated. No poll, including the exit poll, expected the Conservatives to receive a majority I'm sure the exit polls were at least pointing to a conservative win. Remember it coming as a surprise as the polls the day before if anything had suggested labour if anyone had the slight advantage and all the labour supporters on my local football forum were suggesting the exit polls were wildly wrong |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 16:24:59 GMT
Well the gaps spread between the top 2. Lib dems have done far better on this forums polls than others I've been watching. Every single forum I use has labour on top by varying degrees which is puzzling considering how the polls are predicting tonights outcome It very much depends on the demographic of users taking online polls, I guess. The working class are historically more likely to vote Labour, where as the "elite" tend to vote conservative. If the online poll users are mostly from working class backgrounds then that possibly explains that. |
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Post by infofreako on Jun 8, 2017 16:33:51 GMT
Well the gaps spread between the top 2. Lib dems have done far better on this forums polls than others I've been watching. Every single forum I use has labour on top by varying degrees which is puzzling considering how the polls are predicting tonights outcome It very much depends on the demographic of users taking online polls, I guess. The working class are historically more likely to vote Labour, where as the "elite" tend to vote conservative. If the online poll users are mostly from working class backgrounds then that possibly explains that. I'm well aware of that thank you. Not necessarily the case on all these forums though. One of the others is very much what I'd describe as middle class leaning. Apologies if it wasn't intended but your post came across as quite patronising |
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Post by infofreako on Jun 8, 2017 16:37:26 GMT
Anyway, many here planning to stay up for the results coming in?
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Post by stuartmcd on Jun 8, 2017 16:49:59 GMT
I'm sure the exit polls were at least pointing to a conservative win. Remember it coming as a surprise as the polls the day before if anything had suggested labour if anyone had the slight advantage and all the labour supporters on my local football forum were suggesting the exit polls were wildly wrong The exit poll showed the Conservatives winning the most seats but not enough to run as a majority government. There was a lot of focus in the early hours of the election coverage as to what the Conservatives should do and who they should maybe go into coalition with. And as you said the polls the day before were way off what the actual results were. Just shows that we just won't know how this is going to go until later tonight. |
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Post by 49thand8th on Jun 8, 2017 16:53:46 GMT
Could be a lot worse, we could have the American system (which, even after Obama's painstaking efforts, is still way short of the coverage we get). Imagine an election where one of the parties here was promising to take away coverage for 7% of the population and still getting elected. Health care in the US is a nightmare. Insurance companies are bleeding consumers to death and taking some of that money and putting it right into politicians pockets. I administer the Health Insurance for the company I work for. Each year it is crazy trying to find a policy that will just let us keep what benefits we have and not have the premiums too much higher. And then to hear people who don't have access to employee sponsored insurance, screaming to repeal ObamaCare, all the while they are enrolled and depend on the ACA, not realizing that they are the same thing. Our country is so f**ked in so many ways right now Yep. "Obamacare" is called that in certain circles for a reason — so the people who weren't keen on having a president darker than they were would disapprove of a system with his name in it. Which is not its official name at all. Anyway, back on topic: Good luck, UK! Don't lose too much sleep tonight. You'll find out in the morning anyway, right? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 17:40:18 GMT
I really struggled this year with who to vote for, and it was between three. So head vs. heart really came into play with my vote. But I have voted and thats the main thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 17:43:02 GMT
Anyway, many here planning to stay up for the results coming in? I'm very much planning on getting to bed fairly early and not checking the news in the morning until after I arrive at work. Clearly none of that is going to happen, but it is at least the plan. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 17:53:01 GMT
It very much depends on the demographic of users taking online polls, I guess. The working class are historically more likely to vote Labour, where as the "elite" tend to vote conservative. If the online poll users are mostly from working class backgrounds then that possibly explains that. Not necessarily the case on all these forums though. One of the others is very much what I'd describe as middle class leaning. Apologies if it wasn't intended but your post came across as quite patronising Wow. Well that was out of order. I was only making a response to your comment, with my belief. If you thought I was being patronising then you couldn't be further from the truth. I even wrote that it depends on the demographic, I wasn't sweeping - I have no idea what pages you visit! I apologise but I really don't see how you came to that conclusion. I even said "I guess" and "possibly", to make it clear that I was assuming. |
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Post by infofreako on Jun 8, 2017 17:55:05 GMT
I'm well aware of that thank you. Not necessarily the case on all these forums though. One of the others is very much what I'd describe as middle class leaning. Apologies if it wasn't intended but your post came across as quite patronising Wow. Well that was out of order. I was only making a response to your comment, with my belief. If you thought I was being patronising then you couldn't be further from the truth. I apologise but I really don't see how you came to that conclusion. I even said "I guess" and "possibly", to make it clear that I was assuming. As I said. I apologise for offending you I may well have scanned it originally as I've only spotted the I guess now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 17:57:34 GMT
Wow. Well that was out of order. I was only making a response to your comment, with my belief. If you thought I was being patronising then you couldn't be further from the truth. I apologise but I really don't see how you came to that conclusion. I even said "I guess" and "possibly", to make it clear that I was assuming. As I said. I apologise for offending you I'd much rather you message me privately if you thought that than publicly calling me out as being patronising when it's not the case. |
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Post by infofreako on Jun 8, 2017 17:59:29 GMT
As I said. I apologise for offending you I'd much rather you message me privately if you thought that than publicly calling me out as being patronising when it's not the case. OK fair enough |
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Post by infofreako on Jun 8, 2017 18:33:08 GMT
last poll, the IPSOS/MORI one goes with the general consensus of the day.
Odds on Tory majority have bounced around throughout the day with Betfair but not enough in the other direction
Have heard reports of queues at some polling stations today and quite a few young people in them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 18:45:53 GMT
£80k is an incomprehensibly high salary for the majority of people, and particularly the young. When the Conservatives are talking as though someone on that level of salary is hard-done-by for being taxed on the part of it that is already more than many people will earn in half a decade, it gives the thoroughly accurate impression that Conservatives simply have no idea what life is like for people who aren't rich. £80k, while certainly WAY more than I will ever earn, isn't actually all that high a salary, especially in London. You are still eligible for a shared ownership property there if you earn up to £80k (ie you are seen as someone who might still struggle to buy on the open market). |
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Post by loureviews on Jun 8, 2017 19:27:26 GMT
80k is a huge salary even in London. I have staff who earn 18k. How are they supposed to manage?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 19:29:13 GMT
£80k is an incomprehensibly high salary for the majority of people, and particularly the young. When the Conservatives are talking as though someone on that level of salary is hard-done-by for being taxed on the part of it that is already more than many people will earn in half a decade, it gives the thoroughly accurate impression that Conservatives simply have no idea what life is like for people who aren't rich. £80k, while certainly WAY more than I will ever earn, isn't actually all that high a salary, especially in London. You are still eligible for a shared ownership property there if you earn up to £80k (ie you are seen as someone who might still struggle to buy on the open market). 80k seems like a lot Because most people have been told it is In reality MPs earn more than that A Chanel bag costs up to 10k And the average property price in London is over 500k Just because earnings are low Costs are still high If people put up with that And accept Then it's their own problem |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 19:29:57 GMT
80k is a huge salary even in London. I have staff who earn 18k. How are they supposed to manage? Move out of London Why are they even there? Society imposes these caps because people tolerate them If people refuse to accept that level of pay Wages will have to rise Or move somewhere else Where you can live within ones means On the salary you get |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 19:32:12 GMT
650k
Is average London property price
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 8, 2017 19:32:22 GMT
I am surprised that the board poll has 21 people voting Conservative. I often feel on Twitter as if I am the only right-wing theatre fan in existance! I voted Conservative as usual today. I have always voted Conservative because I am deeply conservative (large & small "c" intentional) as a person. I don't vote based on parties' election manifestos because I don't trust any politicians to deliver on their manifesto promises. And I certainly don't vote Conservative because I am well off: I am a temp who has never earned even 20k a year (for those who would ask "how do you afford theatregoing then?" I still live at home so don't have to pay market rate rent or bills).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 19:33:24 GMT
I am surprised that the board poll has 21 people voting Conservative. I often feel on Twitter as if I am the only right-wing theatre fan in existance! I voted Conservative as usual today. I have always voted Conservative because I am deeply conservative (large & small "c" intentional) as a person. I don't vote based on parties' election manifestos because I don't trust any politicians to deliver on their manifesto promises. And I certainly don't vote Conservative because I am well off: I am a temp who has never earned even 20k a year (for those who would ask "how do you afford theatregoing then?" I still live at home so don't have to pay market rate rent or bills). Good om you!! I am thinking of asking parents to come and live with me in the next few years As they get older |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 19:35:11 GMT
If people put up with that And accept Then it's their own problem ...Which they may Alleviate By voting Labour |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 19:39:17 GMT
If people put up with that And accept Then it's their own problem ...Which they may Alleviate By voting Labour Their solution Is to rack up massive debts |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 19:45:40 GMT
If you all think
You deserve less pay than an MP
Well
Then you need to rethink things
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 20:16:31 GMT
£80k, while certainly WAY more than I will ever earn, isn't actually all that high a salary, especially in London. You are still eligible for a shared ownership property there if you earn up to £80k (ie you are seen as someone who might still struggle to buy on the open market). 80k seems like a lot ------ A Chanel bag costs up to 10k Okay, if not Trump then more like Marie Antoinette. This is just snob trolling. |
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Post by vdcni on Jun 8, 2017 20:17:23 GMT
£80k is an incomprehensibly high salary for the majority of people, and particularly the young. When the Conservatives are talking as though someone on that level of salary is hard-done-by for being taxed on the part of it that is already more than many people will earn in half a decade, it gives the thoroughly accurate impression that Conservatives simply have no idea what life is like for people who aren't rich. £80k, while certainly WAY more than I will ever earn, isn't actually all that high a salary, especially in London. You are still eligible for a shared ownership property there if you earn up to £80k (ie you are seen as someone who might still struggle to buy on the open market). Earning over £70k puts you in the top 5% of earners in the UK. £80k is indeed all that high a salary. |
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