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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 16:36:47 GMT
mythical handsome theatre going gentleman I'm now picturing an handsome theatre going gentlemen with the body of a horse.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 15, 2017 16:59:08 GMT
So are the men who are approaching women with cheesy lines, offers of drinks and pretend questions also at the theatre alone? Or is he chancing it while the missus in the ice cream queue?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 17:02:13 GMT
So are the men who are approaching women with cheesy lines, offers of drinks and pretend questions also at the theatre alone? Or is he chancing it while the missus in the ice cream queue? No, you do it while she's queuing for the ladies, guaranteed she won't be back for at least 20 minutes
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 17:15:54 GMT
I've just looked in a mirror and realised the reason why I'm not approached by men whilst eating/theatregoing alone... That, and the previous comment about chatty elderly ladies, kind of stung. If that was my comment I meant it in a totally nice way - that I end up mostly chatting with other older solo women because like calls to like! Sorry if it came across badly. Chatting with people like you is one of the pleasures of theatregoing and my intention was to compare it favourably with people imposing in other circumstances, which I dread.
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Post by mallardo on May 15, 2017 17:19:04 GMT
Ladies, I realize it's not always fun being importuned by a strange man but think, please, of the poor guy working up his nerve to do the importuning. It's not so easy being a man.
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Post by 49thand8th on May 15, 2017 17:20:43 GMT
Also, obviously I can't speak for others but I read the comment about 'Elderly chatty ladies' as a nice thing, not a negative. If we re-phrase I've certainly had many a lovely chat with an older lady or several at the theatre (i.e rather than people my own age) If I go to a show alone, I try to avoid talking to anyone near me before the show. That makes it easier to shush them later if needed. True story.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 17:23:49 GMT
Ladies, I realize it's not always fun being importuned by a strange man but think, please, of the poor guy working up his nerve to do the importuning. It's not so easy being a man. Again, obviously just my opinion/experience but generally we know the difference between genuine guy genuinely interested in an actual date and your run of the mill sleazeball. If a guy approached me politely, or struck up a conversation and then suggested a drink or whatever if I wasn't interested I'd always do my best to be kind about it. Because mostly it's clear if it's a genuine decent thing, and nobdoy wants to be horrible. well some women do, but that's the arsehole gene that's gender less.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 17:42:00 GMT
Ladies, I realize it's not always fun being importuned by a strange man but think, please, of the poor guy working up his nerve to do the importuning. It's not so easy being a man. Again, obviously just my opinion/experience but generally we know the difference between genuine guy genuinely interested in an actual date and your run of the mill sleazeball. If a guy approached me politely, or struck up a conversation and then suggested a drink or whatever if I wasn't interested I'd always do my best to be kind about it. Because mostly it's clear if it's a genuine decent thing, and nobdoy wants to be horrible. well some women do, but that's the arsehole gene that's gender less. Totes. Lest I give the wrong impression of my pulling power, it's always the scary weirdos I get not the nice men capable of talking to women like we're human beings.
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Post by Flim Flam on May 15, 2017 17:56:28 GMT
Businessmen & women end up eating on their own in fancy restaurants all the time. No-one cares, honestly. Next time just pretend you are regional sales manager of M&S or something. And take a magazine. The only one I would feel a bit queasy about is going to a mainstream cinema on my own - could only manage that at an arty one probably. I had a job a few years ago where I found myself spending a number of days each month in a succession of small towns, staying alone in hotels and eating out by myself each evening. At first I felt a bit daunted, as I often ate quite early evening in fairly deserted restaurants or pubs. The hotels were no problem at all, but I certainly attracted attention in these small restaurants and pubs, where the staff often looked quite bemused when I turned up by myself to eat. However, when ordering food, I usually chatted to the waiter/ barman and mentioned that I was in town on business for a few days, and honestly, it seemed to magically make the staff more relaxed and friendly as soon as I did this! It was really noticeable, as if women needed a specific excuse to be in these places. Aside from this feminist insight ( ) I did realise that it also made me feel more confident when I did this. So I would highly recommend following the 'M & S sales manager' disguise if you feel so inclined. Although now I think about it, why should I worry about people judging me at all? Life is too short.
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Post by crowblack on May 15, 2017 18:04:49 GMT
If I go to a show alone, I try to avoid talking to anyone near me before the show I sometimes do say something as I'm sitting down (being Northern?) though I wonder if it can affect my/their experience. The older couple I was sitting next to in The Ferryman asked me what I thought after the first half, and I said I thought it was OK but baggy but expressed the hope it would pick up in the second part. After the end, they asked me again and I said I was disappointed and then outlined why, at some length, until the ushers made us leave. "But you did ask!" I added, worrying in case it coloured their view, as pretty well everyone else seemed to be ecstatic, and then worried that maybe they were the writer's parents or something. Oh well. I've never done that before and probably won't again because I did wonder if I'd done the very thing I hate when my friends do it, which is why I try to go alone (but they did ask!)
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 18:12:47 GMT
mythical handsome theatre going gentleman I'm now picturing an handsome theatre going gentlemen with the body of a horse. And I'm now picturing someone turning up at the theatre carrying a horse corpse.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 18:24:57 GMT
Can't multi quote all the relevant bits but likewise I don't mean to give the impression I'm beating off men with a stick...
Actual cat calls aside I can't remember the last time I got approached by a man. As for an actual date...welll...
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Post by theatremadness on May 15, 2017 18:43:06 GMT
Can't multi quote all the relevant bits but likewise I don't mean to give the impression I'm beating off men with a stick... I'm glad to hear it because that's certainly not how it's supposed to be done! (I do apologise)
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 22:09:32 GMT
In my experience as a woman who's been going to shows on my own since I was 19, that hasn't happened to me once. Sometimes I almost wish it would, but it hasn't. So there's an awful lot of generalising going on in your post that I don't think is true at all. I don't think your gender makes any difference whatsoever when it comes to going to the theatre alone. I am truly glad for you that you have never had any problems. Obviously your experience is much more valid than anyone elses and due to this you feel the need to diminish what others may have seen and heard, had happen to them or witnessed. I think you may need to check your privilege. Despite your own rather bizarre wish to seemingly be harassed I truly hope it never happens to you. In case you feel the need to move out of your bubble here's a website for you to look at. I don't find any of it funny. You probably won't recognise any of the comments as being pertinent to you but for others they can be damaging, debilitating and harmful everydaysexism.com
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Post by hal9000 on May 16, 2017 4:11:50 GMT
It is pretty clear that the majority of posters on this thread are not generalising at all - the very opposite in fact, we're talking of our own individual and specific experiences!
Funnily, I feel less conspicuous dining solo at a restaurant than at a pub. The latter seems to be far more social and the assumption by others is that I'm up for a chat or on the prowl rather than just eating and drinking. At a restaurant I can enjoy my oysters and vodka in peace.
As it stands I rather like talking to neighbours at the theatre before or during the interval. Plus I have no problems pulling out a magazine or a notebook if the conversation turns out to be a dud.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 7:36:49 GMT
Can't multi quote all the relevant bits but likewise I don't mean to give the impression I'm beating off men with a stick... I'm glad to hear it because that's certainly not how it's supposed to be done! (I do apologise) Ah see that's where I'm going wrong (or right?!)
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 7:47:48 GMT
In my experience as a woman who's been going to shows on my own since I was 19, that hasn't happened to me once. Sometimes I almost wish it would, but it hasn't. So there's an awful lot of generalising going on in your post that I don't think is true at all. I don't think your gender makes any difference whatsoever when it comes to going to the theatre alone. I am truly glad for you that you have never had any problems. Obviously your experience is much more valid than anyone elses and due to this you feel the need to diminish what others may have seen and heard, had happen to them or witnessed. I think you may need to check your privilege. Despite your own rather bizarre wish to seemingly be harassed I truly hope it never happens to you. In case you feel the need to move out of your bubble here's a website for you to look at. I don't find any of it funny. You probably won't recognise any of the comments as being pertinent to you but for others they can be damaging, debilitating and harmful everydaysexism.comI think you know exactly what I meant and there's no need to be flippant about it and pretend I was saying anything else. Not once did I say my experience was more valid than anyone else (so next time read my post properly before you start generalising again), but your original post wrongly assumed that such experiences happen to every woman - I pointed out that was not the case because I think a) your attitude is frankly unnecessarily off-putting for any woman who dares to go to the theatre by herself (I think most women are perfectly capable of realising by themselves that contrary to what you imply, the vast majority of theatregoers are not going to harass them) and also a bit insulting to the many, many ordinary theatregoers who wouldn't dream of doing anything like that to anyone regardless of their gender (and this is not an exclusively female issue despite you seeming to think it is). Never did I say that sexism does not exist (not sure where you got that from except that it furthers your agenda), all I said was that in my experience I've never seen it happen - not to me or to anyone else at a theatre. In other words, I was providing the counter from my own personal experience to your generalised post that seemed to imply the ridiculous notion that it is absolutely unsafe for a woman to go to the theatre alone. I and many others are living proof that it's simply not true. I go to the theatre alone multiple times a month and never get any attention of any kind from anyone unless I happen to initiate a conversation with the person sitting next to me. If other people do get unwanted attention then obviously that's not ok (and again, I never said it was ok), but don't extrapolate from that that everyone who goes to the theatre alone will experience the same, because that's simply just not true. And as for my remark about wanting attention, anyone with a modicum of humour would realise that this is an theatre forum and I was talking about not minding if someone did try to have a conversation with me in a theatre bar during the interval - for one, I might find a kindred spirit, and for another it can get a bit lonely going to the theatre alone when you don't have anyone to talk to! I can take care of myself - if the attention is unwanted, I will make it very clear, and there are plenty of ways to make oneself safe in public places. To suggest that I was talking about wanting to be harassed is ludicrous. So I would appreciate if you actually bothered to read what I'm saying before diving in and blowing it out of all proportion and reading into it a lot of things that just aren't there.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 8:35:31 GMT
I actually find I'm far less likely to receive unwanted male attention at a theatre than anywhere else. Now I'm not saying that audiences seem to be made up of women, gay men, and straight men who've been dragged along by their partners, but stereotypes must come from somewhere... right...?
Lively chats with friendly old ladies are always welcome here, by the by! If you strike up your mayfly friendship on a two-show day, you may even have just found yourself a wonderful dinner buddy!
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 10:31:03 GMT
I can't remember the last time I got approached by a man. As for an actual date...welll... Awww, I'm sure half the board wish they were older / younger and Welsh. Hang in there, and maybe buy an "I'm not scary" T-shirt for the summer . haha I don't discriminate on nationality...I'll look into that T-shirt, maybe it's another spin off from our badges? I'm having a giggle as I read this just as 'Being Alive' came on shuffle...clearly the musical theatre universe has something to say...
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Post by justafan on May 17, 2017 12:28:19 GMT
Plus imagine my fear of being featured in the bad behaviour thread. Went to see play with a friend and she got out a huge bar of chocolate during a serious part of show and started rustling. I shushed her and she laughed...but then carried on. It was so loud two people in front turned around. Mortified! exactly !!! I went to a friend to a play and she produced a couple of caramel wafer biscuits not the quietest thing to open - let alone in a play ... made even worse by the fact she whispered loudly - ' do you want one' - lesson learned 😫
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Post by aine on May 18, 2017 7:55:12 GMT
I actually find I'm far less likely to receive unwanted male attention at a theatre than anywhere else. Now I'm not saying that audiences seem to be made up of women, gay men, and straight men who've been dragged along by their partners, but stereotypes must come from somewhere... right...? Lively chats with friendly old ladies are always welcome here, by the by! If you strike up your mayfly friendship on a two-show day, you may even have just found yourself a wonderful dinner buddy! As someone who sees 95% of her shows by herself, I can relate to this. Though I'm usually that person sitting at the interval reading a book. In all honestly, I've noticed that it's a lot more women than men who go by themselves to the theatre, there were three or four other women by themselves sitting next to me at An American In Paris the other week. One of my friends that occasionally goes by herself to see shows by herself has ended up getting on really well with people she's met and still occasionally talks to some of them; to each their own I guess.
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Post by wickedgrin on May 18, 2017 8:22:02 GMT
Experiences with friends at the theatre mentioned above reminds me of the time I went with a female friend to see Jersey Boys in London. We were in the circle and the seats in front of us were empty. Before the show, she took off her shoes and dangled her legs (and bare feet) over the seats in front! To say I was mortified does not even come close. I had to say to her (very politely) that I felt that was inappropriate behaviour but she took absolutely no notice and left her legs dangling throughout the performance. Needless to say I have never been to the theatre with her since although she remains a good friend, but it reminds me of why I go to the theatre alone 90% of the time!
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Post by Latecomer on May 19, 2017 16:03:03 GMT
I once went to the National with very well off friend. She managed to knock her glass of wine all over my £10 meal (when they had the nice food near the Lyttleton) ...she apologises profusely to me, whisks up my meal to take back....I thought to buy a new one...and then proceeds to LIE to the staff and say a little old lady spilled her drink on her meal and could they replace it?....it all happened so fast that I had no time to do anything, I was so shocked. She is no longer a friend
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 16:12:06 GMT
I once went to the National with very well off friend. She managed to knock her glass of wine all over my £10 meal (when they had the nice food near the Lyttleton) ...she apologises profusely to me, whisks up my meal to take back....I thought to buy a new one...and then proceeds to LIE to the staff and say a little old lady spilled her drink on her meal and could they replace it?....it all happened so fast that I had no time to do anything, I was so shocked. She is no longer a friend If I had a friend who was that savvy, there's no way I'd ditch them... ;-)
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Post by crowblack on May 19, 2017 18:44:00 GMT
I once went to the National with very well off friend. She managed to knock her glass of wine all over my £10 meal (when they had the nice food near the Lyttleton) ...she apologises profusely to me, whisks up my meal to take back....I thought to buy a new one...and then proceeds to LIE to the staff and say a little old lady spilled her drink on her meal and could they replace it?....it all happened so fast that I had no time to do anything, I was so shocked. She is no longer a friend I have two well-off friends who both did something similar - me, I'm dead honest, which is probably why I'm skint.
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