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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 17:21:25 GMT
Wasn't sure whether to put this in the existing thread or not, but I thought I'd create a special Broadway one for the 'International' section. It appears previews are beginning 28th March 2017 and tickets are on sale from 16th September, as we already know with Christian Borle as Willy Wonka. Some exciting looking New York trailers have been released...
However, (and I don't seem to recognise the music that plays under them) they close with someone whistling the original Bricusse/Newley Oompa-Loompa Doopity-Doo song. Perhaps a hint that those ones are back in the show?...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 18:31:31 GMT
Intriguing. If the producers are able to convince the Dahl Estate, they may have a chance if they restore the loved songs... I just re-watched the bottom video and realised the number plate for the car is CNDY-MN (hinting that "The Candy Man" may be used as well), and the Oompa-Loompa arm that opens the car door looks more like the film's costume (Orange face, green hair and brown with white overalls) than any of the current London ones. Suppose they must really be using the 1971 film as a source. Maybe Shaiman and Whitman will adapt some of the Bricusse/Newley like Stiles and Drewe did with Mary Poppins (change lyrics and/or add verses with new melodies etc.) as well as keeping in some of the current songs. It really does sound like a repeat of Mackintosh convincing PL Travers that the Disney songs would be needed to make the Mary Poppins show work, just as Dahl hated the 1971 movie and now the producers must be convincing the Dahl estate that those songs would also be needed to make Charlie work properly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 19:51:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 23:29:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 23:33:57 GMT
Sounds awful.
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Post by David J on Dec 20, 2016 0:00:46 GMT
I don't know what to say to that...
In a fringe production yes, but a multi million dollar musical that's expecting people to pay around $200 dollars a seat
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Post by firefingers on Dec 20, 2016 0:15:51 GMT
I understand the NYC production will be almost unrecognisable from the West End version.
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Post by daniel on Dec 20, 2016 1:03:00 GMT
The new production heading to Broadway is the version that is scheduled to tour the UK in a few years time, so will be interesting to see how it turns out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 1:40:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 1:44:47 GMT
It won't happen by a mile as she is too good for this show, by a landslide... but imagine a Jennifer Hudson version of Violet.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Dec 20, 2016 9:07:36 GMT
I'm so pleased they are doing this! I saw a workshop of the show years ago and adults played the kids then and it was brilliant.. and hilarious. I hated the idea before but it soon made complete sense, it gave Charlie way more focus and the other 'kids' were much funnier.
I was so disappointed when they decided not to do it when the show eventually opened so I think it's great that they are doing it in NYC- I'd say give it a chance before slamming it..!
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Post by westendwendy on Dec 20, 2016 9:45:45 GMT
Adults play kids in Blood Brothers and it works brilliantly.
Thing is - it needs to be spread out across every role.
I saw Charlie once a few years ago and I was 6/10 with so many missing opportunities, bad score, lacked magic, odd book, first half too grey, no sub text about Slugworth (I forget his name) and the chocolate river disappointing.
Broadway needs the show in a completely new form - including Candy Man, Cheer Up Charlie etc.
If anyone can solve it it's the Americans! Good luck to them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 12:06:04 GMT
I agree... the issue isn't that thery ar adults, the issue is that now, only one of the cast members is a child. It is going to look ridiculous and be a bit of a glaring thing throughout.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 12:46:02 GMT
I agree... the issue isn't that thery ar adults, the issue is that now, only one of the cast members is a child. It is going to look ridiculous and be a bit of a glaring thing throughout. This is what I was going to post! How stupid will it look with Charlie as a kid then all the other children played by adults?! Also will look stupid how the "children" will go to the factory with their 'parents' but the parents are gonna look similar ages to the "children". When Matilda went to Broadway, the children were still played by children so not sure why they can't do the same for this. Roald Dahl wrote it with children so they should keep it the same. Maybe it's because it's a new director?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 12:52:12 GMT
Could it be, and I may be thinking way too much into this, that they are trying to relresent that the children have bigger egos than Charlie, or something tothat effect.
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Post by westendwendy on Dec 20, 2016 13:35:24 GMT
Some adults played kids in Whistle Down The Wind. It worked well.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Dec 20, 2016 13:49:22 GMT
No one read my post then? 1. It was funnier when they were played by adults 2. Charlie was brought into much sharper focus as a result. And 3. The 'adults' were small in stature and appeared very childlike and 4. They could do much more physically with the dancing and movement not being children. Give It A Chance. Could it be, and I may be thinking way too much into this, that they are trying to relresent that the children have bigger egos than Charlie, or something tothat effect.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 14:00:38 GMT
No one read my post then? 1. It was funnier when they were played by adults 2. Charlie was brought into much sharper focus as a result. And 3. The 'adults' were small in stature and appeared very childlike and 4. They could do much more physically with the dancing and movement not being children. Give It A Chance. Could it be, and I may be thinking way too much into this, that they are trying to relresent that the children have bigger egos than Charlie, or something tothat effect. I don't know why, of all the posts you could of quoted in your somewhat patronising response, you chose mine, one that is finding reason to the casting rather than critisising it. I am completely game for seeing how this turns out!
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Post by mrbarnaby on Dec 20, 2016 17:28:07 GMT
I don't think It wasn't patronising, just slightly frustrated by armchair critics damning it without having seen how it *actually*works well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 17:36:35 GMT
I don't think It wasn't patronising, just slightly frustrated by armchair critics damning it without having seen how it *actually*works well. ... me not being one of them, hence the asking of why you directed it toward me. But, moving on, I am intrigued to see how it works so will wait with baited breath.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Dec 20, 2016 20:05:15 GMT
Sorry I didn't quote you to aim it AT you.. just to try and answer to "why are they doing this?l it sounds terrible " Kind of speculation!
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Post by groupbooker on Dec 20, 2016 20:38:58 GMT
A friend in the States tells me - "the children will be played by older teens so it does not cause any problems with the hours of younger performers in the US". May be wrong but who knows what they will end up doing? Mr Barnaby could be right.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 21:57:05 GMT
Wasn't it always conceived like that? I remember Andrew Keenan-Bolger playing Mike Teavee in a really early workshop in New York before the London production had even opened. With Warner Brothers producing it isn't a financial decision, instead a creative one.
Borle as Wonka is enough to make me want to see this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 22:17:42 GMT
I really love Jackie Hoffman too... but the Mrs. Tevee portrayal in London is easily, in my opinion, the best part of the whole show! I have a feeling it is going to be vastly different with La Hoffman at the helm but hopefully some of that comedy value from the London portrayal isn't lost.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 0:14:35 GMT
Well...this should be interesting to see! Surely having adults play the kids, except Charlie, can only improve or worsen it. Someone mentioned Blood Brothers, I don't know if it can be compared to this as in BB the humour is in seeing the adults act like the kids, only for the characters to then grow up into their devastating adulthood, whereas in Charlie they are almost caricatures.
I also noticed that no actor playing Mr Bucket has been announced. I wonder if they're going down the storyline of the 1971 film where he supposedly has died. If so, I guess it would make the song "If You're Mother Were Here" a lot more sense, as I never really warmed to it and felt like the parents were singing about their other halves as if they had died! Maybe they could change it to Mrs. Bucket singing solo "If Your FATHER Were Here?" if they don't go back to "Cheer Up Charlie" from the film.
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