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Jul 31, 2020 16:16:20 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 16:16:20 GMT
With Scotland it would depend what sort of deal they could get from the rest of GB and whether the EU would take them back in. I'd think that NS and co would want fairly strong assurances from the EU that they would be accepted if a second independence vote went there way. Regardless of which party would be in power in the UK, it's main priority would be to it's citizens not propping up Scotland.
Thoughts on things like defence needs to be looked into. Would Scotand get into Nato, I guess if NS threatened to offer President Putin a submarine base on the Outer Heberides they'd soon be allowed in. Also would the poorer parts of Scotland which are third world like qualify for our sacred International Development Fund money?
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Aug 3, 2020 16:08:44 GMT
Post by NeilVHughes on Aug 3, 2020 16:08:44 GMT
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Post by The Matthew on Sept 10, 2020 13:53:20 GMT
I was starting to think that with all this coronavirus crisis going on the PM and his acolytes had forgotten they had international laws to break and bigots to encourage. Got to stick to those self-imposed deadlines.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 13, 2020 9:14:59 GMT
What on Earth are they playing at?!
This can hardly have come as a surprise - the lawyers would have told them before they signed the WA exactly what it meant. Why decide that it’s such a problem that they need to break international law and tank our international reputation now?!
Was Boris simply not paying attention to the legal advice last year?
Surely the PLAN can’t have been to sign it, ratify it, run an election campaign on it, and then say ‘actually we were crossing our fingers behind our back’.
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Post by n1david on Sept 13, 2020 9:43:23 GMT
Boris 2019 would have removed the Conservative whip from Boris 2020.
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Sept 13, 2020 10:08:32 GMT
Post by olliebean on Sept 13, 2020 10:08:32 GMT
At least two of the ERG stated ages ago that the only way Johnson had been able to get them to vote for the Withdrawal Agreement was by promising them he would break it; so really the only surprising thing about this is the open admission of the intention to do so, and to break international law in the process. My guess would be the plan is to provoke a no-deal response from the EU, so they can be blamed for the ultimate failure to exit the transition period with an agreed deal. As for the implications for our international reputation, I have no difficulty believing this is something Johnson won't have thought about, and Cummings doesn't care about.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Sept 13, 2020 10:24:42 GMT
Ironically breaking the Withdrawal Agreement gives the EU a free hand to walk away.
Compliance to International Law is the foundation on which Trade Deals are built, they will continue to talk and carry on as normal until the Bill is passed into U.K. Law and then cite it as the reason for No Deal if one is not agreed.
If it is a ploy to create a ‘culture war’ both the EU and Labour are not taking the bait, both are just watching the Tories begin to tear themselves apart.
Today Starmer played a blinder when he said he would support the Bill if - no longer risk breaching international law - address devolved administrations concerns of a “power grab” rather than dismiss with a tantrum.
Impossible for Johnson & Co to comply and Labour basically continuing their incompetence theme, Tories couldn’t even understand the impact of a Withdrawal Agreement which they signed, championed and fought an election on.
Who says there aren’t enough right wing comedians when we have a government full of them, only the joke is on us.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Sept 13, 2020 10:33:15 GMT
At least two of the ERG stated ages ago that the only way Johnson had been able to get them to vote for the Withdrawal Agreement was by promising them he would break it; so really the only surprising thing about this is the open admission of the intention to do so, and to break international law in the process. My guess would be the plan is to provoke a no-deal response from the EU, so they can be blamed for the ultimate failure to exit the transition period with an agreed deal. As for the implications for our international reputation, I have no difficulty believing this is something Johnson won't have thought about, and Cummings doesn't care about. It’s the inevitable endgame of a decadent politics that has the avoidance of responsibility at its heart. Blame is always somewhere else (why scapegoating and demonisation of ‘the other’ are often bedfellows). Populism is its dying spasm, where grievance takes the place of policy. When nothing matters, anything goes.
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Post by The Matthew on Sept 13, 2020 10:38:09 GMT
Unfortunately there are a considerable number of people who genuinely believe that everything wrong with Britain is down to malicious foreigners who are somehow both vastly inferior to us yet able to successfully scheme against us, so if we adopt an attitude of "sod 'em all" the Empire will return and Britain will take its place as the rightful ruler of Earth while the foreigners who plotted to destroy us will be begging for whatever scraps of trade we deign to offer.
And they're almost right on the last part of that, except they have the sides switched.
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Post by olliebean on Sept 13, 2020 10:44:35 GMT
It’s the inevitable endgame of a decadent politics that has the avoidance of responsibility at its heart. Blame is always somewhere else (why scapegoating and demonisation of ‘the other’ are often bedfellows). Populism is its dying spasm, where grievance takes the place of policy. When nothing matters, anything goes. Yes, I've found it's a fairly good rule of thumb with this government, when the question arises "Why are they doing this?" to replace it with the question "How does this allow them to blame somebody else?"
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Sept 14, 2020 22:52:32 GMT
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Post by talkingheads on Sept 14, 2020 22:52:32 GMT
We now have a tally of 340 MP's who are OK with breaking international law. On the same they they are trying to enforce the Rule of Six law. Beyond satire.
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Post by intoanewlife on Sept 14, 2020 23:18:56 GMT
We now have a tally of 340 MP's who are OK with breaking international law. On the same they they are trying to enforce the Rule of Six law. Beyond satire. On the plus side at least we can all still go grouse shooting/hunting with more than 6 of our mates x
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Post by The Matthew on Sept 15, 2020 6:06:31 GMT
I'm certain which way my MP voted because I don't think he's ever gone against the wishes of the government, obedient little puppet that he is. I live near a graveyard so perhaps I'll dig up a spine and send it to him as he's clearly in need of one.
(Turns out you can buy spines on Amazon. Hmmm...)
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Dec 23, 2020 13:04:28 GMT
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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 23, 2020 13:04:28 GMT
So very soon we could be on our own with our much hailed sovereignty and foreign made blue passports to cherish.
Looking at the pics of lorry drivers having a squirmish with the police is this a sign of things to come? I guess the situation has tested BJ's no deal planning and oh dear!
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Dec 23, 2020 13:45:01 GMT
Post by The Matthew on Dec 23, 2020 13:45:01 GMT
Apparently people in Kent are upset about all the lorries queueing for customs, because it doesn't seem to have occurred to them that this could happen with increased border checks. Elsewhere in the country some councils are complaining because it turns out that leaving the EU means they won't get their subsidies from the EU any more.
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Dec 23, 2020 15:01:46 GMT
Post by theglenbucklaird on Dec 23, 2020 15:01:46 GMT
Getting loads of messages trade deal is done. Nothing in the news.... yet. Anyone else?
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 23, 2020 15:40:16 GMT
Getting loads of messages trade deal is done. Nothing in the news.... yet. Anyone else? If recent history teaches as anything it is bound to end in tiers.
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Dec 23, 2020 15:53:09 GMT
Post by NeilVHughes on Dec 23, 2020 15:53:09 GMT
Also seeing these rumours.
The Coronavirus press conference is particularly bleak, if you were going to capitulate on a Trade Deal this would be a good time, attention will be focussing elsewhere, a long and slow transition period for fishing and the level playing field will include a way for the EU to limit trade if we digress too far but it will have been our decision as we are Sovereign.
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Post by theatreian on Dec 23, 2020 16:08:44 GMT
Yes it seems like a deal could be announced tomorrow. We could certainly do with some positive news after the briefing today. Still a trade deal and hope by Spring with the vaccination rollout is at least something to hold onto.
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Dec 23, 2020 17:14:16 GMT
Post by The Matthew on Dec 23, 2020 17:14:16 GMT
(Misplaced post moved to the vaccine thread.)
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Dec 24, 2020 15:50:10 GMT
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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 24, 2020 15:50:10 GMT
The proof of the 'oven ready' pudding is in the tasting - a deal agreed but I suspect it will takes decades before we know if its a tragedy, damp squib or a triumph*
I just hope now the country can start to heal and move forward.
*Triumph Herald
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Dec 24, 2020 16:42:22 GMT
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Post by Jan on Dec 24, 2020 16:42:22 GMT
Comical to see people on both sides commenting on the deal without having seen what’s in it, just trotting out their standard default biased views.
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Dec 24, 2020 17:08:36 GMT
Post by NeilVHughes on Dec 24, 2020 17:08:36 GMT
The only thing the deal gives us is tariff free movement of goods and is all that it could be once we chose to leave the Single Market and Customs Union and benefits the EU more than the U.K.
EU will transition to trade within the Single Market to remove the administratively heavy imports from the U.K. whilst for the foreseeable future we will have to continue to import from the EU due to proximity which will always be quickest which is always the business priority as any increase in lead time is equivalent to an increase in inventory and therefore ‘dead money’
Anything else of which fishing is the prime example is just lipstick on a pig.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Dec 24, 2020 17:27:59 GMT
Comical to see people on both sides commenting on the deal without having seen what’s in it, just trotting out their standard default biased views. I thought that when I read Laura Keunsberg's piece on the BBC
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Post by vdcni on Dec 24, 2020 18:30:27 GMT
Well the EU have released a pretty good summary of what the deal entails and how it differs from membership so it's not entirely unknowable.
Most comment I have seen has been that it is better than no deal and worse than EU membership but we knew that was always going to be the end result so it's completely possible to comment on that basis.
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Dec 24, 2020 19:47:18 GMT
Post by Phantom of London on Dec 24, 2020 19:47:18 GMT
I don’t know why the EU agreed to such an absurd deal. They should’ve dug their heals in.
It gives the green light to other European nations to leave the union now.
We now have to learn to live outside the union and hope a different government can align ourselves and heal wounds with Europe.
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Post by londonpostie on Dec 24, 2020 19:52:46 GMT
So at least two vaccines and a trade deal.
Get through this gruesome lockdown, get eveyone who needs it jabbed, and it might feel like a corner is in sight ...
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