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Nov 11, 2018 23:12:58 GMT
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Post by n1david on Nov 11, 2018 23:12:58 GMT
Oh yes, Prime Minister Corbyn agrees with you. That establishment campaign swept him to victory. We only have such men-of-the-people as Jacob Rees Mogg and Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson to thank for this. Thank God they showed the Establishment what for. It was widely believed that Labour would be wiped out and have an election result as bad as in 1983 but under Jeremy Corbyn they got 40% of the vote up 9.6% from 2015. Yes, but they still didn't win. It was a good result for Labour, but they still didn't win. It's all very well to acclaim Corbyn for doing better than expected, but the bottom line is that you can only actually run this country if you win. And they didn't.
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Post by olliebean on Nov 12, 2018 8:46:50 GMT
the bottom line is that you can only actually run this country if you win. Or if you bribe another party to give you a working majority.
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Nov 12, 2018 17:54:27 GMT
Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 12, 2018 17:54:27 GMT
the bottom line is that you can only actually run this country if you win. Or if you bribe another party to give you a working majority. Ooh that is good. Worth repeating, so I did it for you
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Nov 13, 2018 12:45:14 GMT
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Post by anthony40 on Nov 13, 2018 12:45:14 GMT
Just got back from a Brexit briefing at work. I work for a Local Authority and they were keen to hear our concerns were so as to best address the questions that may be raised by residents.
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Nov 13, 2018 15:34:16 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 13, 2018 15:34:16 GMT
Deal Or No Deal originated in the Netherlands.
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Nov 13, 2018 17:22:39 GMT
Post by Michael on Nov 13, 2018 17:22:39 GMT
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Nov 13, 2018 17:59:04 GMT
Post by sf on Nov 13, 2018 17:59:04 GMT
Whether or not there's been a breakthrough in negotiations between Mrs. May and the European Research Group remains to be seen.
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Nov 13, 2018 18:38:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 18:38:04 GMT
Deal Or No Deal originated in the Netherlands. Endemol (as per usual), yes. The British version was vastly simplified and only used the bit which traded on luck rather than skill (presumably as there was no need for experts). A game where very few were winners and where people were regularly tempted into giving up what they had for a dangerous gamble on something better. Ironic, really.
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Nov 13, 2018 18:40:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 18:40:30 GMT
Whether or not there's been a breakthrough in negotiations between Mrs. May and the European Research Group remains to be seen.
Labour say it looks like they can’t vote for it, the ERG, the SNP and a number of tory remainers neither. It’s as dead on arrival as Chequers.
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Nov 13, 2018 18:54:18 GMT
Post by sf on Nov 13, 2018 18:54:18 GMT
Whether or not there's been a breakthrough in negotiations between Mrs. May and the European Research Group remains to be seen.
Labour say it looks like they can’t vote for it, the ERG, the SNP and a number of tory remainers neither. It’s as dead on arrival as Chequers.
...which means this is probably where things start to get very interesting.
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Post by raider80 on Nov 13, 2018 19:17:37 GMT
Robert Mueller, the lead special council for the whole Trump-Russia Investigation is now looking into Nigel Farage and his contacts in Russia. We might slowly find out how much of a hand Russia had on Brexit if Mr. Farage has to speak to the Grand Jury.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 13, 2018 20:19:01 GMT
Robert Mueller, the lead special council for the whole Trump-Russia Investigation is now looking into Nigel Farage and his contacts in Russia. We might slowly find out how much of a hand Russia had on Brexit if Mr. Farage has to speak to the Grand Jury. He he
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Nov 13, 2018 20:21:22 GMT
Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 13, 2018 20:21:22 GMT
Labour say it looks like they can’t vote for it, the ERG, the SNP and a number of tory remainers neither. It’s as dead on arrival as Chequers.
...which means this is probably where things start to get very interesting.
Well done Mrs May, didn't think we would get here. Is there any deal this parliament would vote for? But still, some credit eh. Now see how much she will tell the MP's never mind me and you
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Post by n1david on Nov 15, 2018 9:18:44 GMT
Deal Or No Deal originated in the Netherlands. Although the Dutch format included quiz questions, so involved a fraction of general knowledge. (This is clearly the most important possible post on this thread today)
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Nov 15, 2018 9:45:37 GMT
Post by NeilVHughes on Nov 15, 2018 9:45:37 GMT
"As Brussels has spelt out with brutal clarity, the only change will be that Britain loses its Commissioner, its MEPs and its vote in Council.
Well this sh*tfest has moved up a gear this morning, not sure how this wil/can be resolved, looking forward to how our great political establishment dig us out of this hole.
We are where we are and bickering between ourselves will achieve nothing, the root cause was invoking Article 50 before we had determined a strategy and a framework for the divorce, negotiation with a gun to your head is never a good position.
With an open mind Brexit could have worked, now we will never know.
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Nov 15, 2018 10:30:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 10:30:28 GMT
She’ll be lucky to last the day at this rate. You just know the BBC are already preparing a drama series around this mess.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 10:38:05 GMT
I wish there was a way to force all those resigning who say the deal isn't what Brexit promised to explain exactly what deal they would propose and how it would be acceptable to the EU - not a single Brexiteer who is childishly bleating that the deal is crap has done that.
Of course the deal is crap - we are the ones pulling out of an agreement, so we are always going to be the ones who will be paying and not getting in return - that's the nature of being the one who chooses to breach or terminate an agreement.
Brexiteers still seem to think we can have our cake and eat it, which is not only preposterous, but has never been set out in a way that would ever be politically, commercially or economically acceptable to the EU. Funnily enough, that's because such a solution simply does not exist.
People blindly voting for Brexit on the assumption that the EU will just fold to the UK's demands and that we shouldn't have to pay are the root cause of all the problems, and the way Brexiteers have stuck to that ridiculous line without any real pragmatism or realism has just perpetuated the mess.
If Theresa May really is going to say that it's either My Deal, No Deal or No Brexit, then it is patently obvious which is the only viable option, and it isn't the first two.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 10:57:15 GMT
I wish there was a way to force all those resigning who say the deal isn't what Brexit promised to explain exactly what deal they would propose and how it would be acceptable to the EU - not a single Brexiteer who is childishly bleating that the deal is crap has done that. That's the thing that most pisses me off about this entire situation. All the critics are being let off the hook. Nobody is calling them out on their complete inability to offer anything remotely like a workable plan for going forward. Why aren't the press and media all over them for this?
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Nov 15, 2018 11:25:24 GMT
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Post by kathryn on Nov 15, 2018 11:25:24 GMT
I wish there was a way to force all those resigning who say the deal isn't what Brexit promised to explain exactly what deal they would propose and how it would be acceptable to the EU - not a single Brexiteer who is childishly bleating that the deal is crap has done that. That's the thing that most pisses me off about this entire situation. All the critics are being let off the hook. Nobody is calling them out on their complete inability to offer anything remotely like a workable plan for going forward. Why aren't the press and media all over them for this? Well, they didn't call them out back during the campaign, when Remainers were pointing out that there was no workable plan that would deliver on all of their promises suggestions, so why would they start now?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 11:30:07 GMT
I feel like theatre and our Brexit thread can finally converge.
“To lose one Brexit minister, Ms May, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness.”
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 11:31:09 GMT
"I cannot in good conscience support this deal which it was basically my only job to negotiate"
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Post by kathryn on Nov 15, 2018 11:51:36 GMT
Well, it's bound to be turned into an excellent play at some point, probably written by James Graham!
The only question is: will it be a farce or a tragedy?
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Nov 15, 2018 12:55:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 12:55:25 GMT
In an odd way, you do have to admire May’s stubbornness and commitment to the cause given her position on Brexit a few years back.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Nov 15, 2018 13:04:06 GMT
Well, it's bound to be turned into an excellent play at some point, probably written by James Graham! The only question is: will it be a farce or a tragedy? His Brexit drama airs quite soon I think, but will probably need to be a 10-part series at this rate!
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Nov 15, 2018 13:06:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 13:06:45 GMT
In an odd way, you do have to admire May’s stubbornness and commitment to the cause given her position on Brexit a few years back. She was given a hospital pass and, despite that, has made an attempt to run with it, knowing that it was always likely to get to this point. People said 'we don't want this, do what I want', without any idea of what that was and with so many different sets of expectations that leave was never deliverable in a form that satisfies a majority of the country. The architect of the referendum question takes the initial blame, followed by the unwillingness of anyone on the leave side to explain what version of leave they wanted people to vote for. So what next? The vote on this fails, May might well be replaced, parliament cannot get a majority on 'no deal' either.
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