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Post by Jon on Oct 6, 2023 16:38:19 GMT
I find it amusing JSO always target things like the Proms, Chelsea Flower Show, Wimbledon etc I think if they disrupted the Rugby World Cup in France or a football match, it would turn ugly.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 6, 2023 17:00:19 GMT
I find it amusing JSO always target things like the Proms, Chelsea Flower Show, Wimbledon etc I think if they disrupted the Rugby World Cup in France or a football match, it would turn ugly. Been a good few protests at football. Tie themselves to goalposts is the protest means |
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Post by ceebee on Oct 6, 2023 18:21:22 GMT
Maybe the thread feels one-sided because most rational people think JSO are a bunch of antagonistic self-serving disruptive a-holes. Not provoking argument, honest, but have you ever felt so passionate about something you've signed a petition, or taken to the streets to make your feelings known? My point being, are people only allowed to protest about something you personally feel strongly about? Is it JSO - their tactics - their targets? One of the vids I saw online was a woman being driven to a hospital appointment and held up in traffic, demanding JSO stop their slow march because she was pregnant (where her partner, the driver, had crashed into another vehicle, got out in a temper and smacked one of the JSO to the ground). Wouldn't the tube have been easier? One of the vids I saw online was a woman in an Uber taking her kids across London to catch a flight, demanding JSO stop their slow march because they were going to miss their flight and disrupt the kids holiday. People on this forum might know about the dangers to our planet, but it seems to be completely missed on some. I think my biggest issue with JSO is that they are funded charlatans who have had SO much airtime and failed to capitalise on it or galvanise support. They lack a proper plan and serve only to disrupt. JSO won't fix the climate issue - hard working clever folk alrwady creating solutiobs will drive the change agenda through innovation, rather than trying to control and stifle mass movement. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 18:31:55 GMT
Maybe the thread feels one-sided because most rational people think JSO are a bunch of antagonistic self-serving disruptive a-holes. Not provoking argument, honest, but have you ever felt so passionate about something you've signed a petition, or taken to the streets to make your feelings known? My point being, are people only allowed to protest about something you personally feel strongly about? Is it JSO - their tactics - their targets? One of the vids I saw online was a woman being driven to a hospital appointment and held up in traffic, demanding JSO stop their slow march because she was pregnant (where her partner, the driver, had crashed into another vehicle, got out in a temper and smacked one of the JSO to the ground). Wouldn't the tube have been easier? One of the vids I saw online was a woman in an Uber taking her kids across London to catch a flight, demanding JSO stop their slow march because they were going to miss their flight and disrupt the kids holiday. People on this forum might know about the dangers to our planet, but it seems to be completely missed on some. I have protested, but not in a way to put people at risk. Do you really expect a pregnant woman to use the underground? What if her waters had broke, what if she has had complications with pregnancy in the past? During the early protests blocking slowing down the traffic, there was a woman that had a stroke, she was stuck in the traffic, and due to that the damage caused by the stroke was life changing. The doctors had said that if she got there a few hours earlier she would have made a full recovery, but couldn't due to being stuck in traffic. During an interview the protestors highlighted that the impact to the earth is more important - no empathy or compassion at all. Yes the family are aware of the impact to the planet, but they are also aware of the impact to their loved ones put at risk by the protests that have resulted in no positive impact more. |
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Oct 6, 2023 18:46:14 GMT
Not provoking argument, honest, but have you ever felt so passionate about something you've signed a petition, or taken to the streets to make your feelings known? My point being, are people only allowed to protest about something you personally feel strongly about? Is it JSO - their tactics - their targets? One of the vids I saw online was a woman being driven to a hospital appointment and held up in traffic, demanding JSO stop their slow march because she was pregnant (where her partner, the driver, had crashed into another vehicle, got out in a temper and smacked one of the JSO to the ground). Wouldn't the tube have been easier? One of the vids I saw online was a woman in an Uber taking her kids across London to catch a flight, demanding JSO stop their slow march because they were going to miss their flight and disrupt the kids holiday. People on this forum might know about the dangers to our planet, but it seems to be completely missed on some. I think my biggest issue with JSO is that they are funded charlatans who have had SO much airtime and failed to capitalise on it or galvanise support. They lack a proper plan and serve only to disrupt. JSO won't fix the climate issue - hard working clever folk alrwady creating solutiobs will drive the change agenda through innovation, rather than trying to control and stifle mass movement. We know what needs to be done. Reducing our reliance on fossil fuels, improving public transport infrastructure so that people don't rely on driving everywhere, everyone consuming less across the board etc. And it's the clever people you're invoking who have told us this - the climate scientists. This kind of thinking of "let the clever ones sort it out so I don't have to change a lick about my lifestyle" is like when hyper-religious people refuse life-saving medical care because they think praying to God will fix it. Maybe that medical care was god's way of fixing it and in your hubris you've ignored it? |
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Post by ceebee on Oct 6, 2023 19:18:53 GMT
We know what needs to be done. Reducing our reliance on fossil fuels, improving public transport infrastructure so that people don't rely on driving everywhere, everyone consuming less across the board etc. And it's the clever people you're invoking who have told us this - the climate scientists. This kind of thinking of "let the clever ones sort it out so I don't have to change a pick about my lifestyle" is like when hyper-religious people refuse life-saving medical care because they think praying to God will fix it. Maybe that medical care was god's way of fixing it and in your hubris you've ignored it? I kind of agree to a point, though having seen first hand some of the green tech coming through, there are some really smart solutions that will take time to properly develop at scale. If JSO did their homework and bothered to properly explore the options, they'd calm down a little. We are a good 25 years from something resembling carbon neutrality with the requisite viable infrastructure and affordability to roll out at scale globally (not just for privileged rich countries). However it is coming. Jamming the gears of society and economies now with no suitable alternative is just brainless and smacks of extremism. The world will not burn in 25 years and many if us will live to tell the tale of how things changed, for the better, at the right time. We are not yet at that tipping point. |
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Post by interval99 on Oct 6, 2023 19:25:31 GMT
For those looking for some hope for the future YouTube has an increasing wonderful set of clips where people have had enough and actually don't allow these clowns to carry on without consequences.
Many great, often amusing clips of motorists in other countries pulling the law breakers out of the way by any means or any avaliable body part and are fully supported in the actions against the thugs.
In Germany the police are removing and arresting them as soon as they try anything on, even developing a new arm lock to lift them from roads, compared that to the uk met police seemly giving them tea , biscuits and a chat.
Gives hope that the courts and politicians may start to realise that law abiding people have had enough.
And as for saying it has people talking, as others have said it gets people talking about the stupidity of their so calls actions and then most of the office talked about joining the traffic jams to drive to the coast in the wonderful weather this weekend.
Happy barbecues folks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 23:56:40 GMT
Everything I've heard about MLK and the protests organised says that they were protests that made sense. The bus boycott, because of specific issues with buses. Sit-ins, in places where black people were normally not welcome. And of course marches, which have been common to almost every protest movement. As for the suffragettes - they were dangerous terrorists who quite possibly delayed women getting the right to vote, and are portrayed far too kindly by history. JSO haven't the common sense of MLK and his movement, and don't deserve to be spoken of in the same sentence. I absolutely will not respond to their ridiculous, self-indulgent protests in any way other than to want them stopped. The likes of MLK, Rev Jesse Jackson, Rosa Parks etc were fighting for basic civil liberty freedoms such as being able to sit on a seat of choice on a bus. Dr King lead peaceful protests and sit ins they didn't disrupt events like JSO seem to do. To even utter JSO's name in the same sentence as the likes of Dr King makes me cringe. No one was perfect, Dr King was considered a communist by the FBI, Churchill was in the wilderness for years when he was warning about the Nazi threat. The likes of Dr King and Churchill though got their key points right and that is what they are remembered for IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 0:18:32 GMT
I find it amusing JSO always target things like the Proms, Chelsea Flower Show, Wimbledon etc I think if they disrupted the Rugby World Cup in France or a football match, it would turn ugly. Been a good few protests at football. Tie themselves to goalposts is the protest means If they hadn't been removed fairly swiftly from the football matches or have targeted a high stakes grudge match things could have turned ugly. They did get on the field at the Premiership Final at Twickenham so they have targeted Rugby Union matches but an International match might be a much more passionate atmosphere. Also the risk of running onto the pitch with a load of 120kg guys running about there is the risk they could get "tackled". The England cricketer Johnny Bairstow carried one off the pitch at a Test Match this summer. I could see much bigger rugby players doing it much quicker and more effectively. |
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Post by Latecomer on Oct 7, 2023 20:52:39 GMT
I support JSO. I liked in the US tennis when Gauff’s match was interrupted and she just said that, yes it was a bit annoying, but she understood why they were doing it and respected their right to do it.
It’s an emergency and no-one is listening. You have to inconvenience people to get publicity. We’ve all seen nice peaceful marches in London that haven’t been reported in the news.
And yes, I have been held up once or twice going about London, and along with the irritation I just thought “respect, it’s a brave thing to do”
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Post by londonmzfitz on Oct 7, 2023 21:25:03 GMT
Not provoking argument, honest, but - I have protested, but not in a way to put people at risk. Do you really expect a pregnant woman to use the underground? What if her waters had broke, what if she has had complications with pregnancy in the past? During the early protests blocking slowing down the traffic, there was a woman that had a stroke, she was stuck in the traffic, and due to that the damage caused by the stroke was life changing. The doctors had said that if she got there a few hours earlier she would have made a full recovery, but couldn't due to being stuck in traffic. During an interview the protestors highlighted that the impact to the earth is more important - no empathy or compassion at all. Yes the family are aware of the impact to the planet, but they are also aware of the impact to their loved ones put at risk by the protests that have resulted in no positive impact more. I think my narrative doesn't quite cover the visual - link to daily mail article with the full video (behind ads). www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12314541/Just-Stop-Oil-activist-punched-floor-kicked-ground-boyfriend-pregnant-woman-car-crashes-protest-football-star-Chris-Kamara-held-different-demo-group.htmlThat oaf who crashed his car - he didn't just attack the Just Stop Oil protester, he physically threatened a passer-by who intervened as Mr Oaf kicked the JSO cameraman in the head; Mr Oaf didn't comfort his obviously distraught partner, just pointed at the door of the car to her. Crashed his car and took it out on a nearby target. Incidentally, Mr Oaf is driving a 15 year old Mercedes with 167g/km emission in Central London. (My 5 year old Toyota Aygo is, by comparison, 93g/km). *Anything less than 100g/km can be considered low – or good – CO2 emissions. Quote - The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has said that further bold action is urgently needed to tackle London’s filthy air, as new analysis by researchers from Imperial College London shows air pollution contributed to over 1,700 hospital admissions for asthma and COPD between 2017 and 2019. < Source - www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/cleaner-air-would-help-150000-breathe-easier. But maybe Mr Oaf and his pregnant partner don't live in London and won't be raising their kid somewhere where they need to be concerned about air pollution. Likewise the woman taking her kids in a cab across London to catch a flight for a holiday. Again - *I am not condoning the actions of Just Stop Oil*. I am very concerned for our future - I'm not talking about the personal use of oil for heating, for running a car, but this Government has given the green light for a new coal mine in Cumbria and Mogg wants fracking to be reinstated. |
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Post by mkb on Oct 7, 2023 22:49:53 GMT
I support JSO. I liked in the US tennis when Gauff’s match was interrupted and she just said that, yes it was a bit annoying, but she understood why they were doing it and respected their right to do it. It’s an emergency and no-one is listening. You have to inconvenience people to get publicity. We’ve all seen nice peaceful marches in London that haven’t been reported in the news. And yes, I have been held up once or twice going about London, and along with the irritation I just thought “respect, it’s a brave thing to do” JSO didn't just cause a minor annoyance. They didn't just hold the show up for ten minutes; they got it cancelled. Hopefully the full extent of the financial hit taken by the theatre and all of those present can be assessed, and the individuals involved can be made to pay it back, by the courts if necessary. The size of the claim will indicate quite how much of an "inconvenience" this protest was. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 23:22:02 GMT
I support JSO. I liked in the US tennis when Gauff’s match was interrupted and she just said that, yes it was a bit annoying, but she understood why they were doing it and respected their right to do it. It’s an emergency and no-one is listening. You have to inconvenience people to get publicity. We’ve all seen nice peaceful marches in London that haven’t been reported in the news. And yes, I have been held up once or twice going about London, and along with the irritation I just thought “respect, it’s a brave thing to do” JSO didn't just cause a minor annoyance. They didn't just hold the show up for ten minutes; they got it cancelled. Hopefully the full extent of the financial hit taken by the theatre and all of those present can be assessed, and the individuals involved can be made to pay it back, by the courts if necessary. The size of the claim will indicate quite how minor this protest was. The Theatre's should take an injunction out against JSO so if they interupt any further shows they would be liable for the costs. The Jockey Club did that against the Animal Activist Groups who disrupted the Grand National to stop them disrupting the Derby |
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Post by kathryn on Oct 8, 2023 15:39:58 GMT
It would not surprise me to find that JSO are a false flag operation. They are so counterproductive in gaining public support for the cause, they are doing far more harm than good.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 8, 2023 17:40:37 GMT
Seeing media reports that Chris Packham no longer supports the way JSO are protesting as their antics are counterproductive
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 9, 2023 10:05:08 GMT
JSO didn't just cause a minor annoyance. They didn't just hold the show up for ten minutes; they got it cancelled. Hopefully the full extent of the financial hit taken by the theatre and all of those present can be assessed, and the individuals involved can be made to pay it back, by the courts if necessary. The size of the claim will indicate quite how minor this protest was. The Theatre's should take an injunction out against JSO so if they interupt any further shows they would be liable for the costs. The Jockey Club did that against the Animal Activist Groups who disrupted the Grand National to stop them disrupting the Derby How do you tell between a lone activist and an organisation? I suppose intelligence is the answer. (I might have answered my own question?) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2023 12:09:03 GMT
The Theatre's should take an injunction out against JSO so if they interupt any further shows they would be liable for the costs. The Jockey Club did that against the Animal Activist Groups who disrupted the Grand National to stop them disrupting the Derby How do you tell between a lone activist and an organisation? I suppose intelligence is the answer. (I might have answered my own question?) I think it would be specific people with the banners of that organization and there would be known inlelligence. If some splinter organization suddenly appeared to do it then it could probably be traced back to the original group. If its a lone wolf they wouldn't get very far with a peaceful protest realistically. I think the injunctions were against a named group and probably covered key individuals. Often the protesters have been "repeat offenders/same people" so they would have their details logged when they were arrested and if they appear in court. The injunction was done when there was credibile evidence there might be a protest. An organization could easily say this as it causes the target to react gets them media coverage etc. A racetrack with a several mile perimeter is pretty hard to guard compared to say a theatre. |
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Post by dippy on Oct 9, 2023 14:59:09 GMT
There are probably some members of this board who are much older that I am and therefore have been attending theatre for much longer and I'm just curious if anyone is aware this sort of thing has happened before? I can understand a show stopping because of a technical fault, a problem with a set piece or a cast member falling ill however to have to stop a show for this or similar reasons- it's not something that I am consciously aware of? Don't need to be old to know of a similar situation. Fossil Free London disputed Matthew Bourne's Romeo and Juliet at Sadler's Wells few weeks ago, it was hardly talked about. I guess maybe because it didn't get cancelled, just delayed by it, but still it happened, maybe they gave JSO the idea. |
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Post by marob on Oct 9, 2023 16:52:37 GMT
There are probably some members of this board who are much older that I am and therefore have been attending theatre for much longer and I'm just curious if anyone is aware this sort of thing has happened before? I can understand a show stopping because of a technical fault, a problem with a set piece or a cast member falling ill however to have to stop a show for this or similar reasons- it's not something that I am consciously aware of? Don't need to be old to know of a similar situation. Fossil Free London disputed Matthew Bourne's Romeo and Juliet at Sadler's Wells few weeks ago, it was hardly talked about. I guess maybe because it didn't get cancelled, just delayed by it, but still it happened, maybe they gave JSO the idea. I saw that on social media at the time, and I think I might have commented about it on here too somewhere. But it goes to show how effective a form of protest it is that I have completely forgotten that it ever happened. |
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Post by Jan on Oct 9, 2023 17:15:40 GMT
I support JSO. It’s an emergency and no-one is listening. Why do you think no-one is listening ? UK leads the G7 in reducing CO2 emissions both nationally and on a consumer basis (which accounts for off-shoring of industry to China). CO2 emissions are down 49% from 1990, have decreased year-on-year in the last decade and are at levels last seen in 1888. That hasn't just happened by chance. |
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Post by profquatermass on Oct 10, 2023 6:22:49 GMT
I support JSO. It’s an emergency and no-one is listening. Why do you think no-one is listening ? UK leads the G7 in reducing CO2 emissions both nationally and on a consumer basis (which accounts for off-shoring of industry to China). CO2 emissions are down 49% from 1990, have decreased year-on-year in the last decade and are at levels last seen in 1888. That hasn't just happened by chance. Well, the PM has made it clear he intends to prioritise motorists over users of public transport... |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 10, 2023 12:27:54 GMT
These criminals have just thrown paint over the Radcliffe Camera in the centre of Oxford.
More pointless behaviour.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2023 12:36:53 GMT
What is the connection with their targets and their end goal? the BLM were taking actions against statues of "questionable" people. Even the ECO mobs in the road are stopping public traffic. Good old swampy and his mob in tunnels or up trees were protesting in a certain area. The JCO just seems to be random acts of vandalism. Is what they do any different to someone attempting to torch a Shakespeare first folio?
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Post by marob on Oct 10, 2023 13:41:32 GMT
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 10, 2023 14:15:34 GMT
It is an offshoot of JSO These ones like to throw glitter. Just hope it is biodegradable... |
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