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Post by zahidf on Jul 18, 2023 10:15:37 GMT
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Post by Being Alive on Jul 18, 2023 11:27:29 GMT
Can only assume Dunster is about to become this decade's Jamie Lloyd - deeply average director who just inexplicably continues to get work in prestigious houses
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Post by alessia on Jul 18, 2023 11:52:55 GMT
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Post by MrBunbury on Jul 18, 2023 12:01:56 GMT
I would love to see Ruth Wilson in this.
I read the play when I was 13 and I found it shocking, but then all actual productions I have seen left me cold so hopefully this new one will make me feel uneasy!
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Post by imstillhere on Jul 18, 2023 12:31:29 GMT
Can only assume Dunster is about to become this decade's Jamie Lloyd - deeply average director who just inexplicably continues to get work in prestigious houses Jamie Lloyd at least has an artistic vision for his productions. Dunster's work is just straight up pathetic - no vision and no sense of rhythm, dramatic insight and god awful at casting. |
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Post by Being Alive on Jul 18, 2023 12:34:00 GMT
Can only assume Dunster is about to become this decade's Jamie Lloyd - deeply average director who just inexplicably continues to get work in prestigious houses Jamie Lloyd at least has an artistic vision for his productions. Dunster's work is just straight up pathetic - no vision and no sense of rhythm, dramatic insight and god awful at casting. I mean I'll sound like a broken record on this but Lloyd's artistic vision is always at the sacrifice of the material - never feels like he cares about the piece he's directing and is just keen to throw his 'style' at it, whether it warrants it or not. |
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Post by Jon on Jul 18, 2023 12:47:36 GMT
I've previously said Matthew Dunster is the Laurence Connor of plays. He's hired because he's competent and a safe pair of hands.
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Post by Jan on Jul 18, 2023 13:09:38 GMT
Can only assume Dunster is about to become this decade's Jamie Lloyd - deeply average director who just inexplicably continues to get work in prestigious houses Lloyd is not much of a director but he's a really great producer - his West End Pinter season for example, and the casting he had for that, put the entire subsidised sector to shame. I'd like to see him in charge of the NT for that reason. |
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Post by Being Alive on Jul 18, 2023 13:12:24 GMT
Absolutely a good producer Jan and if you promise he won't direct a show on any of the three stages, I'll join you in your campaign!
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Post by Jon on Jul 18, 2023 13:16:36 GMT
Lloyd is not much of a director but he's a really great producer - his West End Pinter season for example, and the casting he had for that, put the entire subsidised sector to shame. I'd like to see him in charge of the NT for that reason. There's no chance they'll give Jamie Lloyd the NT gig nor would he want it. |
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Post by David J on Jul 18, 2023 14:06:15 GMT
Part of me is excited for this and another thinks nothing will surpass the brilliant 2012 RSC production. Neither the Jamie Lloyd or last year's touring production did. One of the best revivals I saw in the previous decade.
There was no gimmicks or artistic flair to it. It was a straight production but the direction from David Farr and performances from the cast like Nicholas Woodeson's Max and Jonathan Slinger's Lenny, delivered a tense and shocking production. I saw the ending coming and yet still left stunned by it.
Jamie Lloyd as a director, as people have discussed above, is style over substance. Maybe with the right people like James McAvoy can elevate his productions. Too much production values in his Homecoming and he directed the men to be over the top. Don't I recall he had the Teddy character bite on his hand out of shaking fear or something at one moment. Tried too hard to show how macho and misogynistic the men are when it's there in the play already before they're subverted by Ruth.
And I fear Matthew Dunster is going to do the same with this "bold, spare refocusing of Harold Pinter’s powerful masterpiece". Re-inventing the wheel as it were.
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Post by londonpostie on Jul 18, 2023 15:44:24 GMT
It's a concern. After gutting The Pillowman, Dunster takes on a major work of a Nobel prize-winner: what could possibly ..
I'll go, likely book twice, and hope justice is done to Hackney's finest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 22:57:31 GMT
Absolutely a good producer Jan and if you promise he won't direct a show on any of the three stages, I'll join you in your campaign! Whether an Artistic Director is a Director in the play/musical sense or the Director in the business sense being head of the Artistic output is always a fine balancing line. I wonder if ADs of producing houses have to commit to direct a certain number of players per year or part of their salary is dependent on this. If they are a programmer then do they have a budget to bring in directors or maybe have a resident director on the theatre staff even do it as a joint role. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 18, 2023 23:23:46 GMT
Part of me is excited for this and another thinks nothing will surpass the brilliant 2012 RSC production. Neither the Jamie Lloyd or last year's touring production did. One of the best revivals I saw in the previous decade. There was no gimmicks or artistic flair to it. It was a straight production but the direction from David Farr and performances from the cast like Nicholas Woodeson's Max and Jonathan Slinger's Lenny, delivered a tense and shocking production. I saw the ending coming and yet still left stunned by it. Jamie Lloyd as a director, as people have discussed above, is style over substance. Maybe with the right people like James McAvoy can elevate his productions. Too much production values in his Homecoming and he directed the men to be over the top. Don't I recall he had the Teddy character bite on his hand out of shaking fear or something at one moment. Tried too hard to show how macho and misogynistic the men are when it's there in the play already before they're subverted by Ruth. And I fear Matthew Dunster is going to do the same with this "bold, spare refocusing of Harold Pinter’s powerful masterpiece". Re-inventing the wheel as it were. That 2012 production was seriously good. It was what the play needed and deserved. It is already a bold and spare script with the focus where it needs to be. |
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Post by Jan on Jul 19, 2023 6:55:09 GMT
I wonder if ADs of producing houses have to commit to direct a certain number of players per year or part of their salary is dependent on this. I assume it varies because when David Lan was AD at the Young Vic he seemed to go years without directing or writing anything himself. Also interesting is how much time they are allowed to spend working for other organisations, for example Rupert Goold has directed a couple of things away from the Almeida recently in fairly quick succession. |
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Post by theatreliker on Jul 19, 2023 9:15:28 GMT
I've seen this play twice in the last 7 years or so (Jamie Lloyd and ETT productions). It's not my favourite Pinter so will most likely give it a miss.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2023 14:21:54 GMT
Saw an excellent version with Ian Holm, Lia Williams and I think Ian Hart at the Comedy now Harold Pinter Theatre must be 20 odd years ago now. I had wanted to see Ian Holm on stage but Lia stole the show and was superb.
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Post by drmaplewood on Jul 19, 2023 14:23:12 GMT
Did anyone else see the Danny Dyer one at the Almeida in 2008? Remember enjoying it a lot but I was fairly new to theatre then.
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Post by barrowside on Jul 19, 2023 15:19:20 GMT
Saw an excellent version with Ian Holm, Lia Williams and I think Ian Hart at the Comedy now Harold Pinter Theatre must be 20 odd years ago now. I had wanted to see Ian Holm on stage but Lia stole the show and was superb. That production was terrific - it originated at the Gate Theatre Dublin where I saw it. What became of its director Robin Lefevre? He was great. Has he retired? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2023 19:32:19 GMT
That production was terrific - it originated at the Gate Theatre Dublin where I saw it. What became of its director Robin Lefevre? He was great. Has he retired? Robin is 76 now and Googling him the last thing he directed was Ladies in Lavender in 2012. I had forgotten he directed the terrific Jake's Progress on TV in the mid 1990's. |
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Post by londonpostie on Jul 28, 2023 11:22:45 GMT
For those interested, public booking opened at noon for this and Nachtland. Painless and quite a bit of £12 front row still around  |
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Post by Jan on Jul 28, 2023 11:24:49 GMT
For those interested, public booking opened at noon for this and Nachtland. Painless and quite a bit of £12 front row around. Yes, only 5 minutes in the queue for me. All their prices seem very reasonable for these two plays. |
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Post by zahidf on Jul 28, 2023 12:36:14 GMT
Did anyone else see the Danny Dyer one at the Almeida in 2008? Remember enjoying it a lot but I was fairly new to theatre then. I saw it! thought it was excellent |
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Post by Rory on Jul 28, 2023 12:44:15 GMT
Would you see much in front row of traverse?
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Post by jr on Jul 29, 2023 6:13:33 GMT
Have they released all tickets? Both this and Nachtland seem to be sold out for top floors and lucky dip. Find this a bit weird.
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