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Post by Jon on Jul 9, 2023 1:44:38 GMT
Something I've been thinking about is how unlike sport and music, theatre both commercial and subsidised doesn't make a big song and dance about corporate partnerships. There are exceptions like the National Theatre which has billboards that advertise their tie in with American Express but mostly it's tucked away on the website and in programmes.
Also, I wonder why commercial producers and theatre operators don't try and attract sponsorship? Something like the Palladium Panto could be sponsored by say Innocent for example I know it has happened with some shows like Breakfast at Tiffany's which was sponsored by Chambord years ago and The Lion King UK tour was supported by Vodafone.
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Post by og on Jul 9, 2023 11:57:28 GMT
I quite like that recognition is subtle. We don’t need projections blasted all over the auditorium pre show and during the interval, ruining the atmosphere. That said there has already been discussion about sponsorship and product placement, Bobbie drinking her Starbucks during scenes of Company being one example. If productions started having to shoehorn in overt corporate branding it would be a massive turn off for me.. Disney in association with Channel present Mary Poppins. Eff off. Delete this thread before someone reads it and decides an ad in a programme isn’t enough and they want flashing billboards front of house.
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Post by Jon on Jul 9, 2023 21:41:35 GMT
I quite like that recognition is subtle. We don’t need projections blasted all over the auditorium pre show and during the interval, ruining the atmosphere. That said there has already been discussion about sponsorship and product placement, Bobbie drinking her Starbucks during scenes of Company being one example. If productions started having to shoehorn in overt corporate branding it would be a massive turn off for me.. Disney in association with Channel present Mary Poppins. Eff off. Delete this thread before someone reads it and decides an ad in a programme isn’t enough and they want flashing billboards front of house. I'm personally not that bothered, if it mean extra dosh for theatres or productions then so be it. In America, they're more willing to have showcase sponsorship. Indeed in Chicago, they have the CIBC Theatre and the Cadillac Palace Theatre.
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Post by og on Jul 10, 2023 19:05:04 GMT
So by that logic, we should make gun ownership open and accessible here too then yeah, 'cause that's working a treat over there.
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Post by Jan on Jul 10, 2023 19:49:48 GMT
What do European theatres do ? It’s a rhetorical question as I know no one knows or cares but with large subsidised sectors they would be a better comparison wouldn’t they ? The absolute obsession with all things American is very wearing.
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Post by craig on Jul 13, 2023 11:32:17 GMT
Was horrified at ATG’s Milton Keynes Theatre recently that the bar has been branded “Facilities Management Solutions Bar”. The desperation of it all…
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Post by shownut on Jul 13, 2023 12:06:48 GMT
So by that logic, we should make gun ownership open and accessible here too then yeah, 'cause that's working a treat over there. Might be helpful to note here that there is a LOT more to America than laws around gun ownership (just as there is more to the UK than a Brexit vote) so perhaps lets keep this thread about theatre/corporate sponsorship as intended? I am not sure why involving corporate money into theatres is considered an evil deed. Their sponsorship is generally guaranteed to improve/refurbish theatres which usually means better seats, restrooms, wider public spaces and sound maintenance of the property. They don't get their name on the marquee for nothing. The 'Cadillac Palace Theatre' is in Chicago on a street downtown where, up until the mid 90's, there were several theatres that were rat-infested movie houses on the verge of collapsing. Without corporate entities sweeping in to restore those theatres and make them viable houses for plays/musicals, they would have been torn down. If that means naming the theatre after a a brand that helped save it and bring it back to life, so be it.
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Post by theatrefan62 on Jul 13, 2023 21:19:11 GMT
I don't see it as a big deal, as a kid in th 90s corporate sponsorship was a common sight going to the theatre. Pantos were sponsored by Cadburys and my local number 1 venue was sponsored by a legal firm who's branding was over the safety curtain during intervals.
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Post by mrnutz on Jul 14, 2023 9:39:09 GMT
As long as the sponsors can't influence the programming, and the funding goes towards cheaper tickets / better facilities and not just the owners' pockets, it really doesn't bother me at all.
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Post by og on Jul 15, 2023 7:07:19 GMT
So by that logic, we should make gun ownership open and accessible here too then yeah, 'cause that's working a treat over there. Might be helpful to note here that there is a LOT more to America than laws around gun ownership (just as there is more to the UK than a Brexit vote) so perhaps lets keep this thread about theatre/corporate sponsorship as intended? I am not sure why involving corporate money into theatres is considered an evil deed. Their sponsorship is generally guaranteed to improve/refurbish theatres which usually means better seats, restrooms, wider public spaces and sound maintenance of the property. They don't get their name on the marquee for nothing. The 'Cadillac Palace Theatre' is in Chicago on a street downtown where, up until the mid 90's, there were several theatres that were rat-infested movie houses on the verge of collapsing. Without corporate entities sweeping in to restore those theatres and make them viable houses for plays/musicals, they would have been torn down. If that means naming the theatre after a a brand that helped save it and bring it back to life, so be it. Well of course there is "a LOT more" to the US than their flagrant gun use but I think it's a fairly salient example of social attitude there which demonstrates how clearly as a nation they differ (and imo not for the better) in the same way their culture of conglomerate corporations has led to this elementary need to dilute everything with branding. The flippant remark I make is not just a statement 'oh they own guns', it's a retort at how the mentality of gun ownership over decades has led to a shift in mentality far beyond that of our own. If you want to fairly discuss the amalgamation of corporations with Theatres and compare the UK against the USA as Jon did, I believe it's necessary and worthwhile to compare social constructs and societal attitudes. Although it is rather befitting that in a thread discussing corporate partnership someone would suggest censoring and tailoring the discussion.
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Post by shownut on Jul 15, 2023 8:14:59 GMT
To OG,
I respectfully disagree and as an American who worked in theatres which were supported by a fair amount of corporate funding, I think I can speak with some authority here.
There seems to be a notion, or 'societal attitude', that anything tied to corporations is 'evil and therefore must be avoided'. That's a pity. Not all corporations are evil, nor do all require a 'quid-pro-quo' that amounts to their using theatres as a mass-marketing tool in exchange for major funding. Many give because they feel it is the correct thing to do and because many Board members/trustees believe strongly in supporting the arts. Yes, they may get a mention in the programme but beyond that, many give squillions to keep theatres afloat and ask for very little in return.
Ask any regional theatre in the US where they would be without corporate partners and many would say 'closed'. So to suggest that there is some 'elementary need to dilute everything with branding' is wrong. It is actually a need to stay open, as, unlike the UK, many of those theatres cannot rely on a modicum of government funding. I have rarely seen, where there is heavy corporate funding, actual branding being used in a way that was grotesque. Yes, some stages are jointly named after the brands that funded them, but if Coca-Cola has paid £25mil to refurbish a theatre why should they not have that right? Wealthy patrons have areas of buildings, rooms and auditoriums named after them all the time for their vast contributions (here is the UK that is very common, especially in museums) so why should corporates be treated any differently for their genorosity?
PS Sorry for the double post - have used this forum for some time and still find it difficult to navigate correctly when responding with previous quote.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 15, 2023 8:21:27 GMT
Duplicate removed.
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Post by shownut on Jul 15, 2023 8:27:22 GMT
Well of course there is "a LOT more" to the US than their flagrant gun use but I think it's a fairly salient example of social attitude there which demonstrates how clearly as a nation they differ (and imo not for the better) in the same way their culture of conglomerate corporations has led to this elementary need to dilute everything with branding. The flippant remark I make is not just a statement 'oh they own guns', it's a retort at how the mentality of gun ownership over decades has led to a shift in mentality far beyond that of our own. If you want to fairly discuss the amalgamation of corporations with Theatres and compare the UK against the USA as Jon did, I believe it's necessary and worthwhile to compare social constructs and societal attitudes. Although it is rather befitting that in a thread discussing corporate partnership someone would suggest censoring and tailoring the discussion. And as a side note on your previous comment "The flippant remark I make is not just a statement 'oh they own guns', it's a retort at how the mentality of gun ownership over decades has led to a shift in mentality far beyond that of our own."...... There hasn't been a shift in the mentality of gun ownership in the US over decades and that is the problem. Those who firmly believe owning an assault weapon should be a protected right has NOT changed in light of almost daily/weekly mass shootings. I wish there WAS a shift in that mentality but alas.....you might be relieved to know that a fairly large portion of America is in line with the UK position when it comes to gun ownership. But sadly, America is under minority rule when it comes to issues such as guns, abortion, LGBTQ+ rights and the future, in regard to those issues is not looking so bright..... That's all. Back to corporates.... :-)
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