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Post by kathryn on Aug 3, 2017 15:02:27 GMT
Well if we're on a Shakespeare roll. Hamlet is a dull play. And the role of Hamlet is even more dull. There. Said it. Dammit. And now I've said that I've realised Oscar Isaac is doing me it. I'm seeing that one at the end of the month. I'll see if I can fit him in my suitcase and bring him home for you, Ryan.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 3, 2017 15:04:11 GMT
I've been seeing so much, 'We don't need another Hamlet! Andrew Scott's is definitive!' the last few days... Is anything ever definitive? Especially with some of the 'classic' roles. I've seen productions of plays I love but over time I forget bits and when someone comes along that I like I've off to see it again. Plus with the many sides/parts of Hamet can any one actor play them all, don't you pick what you did a bit like Cleopatra? If I recall correctly, there's not even a definitive text of the play. I've seen at least 3 different versions performed.
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Post by lynette on Aug 3, 2017 16:57:01 GMT
And they put a rarely done bit in the Andrew Scott Hamlet. V interesting. Made a difference to how one sees Gertrude. Was discussed in that thread I think.
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Post by peggs on Aug 3, 2017 17:36:29 GMT
And they put a rarely done bit in the Andrew Scott Hamlet. V interesting. Made a difference to how one sees Gertrude. Was discussed in that thread I think. Yep Kathryn and lynette, makes quite a difference doesn't it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 17:42:30 GMT
I'm not a fan of boring traditional Shakespeare anencephaly in an interview I heard Juliet Stevenson saying how lot she of the Shakespeare she liked was by foreign directors as she feel so they are more free with it and experiential and in Britain Shakespeare is very prestigious. When I see more shakspesare in the future I want to see exciting modern versions. I do still want to see the Hiddle Hamlet Andy know it will be traditional and not as good as the Icke version
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Post by Jane Parfitt on Aug 3, 2017 19:30:49 GMT
Moving on from Shakespeare, my guilty confession is that I really don't like 'The Play That goes Wrong'! I work in a regional theatre and it has completely sold out 2 separate weeks there. Is it only me that thinks this is a bit of an 'Emperors New Clothes' phenomenon? People in the audience started laughing like maniacs before anything had really happened and one person even asked me in the interval whether the maniac laughers had been planted in the audience (they hadn't).
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Post by crowblack on Aug 3, 2017 22:13:28 GMT
I really don't like 'The Play That goes Wrong'! I enjoyed Peter Pan Goes Wrong when it was on TV, but the framing device of its being put on by a fictional polytechnic was unforgivably snobbish and set it off on the wrong foot.
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Post by Backdrifter on Aug 3, 2017 22:17:16 GMT
Constellations is a massively overrated soppy load of tedious rubbish.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Aug 3, 2017 23:22:59 GMT
I've been seeing so much, 'We don't need another Hamlet! Andrew Scott's is definitive!' the last few days... Is anything ever definitive? Especially with some of the 'classic' roles. I've seen productions of plays I love but over time I forget bits and when someone comes along that I like I've off to see it again. Plus with the many sides/parts of Hamet can any one actor play them all, don't you pick what you did a bit like Cleopatra? It makes me very sad that no one wants to give their definitive Pericles.
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Post by vabbian on Aug 3, 2017 23:26:15 GMT
don't like genders or races being shoehorned into historically inaccurate roles for the sake of diversity
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 4, 2017 6:39:08 GMT
don't like genders or races being shoehorned into historically inaccurate roles for the sake of diversity Hallelloo!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 8:40:52 GMT
Moving on from Shakespeare, my guilty confession is that I really don't like 'The Play That goes Wrong'! I work in a regional theatre and it has completely sold out 2 separate weeks there. Is it only me that thinks this is a bit of an 'Emperors New Clothes' phenomenon? People in the audience started laughing like maniacs before anything had really happened and one person even asked me in the interval whether the maniac laughers had been planted in the audience (they hadn't). Snap!
I confess the first time I saw it I laughed...but having seen Peter Pan on tv then Play...again I was entirely devoid of mirth. I must simply be an old grump. (however despite that I'm fond of the company and glad they exist but I probably won't see them again)
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Post by adrianics on Aug 4, 2017 8:52:42 GMT
Inspired by earlier talk of Andrew Scott's Hamlet:
Sherlock is garbage. Intellectually lazy and appallingly written, and completely misses the point and appeal of Sherlock Holmes, both as a character and wider universe. Steven Moffatt is a terrible writer and raging misogynist, incapable of writing women as anything other than whining hang-ons who only exist to be saved from themselves by the male ubermensch. Benedict Cumberbatch is an extremely limited actor and his success is baffling to me, and his version of Sherlock Holmes is basically Doctor Who in a nice jacket.
I also find Shakespeare next to impossible to follow and only see a Shakespeare play if a friend is in it.
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Post by d'James on Aug 4, 2017 9:21:49 GMT
Inspired by earlier talk of Andrew Scott's Hamlet: Sherlock is garbage. Intellectually lazy and appallingly written, and completely misses the point and appeal of Sherlock Holmes, both as a character and wider universe. Steven Moffatt is a terrible writer and raging misogynist, incapable of writing women as anything other than whining hang-ons who only exist to be saved from themselves by the male ubermensch. Benedict Cumberbatch is an extremely limited actor and his success is baffling to me, and his version of Sherlock Holmes is basically Doctor Who in a nice jacket. *STANDING OVATION*
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Post by kathryn on Aug 4, 2017 9:27:30 GMT
Honestly, at this point I feel like 'Steven Moffatt is not a misogynist, and is a very good writer' is probably the unpopular opinion, I see the above sentiments expressed so frequently!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 9:29:59 GMT
One thing I also have to admit that I fear may get some backlash is that I really don't like classic American family drama plays. I have seen the glass menagerie and who's afraid of Virginia would and both of them were just not my cup of tea and they are considered some of the greats so I would hate to see some of the ones that aren't considered as good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 9:32:33 GMT
Here's another for you. Harry Potter stinks.
The books. The films. The play. The hype. The hysteria. The Olivier Awards.
Stinks.
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Post by vabbian on Aug 4, 2017 9:43:13 GMT
Here's another for you. Harry Potter stinks. The books. The films. The play. The hype. The hysteria. The Olivier Awards. Stinks.
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Post by Dawnstar on Aug 4, 2017 11:09:32 GMT
Moving on from Shakespeare, my guilty confession is that I really don't like 'The Play That goes Wrong'! I work in a regional theatre and it has completely sold out 2 separate weeks there. Is it only me that thinks this is a bit of an 'Emperors New Clothes' phenomenon? People in the audience started laughing like maniacs before anything had really happened and one person even asked me in the interval whether the maniac laughers had been planted in the audience (they hadn't). I do like TPTGW & have seen it a lot but I don't get the insane laughter levels either. There are some lines that I never get to hear because the rest of the audience are making soooo much noise.
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Post by TallPaul on Aug 4, 2017 12:33:48 GMT
I was all set to book for The Play...when it visited my local theatre on tour, but then I watched Peter Pan on the TV over Christmas. I saved my money.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 4, 2017 14:01:51 GMT
I don't get the Mark Rylance thing. I must add that I have never seen him live, though I did see him on the way to the shops a lot when I lived in Brixton, always in a hat and often talking about Shakespeare, but he's not an actor I enjoy watching on TV or film and I think he was miscast in Wolf Hall.
I can't say I've enjoyed much of Daniel Day-Lewis's later work either: very self-conscious and with a distinct whiff of ham. I like There Will Be Blood, but I think that's a lot down to Paul Dano.
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Post by junet on Aug 4, 2017 16:17:09 GMT
I really didn't enjoy A Little Night Music at the Menier a few years ago. For some reason I found it depressing.
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Post by tmesis on Aug 4, 2017 18:47:36 GMT
I've never seen what others see in Antony Sher. I've seen him five or six times over the years at NT in many different roles but he always seems to give the same (dull) performance.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 4, 2017 19:12:20 GMT
Showing my age, he was brilliant in Richard III and in Moliere and Tartuffe, screened on the BBC back when they used to do such things. I don't think his style works on TV or film. I haven't seen him onstage in anything since I was a kid, though.
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Post by profquatermass on Aug 4, 2017 20:26:09 GMT
One thing I also have to admit that I fear may get some backlash is that I really don't like classic American family drama plays. I have seen the glass menagerie and who's afraid of Virginia would and both of them were just not my cup of tea and they are considered some of the greats so I would hate to see some of the ones that aren't considered as good. Why would there be a backlash? I thought Who's Afraid was completely ridiculous. Who behaves like that? I left August Osage County at the first interval (did see the film later and thought Streep was terrific but no regrets about the play). And as for O'Neill... I've seen all the major ones and I still just don't get him at all. See also Miller. That salesma couldn't die fast enough enough for me.
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