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Post by paulbrownsey on Dec 24, 2019 10:09:50 GMT
There have always been whistles when a character may take a shirt off Even that is pathetic. I’m not willing to legitimise it. Just shut the F up and watch the show. Its not the bloody Chippendales 😑 Yes. It's as inconsiderate of other members of the audience as standing ovations.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Dec 10, 2019 21:31:20 GMT
No, because I have largely stopped going to theatre, except in a few select venues, because of bad behaviour like standing ovations. But had I been there, I might have said something like, "Could I please see the performers take their bow instead of having my view blocked by your b um?" My bum is a gorgeous view. I should charge people to sit behind me Yes, but the farts are overwhelming.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Dec 10, 2019 21:29:30 GMT
I see. You want a feeling-boost that depends on some members of the audience being denied a view of the stage for which they have paid. How selfish you are. Hardly selfish when they have just spent the last two hours or more working extremely hard for your entertainment. If you're really that bothered about it and not an incessant troll, book an aisle seat where you can see around people. It really isn't difficult. It IS selfish, if you demand appreciation in a form that denies some members of the audience a view of the stage for which they have paid. I note your attempt to stigmatise as a troll someone who is persistent in favour of consideration for others.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Dec 7, 2019 17:06:24 GMT
As a performer I know it makes a massive difference to how you feel when an audience shows their appreciation this way. I see. You want a feeling-boost that depends on some members of the audience being denied a view of the stage for which they have paid. How selfish you are.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Dec 7, 2019 17:05:26 GMT
Paul are you by any chance the man who shouted at me to sit down when I stood for the bows at the Annie tour a few weeks ago? No, because I have largely stopped going to theatre, except in a few select venues, because of bad behaviour like standing ovations. But had I been there, I might have said something like, "Could I please see the performers take their bow instead of having my view blocked by your b um?"
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Post by paulbrownsey on Dec 3, 2019 15:41:49 GMT
What a strange set of values has got embedded, if a good performance by the actors earns a blocked view for some members of the audience. Find some other way to show them what they've earned--some way other than placing your backside in front of the eyes of the person behind. It's so selfish, and if the actors encourage it, thoughtless of them. How about just clapping that bit louder? Or stamping your feet? There is no necessary connection between showing appreciation and getting on your feet, you know. Have consideration for the people behind. Dude, a standing O lasts for a few minutes. It's not a huge deal, in my eyes. Personally, I have not stood quite a few times and been the only one still sitting because I didn't think the show deserved a standing O, whilst others shoot to their feet around me. It doesn't bother me. If you want to see, stand. But I do think standing ovations are ridiculous so I purposely stay seated alot of time unless it's outstanding. Gosh, I'm being addressed as "Dude", like a character in Friends!!! It's still selfish. It still shows lack of consideration for the people behind. Such a Tory thing to do... "I am certainly not going to start stamping my feet because I'm neither a toddler, a football hooligan or an animal " Any of those is better than being selfish and inconsiderate towards the people behind.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Dec 3, 2019 15:39:50 GMT
What a strange set of values has got embedded, if a good performance by the actors earns a blocked view for some members of the audience. Find some other way to show them what they've earned--some way other than placing your backside in front of the eyes of the person behind. It's so selfish, and if the actors encourage it, thoughtless of them. How about just clapping that bit louder? Or stamping your feet? There is no necessary connection between showing appreciation and getting on your feet, you know. Have consideration for the people behind. I am certainly not going to start stamping my feet because I'm neither a toddler, a football hooligan or an animal I've given two standing ovations this year in 130 trips (Come From Away and Jeremy Jordan) because both performances were outstanding and deserved it. The audience reacted as one and all stood up instantly. I certainly don't think that people should stand as a matter of course just because it's finished, and agree that it is becoming too commonplace. If 'clapping louder' is your preferred method then great, but there is nothing inherantly rude, wrong or obnoxious about the people who stand for 2 minutes at the end of a performance to show the universally recognised indication of gratitude for an extraordinary performance. It's still inconsiderate. "The audience reacted as one and all stood up instantly." I bet there were some who did so only because the selfish people in front did so. This idea of a whole audience rising as one--a sort of group; mind--has been encouraged by those talent contests on TV.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Nov 29, 2019 21:12:15 GMT
You seem hung up on the idea that the only way to demonstrate respect and love for performers is to block the view of people behind. There are other ways, you know. But selfish people won't bother to think of them, and many of them love being seen leaping to their feet. Self-indulgence vs consideration for others. I really don't think any of us give a standing ovation because we want to be seen doing so and making it about us. We give it because it's earned, and you often see performers acknowledging people who have stood and they're very grateful for it. It has nothing to do with self-indulgence (at least for me). What a strange set of values has got embedded, if a good performance by the actors earns a blocked view for some members of the audience. Find some other way to show them what they've earned--some way other than placing your backside in front of the eyes of the person behind. It's so selfish, and if the actors encourage it, thoughtless of them. How about just clapping that bit louder? Or stamping your feet? There is no necessary connection between showing appreciation and getting on your feet, you know. Have consideration for the people behind.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Nov 25, 2019 13:00:01 GMT
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Post by paulbrownsey on Nov 25, 2019 12:57:12 GMT
They really are. Standing ovations prevent some people from seeing the cast take their bows. The standing ovations sometimes obscure the finale, too, and there are those people who leap to their feet several times during the show. Both demonstrate selfishishness and lack of consideration.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Nov 25, 2019 12:56:35 GMT
So you love these performers so much that you don't want to miss even a second of their bows, but you don't want to show that enthusiasm to the performers by giving them a standing ovation. Yep. That makes sense. You seem hung up on the idea that the only way to demonstrate respect and love for performers is to block the view of people behind. There are other ways, you know. But selfish people won't bother to think of them, and many of them love being seen leaping to their feet. Self-indulgence vs consideration for others.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Nov 24, 2019 16:49:39 GMT
I suppose singing along at a musical is the aural equivalent of a standing ovation--one interferes with other people hearing, the other interferes with other people seeing. Both highly selfish. They really aren't. One is a sign of respect at the end of a show. An equivalent would be someone standing up throughout a show in front of other people (which I have never known to happen). They really are. Standing ovations prevent some people from seeing the cast take their bows. The standing ovations sometimes obscure the finale, too, and there are those people who leap to their feet several times during the show. Both demonstrate selfishishness and lack of consideration.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Nov 24, 2019 11:48:17 GMT
"If you can't sing along at a musical what's wrong with the world." I suppose singing along at a musical is the aural equivalent of a standing ovation--one interferes with other people hearing, the other interferes with other people seeing. Both highly selfish.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Nov 10, 2019 12:27:43 GMT
1. Not sarcasm. 2. Alcohol and anything in a cup or glass or plastic 'glass'. I would be ok with anything in a reusable, hard plastic cup with NO ice! Reusable plastic cups aren't very hygienic but probably the best option we have right now. They can still spill things on other people as people stagger along the row.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Nov 9, 2019 20:02:14 GMT
"could it be considered as dictating to people " yes, and in this instance dictating to people would be a jolly good thing. Is that sarcasm? - and were you talking about alcohol or plastic bottles? 1. Not sarcasm. 2. Alcohol and anything in a cup or glass or plastic 'glass'.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Nov 9, 2019 18:02:24 GMT
Hi! I don't know how you would go about policing it and could it be considered as dictating to people? Much like the plastic bottle ban at the Royal Court. "could it be considered as dictating to people " yes, and in this instance dictating to people would be a jolly good thing.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Nov 2, 2019 9:49:04 GMT
The Royal Conservatoire of Scotland is doing it in Glasgow next spring--and their MT productions are very classy indeed. Cabaret, Street Scene and Sunday in the Park were all knock-outs.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Oct 23, 2019 20:09:20 GMT
The novel makes it quite clear what they signify. They are totems of the awakening of female power in a male dominated world - a power that essentially goes to their head and shows that power corrupts and its not only men that are bastards. Hardly "quite clear", I should have thought. It may have started out somewhat as you describe, but it seems to me to lose its way, with various ideas and suggestions and plot moves colliding with one another. I can't say more than that. I've read it three times and very much wanted to find an interesting line such as you describe, and was disappointed when I couldn't.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Oct 19, 2019 15:37:58 GMT
Rant coming from me at the moment 3 unbelievably rude people sat behind me at the Wicked matinee today. Talking constantly to each other and singing along. Finally snapped and told them to be quiet when they couldn’t even keep their mouths shut during Defying Gravity. Honestly...is it too much to ask for people to have some respect for other people in the audience and the actors on stage?! I’m finding this is becoming more and more of a problem and is really starting to put me off going to the more ‘touristy’ shows where a lot of people don’t seem to grasp how they should behave whilst watching a show. Its sad to say but is it going to get to the point when the pre- show announcement about phones is going to be 5 mins long to cover everything that shouldn’t be done (that most people would consider common sense)! It's why I go to theatre less and less. I wonder whether (a) the practice of having special 'singalong' performances of some things, and (b) the practice of 'relaxed' performances for people with dementia or people with children--whether these practices are seeping into ordinary performances and leading audiences to think that singing along and having kids running about the place and so on are always OK. Oh, and some theatre publicity, especially for juke-box musicals, encourages bad behaviour, too--How often do you see adverts saying, "They were dancing in the aisles!"?
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Post by paulbrownsey on Oct 17, 2019 8:23:30 GMT
There's no need to be impertinent. The show had very little idea about what magic/the devil/witches were supposed to signify. (The Updike novel had the same failing.) A triumphant bit about them flying may have provided what was calculated to be a high spot but it didn't really connect with the trajectory of what was going on in them or the town. The show and the novel had very little idea about what they were “supposed” to signify? That's right.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Oct 16, 2019 8:50:23 GMT
Not earned?! In a show about magic and the devil/“witches” ?! Maybe you didn’t see the flying from your box as you were at a different show? Wasnt there a period where the flying was suspended due to H&S issues? I'm pretty sure the ladies were grounded for a while. It took place the time we were there. The audience reaction made that clear, and I could see wires, and as I recall I could see a bit of lift-off from the stage and, if I bent down, could glimpse the lower part of one or two of them.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Oct 16, 2019 8:48:38 GMT
We had expensive seats in a box at Drury Lane and couldn't see the flying... Was someone giving a standing ovation in front of you? 🙂 No, thank God. No-one was that selfish. I am glad you are coming to recognise how selfish standing ovations are, as blocking the view for the people behind.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Oct 16, 2019 8:47:14 GMT
We had expensive seats in a box at Drury Lane and couldn't see the flying... Also, I'm not sure the flying was earned by the plot. It's not about Living Your Dream and Be The Person You've Dreamed Of and all that. Not earned?! In a show about magic and the devil/“witches” ?! Maybe you didn’t see the flying from your box as you were at a different show? There's no need to be impertinent. The show had very little idea about what magic/the devil/witches were supposed to signify. (The Updike novel had the same failing.) A triumphant bit about them flying may have provided what was calculated to be a high spot but it didn't really connect with the trajectory of what was going on in them or the town.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Oct 16, 2019 8:44:43 GMT
How could you not see the flying? They came right out over the stalls! Because the box was deep at the back of the normal seats and the overhang of the circle above prevented this from being visible.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Oct 15, 2019 12:50:05 GMT
We had expensive seats in a box at Drury Lane and couldn't see the flying...
Also, I'm not sure the flying was earned by the plot. It's not about Living Your Dream and Be The Person You've Dreamed Of and all that.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Oct 9, 2019 15:48:12 GMT
Is it (only) me that sees an increasing no of rude theatre goes who the moment the performance finishes, start to make for the door. Doesn't matter where they sit they want out and you better let them ... it seems increasingly prevalent and just another example of selfish behaviour. Perhaps they have last buses or trains to catch. Half a century ago i used to live on the outskirts of Luton and go to theatre in London. It was often a problem, rushing to catch the last train that stopped at my local station.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Oct 9, 2019 9:00:42 GMT
Do we need a separate thread about people who are too Cr+p to Clap? It's not just rude it goes against the whole Theatre tradition and even the purpose of going to a live event. (I've posted before about a special place in hell for those who move to the aisles as soon as the performance ends as they are too important to file out as they should. In my experience they are always non clappers) I'll start David Mellor Hackney Empire 07 10 2019. (I'm worried that if 'celebrities can get away with such treatment it will become increasingly fashionable) Perhaps some people don't clap because the show wasn't very good.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Oct 8, 2019 8:34:29 GMT
Although some people still seem utterly oblivious of them. Last night at the Criterion the usher had to come & tell a man to remove his drink from the stage. He had placed it right above one of the signs that was mere inches below on the front edge of the stage! Sometimes I really wonder if some people can actually read! They can read, but they have been told at school again and again that they're *special* as part of the goal of instilling huge self-esteem in everyone.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Oct 5, 2019 14:24:14 GMT
Everyone, in everything they do, must be made to think about climate change.
People having sex must be made to think about whether their energy could be harnessed to save the planet.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Oct 5, 2019 14:18:58 GMT
Dog-grooming 'salons' seem particularly prone to silly names.
Near where I live in Glasgow are Pawcasso and Glamour Paws. The latter is particularly irritating, because the name is clearly a play on "glamour puss", and a puss is a cat, not a dog.
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