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Post by anthony40 on May 3, 2021 12:00:02 GMT
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on May 3, 2021 13:08:55 GMT
Such an underrated score too.  |
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 3, 2021 14:01:52 GMT
It is available now for UK amateurs. So there are quite a few stage productions coming.
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Post by anthony40 on May 3, 2021 14:53:53 GMT
The studio cast recording they did a couple of years back is fabulous!
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Post by anthony40 on May 3, 2021 15:15:02 GMT
A little while back (early February last year) I was at the JW3 Centre in North London to see Stephen Schwartz do a talk. He was in London because of the opening of The Prince of Egypt and the subject of Hunchback came up and he mentioned that he was working with Disney on a project regarding this, but that was all he said.
He wanted to say more but had to stop himself as legally, he was unable too.
Bet you the live action remake is what it was about.
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Post by robertb213 on May 3, 2021 15:18:43 GMT
Great news. Love this score.
NYMT are hoping to do a production in Manchester in August this year.
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Post by anthony40 on May 3, 2021 15:26:01 GMT
Given it's current state of disrepair because of the fire, and Covid, I daren't think that they'd film on location.
Either they'll go down the CGI route, or reconstruct the outside facade on a sound stage.
But visually, if this is done right, this could be stunning with views over the city and the Seine, the colours of the stained glass windows and in the topsy-turvy sequence and the falling confetti. Also, as Quasimado swings from a rope as he sings 'Out There', the bells themselves swinging, the fire as if flows over the parapets of the cathedral and when Quasimodo thows Frollo to his death.
It would be interesting to see if Esmeralda's goat, who was cut from the stage show (I believe) makes it to the live re-make.
Also how the three gargoyles are designed.
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on May 3, 2021 20:10:02 GMT
The gargoyles aren't really in the stage version though are they (I've not seen it but my understanding is that the gargoyles as characters were replaced by a chorus of statues)? I hope they don't have any comedic relief gargoyles anyway, they're the worst part of the film and totally destroy the tone. It sounds like all they need to do is adapt the stage show to screen and clean things up a bit and fix a few clunky lyrics but so far the trend with these remakes has been to completely ignore the existence of the stage versions and do any changes to the original from scratch, replacing perfectly fine songs added for stage with completely new inferior ones, presumably to try to get that Best Original Song Oscar.
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Post by notmymuse on May 3, 2021 22:36:13 GMT
I absolutely love the stage show off this. The OCR is also amazing.
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Post by musicalmarge on May 4, 2021 0:21:38 GMT
Such an underrated score too. Underrated by WHOOO? Every west end Wendy I know adores the score not to mention the amazing songs Out There, Someday and God Help The Outcasts known to millions because of Eternal and Better Midler! |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 7:53:15 GMT
The 1999 German production was very dark and gothic, going back to the original book story rather than the Disney film version, they even killed off Esmeralda at the end, But ultimately it was too dark for Disney and that version was never allowed again, though i believe the most recent European version was still advertised as not suitable for kids under 13. The Disney film is hugely under rated. Hellfire/Heavens Light is some of the best tunes from a Disney film.
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Post by danb on May 4, 2021 8:23:42 GMT
The finale came on this morning on my way to work and I’d forgotten how epic it was. It will need to be a massive production to do the music justice.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on May 4, 2021 12:38:09 GMT
Such an underrated score too. Underrated by WHOOO? Every west end Wendy I know adores the score not to mention the amazing songs Out There, Someday and God Help The Outcasts known to millions because of Eternal and Better Midler! I should have prefaced this with other Disney films, it's forgotten about - Mulan and Hercules too are brilliant too. |
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Post by robertb213 on May 4, 2021 14:35:10 GMT
Underrated by WHOOO? Every west end Wendy I know adores the score not to mention the amazing songs Out There, Someday and God Help The Outcasts known to millions because of Eternal and Better Midler! I should have prefaced this with other Disney films, it's forgotten about - Mulan and Hercules too are brilliant too. Completely agree with you. There's the Top Tier of Disney that everyone knows and even non-MT people recognise the songs from (The Lion King, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, Beauty & The Beast), and then there's the next tier down that sometimes get forgotten about but are just as brilliant, and for me Hunchback sits in that, along with Hercules and Mulan. |
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on May 4, 2021 17:10:28 GMT
I should have prefaced this with other Disney films, it's forgotten about - Mulan and Hercules too are brilliant too. Completely agree with you. There's the Top Tier of Disney that everyone knows and even non-MT people recognise the songs from (The Lion King, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, Beauty & The Beast), and then there's the next tier down that sometimes get forgotten about but are just as brilliant, and for me Hunchback sits in that, along with Hercules and Mulan. I think those and Beauty and the Beast are the ones I gravitate towards. And...The Princess and the Frog - although I was drunk when watching it, I just love the whole New Orleans theme 🐸😅 |
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Post by robertb213 on May 4, 2021 18:34:33 GMT
Completely agree with you. There's the Top Tier of Disney that everyone knows and even non-MT people recognise the songs from (The Lion King, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, Beauty & The Beast), and then there's the next tier down that sometimes get forgotten about but are just as brilliant, and for me Hunchback sits in that, along with Hercules and Mulan. I think those and Beauty and the Beast are the ones I gravitate towards. And...The Princess and the Frog - although I was drunk when watching it, I just love the whole New Orleans theme 🐸😅 I love The Princess & The Frog. Anything with a fat crocodile playing a trombone is good in my book. I'll throw Anastasia in the pile as well, some lovely songs in that too. When do we start dream-casting this? Please for once can we get people who can sing without the need for autotune? They'll have to go some way to beat Michael Arden on the cast recording, he's phenomenal. |
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Post by tm on May 4, 2021 20:54:59 GMT
This is great news! One of my favorite Disney movies. And such a great score.
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on May 4, 2021 21:49:11 GMT
They better get a proper bass for Frollo (Patrick Page playing it again would be ideal but I doubt they'd go for a relative unknown in the film world). Also not really relevant but kind of interesting that Michael Arden went from playing Quasimodo who is hard of hearing (or completely deaf? Again I've not seen the show) to directing the Deaf West production of Spring Awakening. Probably just a coincidence but maybe he has some kind of tie to the deaf community somehow.
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Post by robertb213 on May 4, 2021 22:15:14 GMT
They better get a proper bass for Frollo (Patrick Page playing it again would be ideal but I doubt they'd go for a relative unknown in the film world). Also not really relevant but kind of interesting that Michael Arden went from playing Quasimodo who is hard of hearing (or completely deaf? Again I've not seen the show) to directing the Deaf West production of Spring Awakening. Probably just a coincidence but maybe he has some kind of tie to the deaf community somehow. He also started out in Deaf West's production of Big River so has a long association with them. He's also married to Andy Mientus from Smash 😊 Patrick Page would be great. Presumably they'd only need names for Quasi and Esmeralda. |
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on May 5, 2021 8:59:46 GMT
They better get a proper bass for Frollo (Patrick Page playing it again would be ideal but I doubt they'd go for a relative unknown in the film world). Also not really relevant but kind of interesting that Michael Arden went from playing Quasimodo who is hard of hearing (or completely deaf? Again I've not seen the show) to directing the Deaf West production of Spring Awakening. Probably just a coincidence but maybe he has some kind of tie to the deaf community somehow. He also started out in Deaf West's production of Big River so has a long association with them. He's also married to Andy Mientus from Smash 😊 Patrick Page would be great. Presumably they'd only need names for Quasi and Esmeralda. PATRICK PAGE. That's it. Our work is done. |
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Post by robertb213 on May 5, 2021 9:27:12 GMT
Samantha Barks would be a wonderful Esmeralda. She'd be a hot Disney ticket with her upcoming Elsa run in London.
No idea on Quasi though. They need someone age-appropriate, he's only supposed to be 20!
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on May 5, 2021 10:33:50 GMT
I imagine all the Roma characters will be cast with people belonging to that ethnicity to avoid any controversy (especially since I doubt many people could name a single actor belonging to the group - perhaps more than any other instance it would be especially poor to take away the opportunity from this minority group since they are pretty much non-existent in film, especially in leading roles).
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 20:45:11 GMT
I watched the La Jolla Playhouse production last night on YT (very well filmed) with Michael Arden and Patrick Page.
My issue with this version is that there is too much narration. We're told what happens, instead of showing us. That style works with the direction used, with the cast moving benches and railings to show different places, Thankfully no gargoyles.
The score is fantastic though. Made of Stone is a great 11 o'clock number and i really hope it makes it into the live action version.
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Post by anthony40 on Feb 22, 2023 21:48:19 GMT
As I type this i am on a hotel room in Belfast.
Today I walked past the Grand Opera House and rather excitedly (frustrating if truth be told) a semi-professional production of this is being staged from Mar 7- 11 March.
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Post by dan28 on Feb 23, 2023 15:20:44 GMT
I imagine all the Roma characters will be cast with people belonging to that ethnicity to avoid any controversy (especially since I doubt many people could name a single actor belonging to the group - perhaps more than any other instance it would be especially poor to take away the opportunity from this minority group since they are pretty much non-existent in film, especially in leading roles). Roma people are Indian people mixed with caucasian/aryan people. It is a group that often chooses to live a gypsy lifestyle. What they speak is Romani, which is also an Indian-Aryan language. When it comes to casting, they will either look at Indian, mixed or aryan actors if they want to be historically accurate, or at all races when it doesn't matter (fictional character). The group or lifestyle or choices should have nothing to do with casting. Just as it shouldn't be with any other role or project. I think this has the potential to be a wonderful film, if they embrace the music and artform. |
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Post by anxiousoctopus on Feb 23, 2023 16:53:13 GMT
I imagine all the Roma characters will be cast with people belonging to that ethnicity to avoid any controversy (especially since I doubt many people could name a single actor belonging to the group - perhaps more than any other instance it would be especially poor to take away the opportunity from this minority group since they are pretty much non-existent in film, especially in leading roles). Roma people are Indian people mixed with caucasian/aryan people. It is a group that often chooses to live a gypsy lifestyle. What they speak is Romani, which is also an Indian-Aryan language. When it comes to casting, they will either look at Indian, mixed or aryan actors if they want to be historically accurate, or at all races when it doesn't matter (fictional character). The group or lifestyle or choices should have nothing to do with casting. Just as it shouldn't be with any other role or project. I think this has the potential to be a wonderful film, if they embrace the music and artform. There are many people who belong to traveller groups, I’m sure there’s many talented performers who can be found. Europe-wise that could cover Romani, traveller communities and self-named gypsies. The use of the word ‘gypsy’ is a complicated one because it’s widely considered a slur in the USA but in Europe and the UK it seems to depend on the group/individual (Romani, Irish travellers etc.) whether they like the word or not. Also genuinely interested by your use of the word aryan to designate white/non-POC Europeans. I assumed it was seen as a rather dated and loaded term… |
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Post by dan28 on Feb 23, 2023 17:33:45 GMT
There are many people who belong to traveller groups, I’m sure there’s many talented performers who can be found. Europe-wise that could cover Romani, traveller communities and self-named gypsies. The use of the word ‘gypsy’ is a complicated one because it’s widely considered a slur in the USA but in Europe and the UK it seems to depend on the group/individual (Romani, Irish travellers etc.) whether they like the word or not. Also genuinely interested by your use of the word aryan to designate white/non-POC Europeans. I assumed it was seen as a rather dated and loaded term… I think casting has nothing to do with being in a traveller group. That is what acting is for. The business would collapse if we went down that road. In the actual film The Hunchback of the Notre dame it is called "gypsy" and in Victor Hugo's 'The Hunchback of Notre Dame', "gypsies" are a persecuted minority group in 15th century Paris. I think the term in Europe is more common. I also believe it's time and perspective related. There are also films from the 1980's where they say "ladies and gentlemen", a term which some people consider a slur nowadays too. The official, actual world wide used name is Indian-Aryan, which is neutral and based on natural and scientific facts, I don't know about dated or not. Any substitute might raise questions. Personally I find non-poc questionable. As if there is a "default" and "POC". It's also interesting that in many European countries the word "white" doesn't even exist in terms of skin color. The default is people, and there are lighter and darker ones and every person in existence has a certain tint. |
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Post by jj9692 on Feb 23, 2023 19:12:27 GMT
As I type this i am on a hotel room in Belfast. Today I walked past the Grand Opera House and rather excitedly (frustrating if truth be told) a semi-professional production of this is being staged from Mar 7- 11 March. Was meant to say the Belfast Operatic Company were doing this. I'll be watching on 7th March. Has been on my list for years. |
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Post by anthony40 on Feb 23, 2023 20:54:23 GMT
#envy jj9692
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Post by chels on Feb 23, 2023 21:09:45 GMT
Just wanted to interject in terms of casting as someone who actually is Roma, it is an ethnicity and there are ethnic sub groups in that. Some people still travel, some are settled but obviously they're still Romani whether they travel or not. While the original novel, film and musical are questionable with how they handle our culture at best and well...racist at worst, I do enjoy the soundtrack but they definitely should cast actual Roma people to play Roma roles, that's the bare minimum but given how often those roles have been whitewashed my hopes aren't high for that.
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