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Post by dominion99 on Mar 23, 2021 13:56:29 GMT
After two unsuccessful applications to turn it into a hotel, the Saville Theatre on Shaftesbury Avenue, currently the Odeon 1 and 2, has been saved for the nation. Of interest to musical theatre fans for it was home to Gay's The Word (Novello), Expresso Bongo (Heneker/Norman/More), Valmouth (Wilson), Candide (Bernstein) and Anything Goes, Mackintosh's first West End production, that ran there ever so briefly from November 18-29 1969. With a seating capacity 0f 1300, it makes for a wonderful addition to theatreland in London. Of special interest is the main bas-relief frieze depicting drama through the ages, modelled by Gilbert Bayes. Go take a look!
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Post by JJShaw on Mar 23, 2021 14:22:49 GMT
I hope one day it can return to a theatre, gorgeous facade, although its a larger capacity more theatres mean more shows!
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 23, 2021 16:01:14 GMT
Although the name has nothing to do with one of the nastiest people of recent times (and is a different spelling), it is impossible to imagine the original name being retained in any reopening.
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Post by alece10 on Mar 23, 2021 17:52:40 GMT
That thought never entered my mind. I just thought of Saville Row.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 23, 2021 18:23:11 GMT
Savile is one of the most reviled names in the UK. I know there is zero connection but I hear the name of the theatre and I make the link. Perhaps it is just me. But the Savile legacy is so toxic, it is hard to ignore
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Post by TallPaul on Mar 23, 2021 18:33:11 GMT
The biggest beneficiary of a reopened Saville would probably be the Shaftesbury Theatre which, without any close neighbours, never fully feels part of Theatreland. And by being part of the same mini-chain, both would benefit from sharing some of their costs and all of their expertise.
There's just the small matter of the millions it would cost. After all his years in showbiz, Donald Taffner must surely have contacts!
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Post by danb on Mar 23, 2021 19:23:46 GMT
Its a funny one isn’t it? Out there on its island, quite near to stuff but not adjacent...perfectly walkable but grates on you a bit...I’m the same about the Adelphi & Savoy. At least they have a pizza hut and a zizzi.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 19:40:59 GMT
Savile is one of the most reviled names in the UK. I know there is zero connection but I hear the name of the theatre and I make the link. Perhaps it is just me. But the Savile legacy is so toxic, it is hard to ignore Its pronounced Sa-Ville.  |
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 24, 2021 1:44:48 GMT
Changing the name would be necessary and actually a nice problem to have, as it would mean it would be being used for a higher and better use.
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Post by musicalmarge on Mar 24, 2021 12:32:59 GMT
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Post by TallPaul on Nov 4, 2021 10:42:26 GMT
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Post by Mark on Nov 4, 2021 10:52:51 GMT
I've been to it a few times as an Odeon and it's a huge project to turn it back into a theatre. That said, its a fantastic location and I really hope in a couple of years time we may see a West End theatre reborn.
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Post by craig on Nov 4, 2021 11:30:25 GMT
Really enjoyed reading this - I'd always assumed it was a theatre because of the fascinating frieze across the front of the building but had never thought to investigate its history. It would be a wonderful addition to the west end if it becomes a theatre again. |
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Post by danb on Nov 4, 2021 12:52:03 GMT
Changing the name would be necessary and actually a nice problem to have, as it would mean it would be being used for a higher and better use. Would it though? Would it not just highlight the issue more? There must be so many words that could potentially trigger people? Saville Row is still called the same thing. I’m not saying that his victims don’t deserve respect and acknowledgment, I just think that renaming things unrelated is a step too far. |
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Post by inthenose on Nov 4, 2021 13:36:54 GMT
Should the performer Oliver Savile have to change his name? Is it wrongthink to see a show if he's in it?
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Post by barrowside on Nov 4, 2021 19:53:34 GMT
I would like to see it keep it's historic name. It would be a lovely addition to London's collection of Art Deco theatres if it's restored to use. I presume the original interior is lost but I'm sure something lovely could be done to reinstate it.
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Post by Jon on Nov 4, 2021 22:45:35 GMT
I wonder how much of the original theatre still exists inside the Odeon Covent Garden? I assume it was either demolished when they converted into a cinema 50 years ago or it's covered up.
I would imagine Trafalgar Entertainment would end up operating and restoring the theatre as the developers are involved in the Olympia Theatre which Trafalgar are going to be operating in a few years time.
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Post by mkb on Nov 5, 2021 19:11:52 GMT
I'm going to take a contrary view on this. The West End has a plethora of high quality theatres, but not so many big cinema screens. The four-screen Odeon would be a sad loss to the West End if this goes ahead.
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Post by Mark on Nov 5, 2021 19:20:17 GMT
I'm going to take a contrary view on this. The West End has a plethora of high quality theatres, but not so many big cinema screens. The four-screen Odeon would be a sad loss to the West End if this goes ahead. The screens here though are pretty standard size. I’ve been to the Covent Garden odeon maybe 4-5 times this year and aside form Cruella, there was less than 10 people in. |
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Post by mkb on Nov 5, 2021 19:33:39 GMT
Screen 1 has a large, curved, scope screen with masking but no curtains. There is actually space, with the right projector lens, for an even larger screen. I don't have notes on the other three screens but my recollection is that one other is large and two are medium-sized.
My last visit to screen 1 was for an early Sunday evening showing of the Danish film "Another Round" which had a decent turnout of about 30.
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Post by marob on Nov 5, 2021 20:05:28 GMT
I’m sad to see it close. I’ve only ever been there a handful of times, but managed to catch a few films my local Odeon would never show in a million years. I just hope they make it into a modern auditorium, rather than trying to restore it. There’s enough horribly outdated theatres in the West End as it is.
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Post by max on Nov 5, 2021 21:22:08 GMT
Do you think it could work in its current formation as a West End venue offering its former Screens as Fringe/Off-West End spaces? With the loss of the mini studio at the old Trafalgar Studios we could do with some more that give West End esteem to studio scale work - without it having to scale up in a way that isn't viable, or spoils the work artistically.
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Post by danb on Nov 5, 2021 22:06:29 GMT
There are spaces like that if you look hard enough. I wish that the ICA was used more…does it even exist any more? I think a new ‘perfect’ sized W/E house would be more appealing so that everyone isn’t constantly chasing The Adelphi, Phoenix or the Noel Coward in an attempt to at least break even.
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Post by Jon on Nov 5, 2021 23:13:48 GMT
I get the feeling Odeon were willing to let the Covent Garden cinema go given they have plenty of cinemas within that vicinity, it's telling they refurbished the Haymarket venue and turned it into a Luxe cinema which is in a less desirable location and not the Covent Garden venue.
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Post by max on Nov 6, 2021 11:45:35 GMT
I get the feeling Odeon were willing to let the Covent Garden cinema go given they have plenty of cinemas within that vicinity, it's telling they refurbished the Haymarket venue and turned it into a Luxe cinema which is in a less desirable location and not the Covent Garden venue. True, the Haymarket Odeon building is a non descript box, but a few luxury hotels and the bustle of Leicester Square wins it commercially I guess. Probably easier and cheaper to convert that to a Luxe than any work on 'The Saville'. The Prince Edward had most of its life as a cinema until 'Evita' 40 plus years ago, and a lot of traders that end of Soho credited it with reviving the area, so I'm looking forward to what 'The Saville' might bring to the shy end of Shaftesbury Ave. |
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Post by Jon on Nov 6, 2021 11:50:37 GMT
True, the Haymarket Odeon building is a non descript box, but a few luxury hotels and the bustle of Leicester Square wins it commercially I guess. Probably easier and cheaper to convert that to a Luxe than any work on 'The Saville'. The Prince Edward had most of its life as a cinema until 'Evita' 40 plus years ago, and a lot of traders that end of Soho credited it with reviving the area, so I'm looking forward to what 'The Saville' might bring to the shy end of Shaftesbury Ave. That part of Charing Cross Road/Shaftesbury Avenue is going to benefit from the Elizabeth Line opening plus Nimax's new theatre is also opening next year as well. |
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Post by Mark on Nov 6, 2021 12:13:52 GMT
Odeon have the new "Odeon West End" which is also in Leicester Square. 2 screen Luxe. They recently removed the Covent Garden cinema from the "central london" cinemas with the limitless pass. Definitely avoid the Odeon on Tottenham Court Road - horrible cramped seats
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Post by Jon on Nov 6, 2021 12:16:47 GMT
Odeon have the new "Odeon West End" which is also in Leicester Square. 2 screen Luxe. They recently removed the Covent Garden cinema from the "central london" cinemas with the limitless pass. Definitely avoid the Odeon on Tottenham Court Road - horrible cramped seats The Odeon West End replaced the original West End cinema that got demolished to make way for the hotel. Odeon removing Covent Garden from the Central London grouping does indicate that the cinema is likely to close within the next year or two. |
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Post by asfound on Nov 6, 2021 18:02:40 GMT
Shame, I'll also miss it as a cinema. It was a bit ungainly - but it was cheap, warren-like, had good and varied programming, and usually had a decent (although admittedly often small) crowd. Many times as a student I was in the area at a loose end and found something worth seeing at the right time there.
I also agree that it's a shame to lose a cinema to gain a theatre in the West End. The great thing about having a wide range and large number of cinemas in that kind of place is that odds are between them they'll be something to see at almost any time of day. They're an affordable place to spontaneously while away a couple of hours.
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Post by Jon on Nov 6, 2021 23:22:24 GMT
Shame, I'll also miss it as a cinema. It was a bit ungainly - but it was cheap, warren-like, had good and varied programming, and usually had a decent (although admittedly often small) crowd. Many times as a student I was in the area at a loose end and found something worth seeing at the right time there. I also agree that it's a shame to lose a cinema to gain a theatre in the West End. The great thing about having a wide range and large number of cinemas in that kind of place is that odds are between them they'll be something to see at almost any time of day. They're an affordable place to spontaneously while away a couple of hours. TBH I think the Odeon Covent Garden is surplus to requirement and honestly it wouldn't be difficult to add another cinema within that vicinity especially with all the new buildings that are being built due to the Elizabeth Line. |
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