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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 6, 2020 11:21:45 GMT
Thinking the same about the CD. Will give in and buy the single CD if a complete recording won’t happen. I downloaded the soundtrack the day it released -which I loved - the orchestrations and vocals are really well done. (Haven't seen the film yet after all the terrible reviews) am I correct in thinking the soundtrack is different than the film performances? So that would mean they recorded it separate from the film... If so, I would hope they would release the full soundtrack. I'd love to hear the whole score with new orchestrations, full orchestra, etc. and the single CD really skipped some important tracks. What a mess this whole thing turned out to be... I believe the versions in the film have live vocals recorded on set, so yes they are probably different.
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Post by olliebean on Feb 6, 2020 23:32:27 GMT
To be honest, the vocals on the album don't sound studio-recorded to me, so I assumed they were the same on-set-recorded vocals as in the film.
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Post by Deal J on Feb 10, 2020 13:53:00 GMT
So James and Rebel have been at it again at the Oscars ceremony last night: Maybe I’m old fashioned (maybe!?) but I think it’s rather off to publicly mock a project you’ve been heavily involved in.
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Post by crabtree on Feb 10, 2020 14:40:12 GMT
Please let's bury this film, and pretend it never happened. Now where's the 1998 DVD?
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Post by xanady on Feb 10, 2020 20:23:08 GMT
^Agree with Deal J,what is the point of their clever-clever gag?They are already flogging a dead horse so to speak.This ‘joke’ is already dated,unnecessary and worst of all,just boring.Dissing something you were actively part of is a rather strange blame-deflecting tactic.
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 10, 2020 21:17:35 GMT
It is really out of order and a joke considering nothing could've saved either of their dire performances.
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Post by justfran on Feb 10, 2020 21:24:24 GMT
Totally agree with the above posters and if nothing else, it shows a lack of professionalism by being so negative about the film they were happy to take a large sum of money to be involved with. If they want to distance themselves from it then give away their salaries to a good cause and keep quiet!
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 10, 2020 21:34:14 GMT
It's also extremely disrespectful to the people who actually did the effects work who were just creating someone else's terrible idea...
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Post by horton on Feb 11, 2020 23:11:21 GMT
Perhaps the actors feel let down because they were given so many assurances that the film would come to life in post-production. And if their performances seem wildly uneven, once again they have been let down by the director's inability to create a coherent movie.
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Post by ncbears on Feb 11, 2020 23:18:31 GMT
It's also extremely disrespectful to the people who actually did the effects work who were just creating someone else's terrible idea... The Visual Effects Society was not amused. VES Responds "Last night, in presenting the Academy Award for Outstanding Visual Effects, the producers chose to make visual effects the punchline, and suggested that bad VFX were to blame for the poor performance of the movie CATS. The best visual effects in the world will not compensate for a story told badly."
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Post by olliebean on Feb 12, 2020 7:50:29 GMT
Well, that sounds like they're either claiming Cats had the best VFX in the world, which is ridiculous, or just making a poor excuse for half-arsing the VFX.
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Post by crabtree on Feb 12, 2020 8:54:05 GMT
Will they go to the expense of putting this out on DVD?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 11:28:22 GMT
It's funny how it's only the two weak links in the cast, James Corden and Rebel Wilson, that are publicly slagging the film. I don't think the VFX were to blame for their cringe-worthy performances.
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Post by anthem on Feb 12, 2020 15:25:08 GMT
Will they go to the expense of putting this out on DVD? I presume they will; to recoup some more costs. Up to $72m in worldwide box office sales, so quite a bit to go to turn a profit!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 15:29:56 GMT
Will they go to the expense of putting this out on DVD? I presume they will; to recoup some more costs. Up to $72m in worldwide box office sales, so quite a bit to go to turn a profit! Amazon.com has it available on Prime Video from 17th March, and on DVD/Blu-Ray from 7th April.
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Post by The Matthew on Feb 12, 2020 16:04:00 GMT
I don't think the VFX were to blame for their cringe-worthy performances. Or to put it another way, you can't maximise the specular reflectivity of a turd.
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Post by raiseitup on Feb 12, 2020 16:26:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 16:53:06 GMT
Maybe if his studio's VFX were better, it wouldnt have closed?
But i don't feel that the VFX people should be blamed for this. Surely they were only carrying out the designs agreed by Tom Hooper. The studios were all fine with it until the first trailer. That's when the fur hit the fan.
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Post by MrBraithwaite on Feb 13, 2020 8:08:09 GMT
I am always amazed when seemingly sane people like producers, designers, actors and in this case the composer of the show go into this project, must have been shown some sort of concept and VFX tests and then gush about how great and revolutionary it is. Still hearing James Corden and the rest praising it to the skies in the behind-the-scenes video released before the trailer. Money is very powerful...
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Post by crabtree on Feb 14, 2020 17:42:21 GMT
released on DVD/Blu ray on June 1st - what extras I wonder and what corrections and re-editing?
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Post by Someone in a tree on Feb 14, 2020 17:54:30 GMT
Finally watched it this afternoon. Eek. It's terrible. I'm now on tramadol
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Post by djp on Feb 15, 2020 21:08:52 GMT
I am always amazed when seemingly sane people like producers, designers, actors and in this case the composer of the show go into this project, must have been shown some sort of concept and VFX tests and then gush about how great and revolutionary it is. Still hearing James Corden and the rest praising it to the skies in the behind-the-scenes video released before the trailer. Money is very powerful... Depends how they read Les Mis. People who appreciate who can sing well noted that only a couple of names in that were really up to singing it, and some were ghastly or panto. It made money.Cats followed the logic of name casting to the litter tray.
Cat's failure is based not on the poor visual effect people but the belief that if you throw some big names in the people will come regardless. Worse they picked some terrible names , with few exceptions. They then created a story and scenes based on projecting their names - which obviously was going o undermine a musical based on athleticism, ballet , and character- with the character conveyed by very individual make up, the ability to sing the lyric, and the full dance sequences. Faux fur makes everyone look more similar and hides the emotions , but the game was lost before the computer kids started playing.
Its predictable that the characters that worked least well , are the ones blaming it on visual effects, when the bigger problem was their singing, their acting , and whoever was allowing it to go that way.
And the big wonder is that ALW and those who do understand how the musical works, didn't scream no at the name casting stage , if not when the concept was first described to them.
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Post by chernjam on Mar 19, 2020 4:05:11 GMT
OK - so I'm just watching this for the very first time. (Digital release on Apple TV) 1 - I had never been a fan of Cats - (only saw it once, which was enough) - although as an ALW fan, I did enjoy the music 2 - Was not put off by the early trailers and was actually intrigued/curious about it 3 - Most definitely was swayed by the visceral negative reaction to not bother going to see it in the theaters
Now, I don't know if being self-quarantined is getting to me... maybe I have the corona - but honestly I don't get all the negativity about this or see why it tanked. I mean - it's Cats - it's a known thing that was a crazy premise to begin with but was wildly successful. For me, setting the whole thing from Victoria's perspective gave the show a stronger semblance of a story then it had on stage. Singing and orchestrations are awesome (and saddens me that I doubt we'll ever get a full length soundtrack release after it bombed).
As for the CGI - it doesn't seem that awkward to me. I mean is it a bit weird? OK, I'll grant you that. But what did anyone think it would be when you had Cats... singing, dancing, talking about a new Jellicle life? To me, the critics - saw lashing this as a softball for them to smash and see who could out snark the next one (and in some cases I wonder if they even saw it).
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Post by Xanderl on Mar 19, 2020 8:28:25 GMT
Rumours have been circulating of cat buttholes being digitally added and then removed. This appears to be the definitive answer to what happened ...
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Post by olliebean on Mar 19, 2020 12:12:10 GMT
The important phrase there is "as typical with heavy cg shows." Somewhere in Hollywood there's a vault full of inadvertent cg butthole shots.
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Post by horton on Mar 19, 2020 13:32:50 GMT
What would Sidney Poitier have done?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 16:51:29 GMT
Now it's available to stream in the US, i have downloaded it and keen to give it a look this weekend. It can't be THAT bad, can it??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 16:55:42 GMT
OK - so I'm just watching this for the very first time. (Digital release on Apple TV) 1 - I had never been a fan of Cats - (only saw it once, which was enough) - although as an ALW fan, I did enjoy the music 2 - Was not put off by the early trailers and was actually intrigued/curious about it 3 - Most definitely was swayed by the visceral negative reaction to not bother going to see it in the theaters Now, I don't know if being self-quarantined is getting to me... maybe I have the corona - but honestly I don't get all the negativity about this or see why it tanked. I mean - it's Cats - it's a known thing that was a crazy premise to begin with but was wildly successful. For me, setting the whole thing from Victoria's perspective gave the show a stronger semblance of a story then it had on stage. Singing and orchestrations are awesome (and saddens me that I doubt we'll ever get a full length soundtrack release after it bombed). As for the CGI - it doesn't seem that awkward to me. I mean is it a bit weird? OK, I'll grant you that. But what did anyone think it would be when you had Cats... singing, dancing, talking about a new Jellicle life? To me, the critics - saw lashing this as a softball for them to smash and see who could out snark the next one (and in some cases I wonder if they even saw it). Agree! And also gutted re lack of full length soundtrack (I may have mentioned this at the time lol ;-))
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Post by FrontroverPaul on Mar 19, 2020 19:13:30 GMT
We finally saw Cats at the cinema last week thanks to the Odeon's great Silver Cinema showings for people age 55 + ( £3 including coffee/tea + biscuits).
Thoroughly enjoyed it and will be buying the DVD.
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