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Post by kathryn on Oct 5, 2018 22:52:04 GMT
Yes, and we never see her struggling to deal with that aspect of becoming famous herself - she’s essentially saying she couldn’t handle it herself when she sees it happening to him, but all that is forgotten later.
We never even see her dealing with the fallout that her manager describes from the incident. It’s almost as if there’s a scene or two missing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 6:30:06 GMT
There is something about Bradley Cooper that puts me off. He looks like an evil dolphin. However You all make it sound like a film worth watching. However if you want to see a great performance by a woman watch The Wife with Glenn Close. Film performance of the year.
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Post by ellie1981 on Oct 6, 2018 8:22:17 GMT
There is something about Bradley Cooper that puts me off. He looks like an evil dolphin. However You all make it sound like a film worth watching. However if you want to see a great performance by a woman watch The Wife with Glenn Close. Film performance of the year. I loved The Wife. Bradley Cooper always reminded me of a human version of Cyril Sneer - the bad guy from the 80s cartoon The Raccoons. And I think only people between the ages of 33-40 will even get that reference.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 16:20:14 GMT
Well there you go, a weekend in and its already made well over its budget back in box office takings. 😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 22:40:44 GMT
Just watched this. She's sensational. Bradley annoys me greatly (but I already knew that); he's one of those overrated actors everyone seems to love.
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Post by viserys on Oct 8, 2018 18:05:13 GMT
I just got back from seeing this. I would agree with the other posters that the first hour is by far the best part - after that I started checking my watch every so often. The leap from budding newcomer to grammy-nominated pop princess came too fast for me and I also didn't like that Gaga's Ally changed from a fairly natural-looking young singer to this super-glammed up look, practising dance routines and so on, I'd rather see her stick with a country music trajectory or something. But I suppose the "pop princess" à la Beyoncé (and indeed Lady Gaga herself) is currently the best a female performer can aspire to.
Always been a fan of her and I thought she was terrific and worth seeing this for. Cooper was okay as an actor for me, but as a director I would like to see him hung, drawn and quartered for over-use of the shaky handheld camera. It doesn't lend "authenticity" or "edginess" to a movie as directors seem to believe, it just gives me a headache.
Figures that the only one I recognized apart from the two leads was the kid from Hamilton.
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Post by kiwi on Oct 9, 2018 6:25:38 GMT
Saw this last night. The best parts were the songs. Lady Gaga radiates when shes performing.
The story was alright. just felt like a lot was missing especially in regards to lady gagas character changing so much after saying earlier she wouldnt.
Overall it was highly enjoyable though.
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Post by Marcus on Oct 9, 2018 7:20:59 GMT
Saw this at the weekend as well, can only really echo what everyone else said.
I thought that she was going to have some sort of epiphany during the SNL performance and start seeing a 'deep and meaningful' song. It felt bizarre that they had set her up to be a serious performer then it changed to just a normal pop princess. Lady Gaga was brilliant obviously.
When Bradley's character does what he does at the end the audience actually gasped. I wanted to shout 'did you not see that coming a mile off?!'
It was shot beautifully as well though, made it very compelling to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 8:55:46 GMT
When Bradley's character does what he does at the end the audience actually gasped. I wanted to shout 'did you not see that coming a mile off?!' It was shot beautifully as well though, made it very compelling to watch. In fact, at the beginning of the movie, when he's driving around the city looking for a bar, you see a clue: there's like a big banner on a building with ropes in it
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Post by showgirl on Oct 9, 2018 15:54:26 GMT
I enjoyed it for what it was, ie inevitably very Hollywood hokum. However, in some ways I preferred the film I saw immediately afterwards (Private Life), which was un-showy and talky and took its time creating credible, rounded, sympathetic characters and left the end open. No, I am not comparing like with like and A Star Is Born does indeed deliver exactly what you'd expect and is undeniably great entertainment.
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Post by poster J on Oct 9, 2018 22:12:56 GMT
Just saw this - Lady Gaga is mesmerising, what a performance both in terms of acting and singing. The film would be nothing much without her.
Bradley Cooper played a slightly darker/more troubled version of characters he's played a million times before - he was fine. Didn't think much of a lot of his direction though, especially in the first 15-20 minutes - all those closeups were just a bit too close. Great work in the last 10 minutes though, and especially that closing shot.
Have to say I didn't think it dragged at all, barely checked my watch. I agree it's a shame Ally basically had to become a bubblegum pop star to make it, but at least there were still some songs with proper heart and showing her talent. Pretty decent film overall, elevated considerably by Lady Gaga's performance.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 14, 2018 15:25:33 GMT
Saw it yesterday. She was very good (for god’s sake don’t let Madonna see it, she’ll go mad) but the idea that some slightly grungy Joni Mitchell type would immediately sell out like that seemed rather far fetched, not least because she is too old to be sent down that particular route. The songs in the first half were good, the rest very meh and that big one she sang at the very end... sorry but she didn’t pull that off. You need a Whitney type for that sort of number and as talented as LG is, she’s not got that sort of voice. In fact that song seemed totally at odds, style-wise, from everything else in the film.
I thought the drag scenes were unnecessary and forced, maybe a cynical ruse to pull the gays in, but not necessary because they’ll be going anyway. Willam was wooden AF.
I thought Bradley Cooper was lovely in it. Very sad and vulnerable. And for a directorial debut there were some really great moments. I don’t think it’s the five star film that people are saying it is though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 15:52:38 GMT
I saw it a couple of days ago, I thought it was amazing. And that is mainly because of the performances of the two leads. Both of them were fabulous. I'd actually argue I thought Bradley gave a stronger perforformance, but that is not to take anything from Lady Gaga who is also incredible. It's no surprise to me at all both are creating strong buzz for the acting Oscars and I wouldnt be surprised to see either or both win. For a directorial debut too, its quite impressive for a first time director to pull off a film like this, as well as to act in it as one of the leads. I suspect Bradley will also be a strong contender for Director too. Whilst I have a sentimental bias to Glenn winning, I'd love to see Gaga win. But if only one of them could win, I'd rather it be Bradley, because it's a fantastic performance and he should of won for Silver Linings in my opinion. I'd give it a 4.5 out of 5 stars for me, with two amazing performances and fantastic directorial debut.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 17:59:46 GMT
I agree with what others have said, the pacing was all over the place and there was no sense of how long this all took place. Ally going from serious performer to manufactured pop star made no sense. It's also at least 20 mins too long.
At the end many of the women around me were sobbing.
My favourite part was the nod to Judy Garland when she sang the intro to 'Somewhere Over The Rainbow' A nice directorial debut, but not deserving of all the praise it's received.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 20:35:58 GMT
There was a review in Sight and Sound - Gaga fans look away! - which said that Lady Gaga can certainly hold a note but that the problem was that she was reluctant to let go of it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 4:23:39 GMT
I hope Lady Gaga gets an Oscar nom for this. Saw yesterday her acting was good as was her singing. Bradley was fine. I hope the script isn't the same as the original one . If it is then nothing much has changed
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Post by indis on Oct 21, 2018 12:45:09 GMT
i loved it, a little bit too long at the end though. {Spoiler - click to view} And why did he commit suicide just because of one bad word from her manager? he was on a good way until then 🤔🤷🏻♀️
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 21, 2018 13:41:06 GMT
Just a reminder that this is a new release, many people haven’t seen it yet and may not be familiar with earlier versions. Please use spoiler tags if you want to mention significant plot points. Thanks.
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Post by WireHangers on Oct 21, 2018 14:14:10 GMT
I suspect Bradley will be nominated, and may very well win, the Oscar for Best Actor. I think Sam Elliot will be a dark horse and get a nom for Best Supporting Actor because small as his role is his performance really stayed with me afterwards and I was surprised by how truly touched I was by him. Bradley will get a nom for Best Director and Gaga will win an Oscar for Best Original Song.
Now for the controversial part: I don't think Gaga will be nominated as Best Actress. While her performance was flawless and captivating there wasn't enough to give her that gut punching role. We never really saw her lose herself in Ally's emotions. This isn't Gaga's fault at all and I think she gave the best possible performance with the material she was given but there were some key moments that would have made her role Oscar worthy that just weren't given to her ie. Judy's breakdown scene in the dressing room. Without a doubt she'll win a Golden Globe and as I've said she'll be given the Oscar for Best Original Song but this year's Oscar belongs to Glenn Close.
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Post by showgirl on Oct 21, 2018 14:41:01 GMT
Columnist Emily Sheffield complained in Friday's Evening Standard that she had walked out of this but not a hint did she give of the reason for her dissatisfaction, so it's a mystery. Having enjoyed this and hated First Man, I'd have understood had she given up on the latter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 14:56:57 GMT
I think, after seeing the film, it will likely get nominations for:
Best Picture Best Actor Best Actress Best Supporting Actor Best Director Best Adapted Screenplay Best Original Score Best Original Song (2 Nominations) Best Cinematography Best Film Editing Best Sound Mixing Best Sound Editing
I think either way, Gaga and Cooper are winning an Oscar. If not Actor, he will win Director, and if not Actress, she will win Original Song.
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Post by poster J on Oct 21, 2018 15:24:28 GMT
It would be a travesty if Cooper won Best Director for this, the direction for the first 15 mins is all over the place.
Best Director should go to Barry Jenkins again - If Beale Street Could Talk shows how a film should be directed.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 21, 2018 16:04:44 GMT
It should win Best Original Song for Shallow though. I was at best ambivalent towards Gaga before the film, but that song is astonishing, it gave me chills
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Post by poster J on Oct 21, 2018 17:52:10 GMT
It should win Best Original Song for Shallow though. I was at best ambivalent towards Gaga before the film, but that song is astonishing, it gave me chills Oh absolutely, it would be ridiculous if it doesn't win Original Song, though I suspect Mary Poppins Returns will try to spoil the party. I wouldn't be surprised if Original Song and Score are the only categories it wins though, and Score is not even guaranteed as there are some other good ones out there.
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Post by ellie1981 on Oct 21, 2018 17:57:27 GMT
No, I wouldn’t be surprised if it cleaned up. The Academy are desperate to have a populist film sweep the ceremony due to the load of recent Best Picture winners with low box office scores and the constant (IMO unfounded) criticism that they’re elitist. Lady Gaga really doesn’t deserve a nomination however as I’ve just come back from seeing the main contenders at the LFF and can easily pick out about 8 performances (even discounting Glenn Close) far more deserving and accomplished.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 21, 2018 18:06:52 GMT
It should win Best Original Song for Shallow though. I was at best ambivalent towards Gaga before the film, but that song is astonishing, it gave me chills “At best ambivalent” sums it up for me too but I’m getting over myself and I agree that she can act and that it’s a beautiful song. BUT don’t you think she sounds like Bette Midler? And don’t you think Bette Midler would sound f***ing amazing singing that song?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 21, 2018 19:10:06 GMT
It should win Best Original Song for Shallow though. I was at best ambivalent towards Gaga before the film, but that song is astonishing, it gave me chills “At best ambivalent” sums it up for me too but I’m getting over myself and I agree that she can act and that it’s a beautiful song. BUT don’t you think she sounds like Bette Midler? And don’t you think Bette Midler would sound f***ing amazing singing that song? It’s a bit too much like Bad Romance too. #reductive
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 20:13:52 GMT
I think, after seeing the film, it will likely get nominations for: Best Picture Best Actor Best Actress Best Supporting Actor Best Director Best Adapted Screenplay Best Original Score Best Original Song (2 Nominations) Best Cinematography Best Film Editing Best Sound Mixing Best Sound Editing I think either way, Gaga and Cooper are winning an Oscar. If not Actor, he will win Director, and if not Actress, she will win Original Song. Best score? Does it even have one? Sound editing is also pretty unlikely. Never happens for musicals except La La Land but I think they've learned their lesson with going too OTT over one film with that.
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Post by Backdrifter on Oct 22, 2018 10:42:48 GMT
the idea that some slightly grungy Joni Mitchell type would immediately sell out like that seemed rather far fetched Ha ha ha ha! That's now put into my head the wonderful notion that Joni Mitchell started off walking across tables and chair-straddling punters while singing La Vie en Rose in drag bars. I thoroughly enjoyed this. Bit of a LG fan anyway, and was neutral on Cooper but he's gone up in my estimation from this. I do agree with some of the caveats others have stated - the timeline isn't clear, and Ally does seem to capitulate easily but then that's not beyond comprehension. I too was a bit puzzled by the early bar-room brawl scene that flared up out of nowhere and was never referenced again. Perhaps a rather clumsy device for showing what a tough cookie she is, and how he is deep-down very caring (peas etc)? But none of the blips stopped the 2 hrs 15 mins whizzing by. Yes, it's a much stronger 1st act with the 2nd and 3rd sagging a bit but still all very entertaining. She looks great at the start, really beautiful. Lovely top lip. A big plus mark is its depiction of rock gigs, something that has routinely been cringingly badly shown in films over the years. The opening scene in particular is excellent in this regard. Re the earlier comment about the (manager's/publicist's?) accent, there is that weird thing that happens sometimes when English people are in US films, that they somehow make their own accent sound unconvincing. The spoilers discussion earlier in this thread was interesting. There is an ingrained statute-of-limitations assumption, made by some here, that certain films/stories etc can't by now possibly be spoilered. But they can. So it's lucky I didn't read this thread before seeing the film, as I was a complete ASIB virgin. I just hope my "peas etc" above isn't too much of a spoiler for others.
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Post by frontrowcentre on Oct 22, 2018 10:56:15 GMT
Gaga does an incredible job here, she is actually a very good actress however it's true that her character lacks an Oscar winning moment apart for maybe the last song. She will however be nominated specially when the Academy are so desperate to increase viewers ratings of the broadcast
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