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Post by adolphus on Oct 5, 2018 0:39:54 GMT
Hmm, not a fan. The Judy Garland version is so much better. Gaga is fine, but the film seriously drags in the final half and I thought it peaked too soon with the songs. They just seemed to get worse. Agree. The power ballad at the end is woeful and is everything Cooper warned Gaga about earlier.
Gaga is engaging in the first half, much less interesting and natural in the second but that's how the character is written.
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Post by Marwood on Oct 5, 2018 9:40:34 GMT
The post in question was posted two months ago - but can people at least try to warn people if they are going to put spoilers in their post (and big ones at that) I had been thinking of going to see this tomorrow, but as it seems the ending has been given away, don't think I will bother now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 9:43:42 GMT
The post in question was posted two months ago - but can people at least try to warn people if they are going to put spoilers in their post (and big ones at that) I had been thinking of going to see this tomorrow, but as it seems the ending has been given away, don't think I will bother now. You should still see it. This is the fourth remake of the film so there will be plenty of people going in to it knowing the ending and enjoying it anyway.
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Post by karloscar on Oct 5, 2018 10:08:40 GMT
The story has been retold so many times that it can't possibly have spoilers unless they change the whole plot. It'd be like complaining that someone disclosed the plot of Cinderella.
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Post by Marwood on Oct 5, 2018 10:12:11 GMT
I've never seen any of the other versions, mainly because I can't stand Judy Garland or Barbra Streisand (making a mental note to steer clear of the Musicals section of this forum for a while in case of attacks from outraged Friends of Dorothy and Yentl fans)
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Post by karloscar on Oct 5, 2018 10:21:53 GMT
Try Janet Gaynor then. No songs with her version. The point is the plot is fairly basic and known to just about everyone with any interest in cinema. {Spoiler - click to view} Fading star with alcohol problems discovers new talent, they fall in love, she surpasses his success, he can't handle it and tops himself, she makes a comeback for her loving fans in the final scene paying tribute to him. It doesn't stop anyone enjoying the film to know the outcome as it's as predictable as Titanic.
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Post by ellie1981 on Oct 5, 2018 11:13:38 GMT
I must say the only other one I’ve seen is the Garland one and I did know the plot before seeing it. It was just one of those things that I thought people knew. I’m not sure where I first heard about it other than my parents playing the soundtrack to the 70s version.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 5, 2018 11:30:30 GMT
Try Janet Gaynor then. No songs with her version. The point is the plot is fairly basic and known to just about everyone with any interest in cinema. {Spoiler - click to view} Fading star with alcohol problems discovers new talent, they fall in love, she surpasses his success, he can't handle it and tops himself, she makes a comeback for her loving fans in the final scene paying tribute to him. It doesn't stop anyone enjoying the film to know the outcome as it's as predictable as Titanic. I’ve added the spoilers for you. There are many people on the forum who weren’t born when the Streisand version was released. I’m sure we can reference the plot in our discussion here without stating every major event in the story plus the ending as you have done above. People who already know it don’t need you tell them, people who don’t know it don’t want you to tell them.
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Post by lynette on Oct 5, 2018 13:17:21 GMT
Streisand who?
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Post by TallPaul on Oct 5, 2018 13:42:18 GMT
Dare you to say that within earshot of Tibidabo, especially after she's spent three hours unsuccessfully trying to book tickets for the Royal Court!!!
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Post by Tibidabo on Oct 5, 2018 13:45:22 GMT
Dare you to say that within earshot of Tibidabo , especially after she's spent three hours unsuccessfully trying to book tickets for the Royal Court!!! I've since moved on to trying to get a doctor's appointment...🤯 But seeing as you've mentioned it. Please be nice to Barbra everyone. There.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 15:02:24 GMT
Try Janet Gaynor then. No songs with her version. The point is the plot is fairly basic and known to just about everyone with any interest in cinema. {Spoiler - click to view} Fading star with alcohol problems discovers new talent, they fall in love, she surpasses his success, he can't handle it and tops himself, she makes a comeback for her loving fans in the final scene paying tribute to him. It doesn't stop anyone enjoying the film to know the outcome as it's as predictable as Titanic. Thanks for this spoiler! I wasn’t going to see this but now I want to see how they get the story to that climax.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 15:10:30 GMT
Try Janet Gaynor then. No songs with her version. The point is the plot is fairly basic and known to just about everyone with any interest in cinema. {Spoiler - click to view} Fading star with alcohol problems discovers new talent, they fall in love, she surpasses his success, he can't handle it and tops himself, she makes a comeback for her loving fans in the final scene paying tribute to him. It doesn't stop anyone enjoying the film to know the outcome as it's as predictable as Titanic. Well damn. That plot was not what I expected! I hope it's better than La La Land, which I liked but is vastly overrated. This however looks amazing so I hope it matches or tops the success that La La Land faced.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 15:19:33 GMT
Try Janet Gaynor then. No songs with her version. The point is the plot is fairly basic and known to just about everyone with any interest in cinema. {Spoiler - click to view} Fading star with alcohol problems discovers new talent, they fall in love, she surpasses his success, he can't handle it and tops himself, she makes a comeback for her loving fans in the final scene paying tribute to him. It doesn't stop anyone enjoying the film to know the outcome as it's as predictable as Titanic. Well damn. That plot was not what I expected! I hope it's better than La La Land, which I liked but is vastly overrated. This however looks amazing so I hope it matches or tops the success that La La Land faced. It really has nothing in common with La La Land, other than being a romance. This isn't even really a musical since they don't sing out of nowhere, it's only ever when writing/recording/performing songs as recording artists. I personally think La La Land is better although most people will probably prefer this since it's more dramatic and the singing is stronger. But even with all that happens in the plot, none of it got me as emotional as the final scene of La La Land. And I was team Moonlight. Quite frankly very few films (including La La Land) deserve the amount of success that that film got. Including this one. And if it gets it suddenly everyone will find this film vastly overrated and a backlash will emerge too. C'est la vie.
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Post by profquatermass on Oct 5, 2018 15:26:19 GMT
Having seen all the other versions, I found it fascinating to see what characters and scenes are common to all - the heroine's supportive best friend, the bitchy publicist, the awards ceremony, 'do you mind if I take one more look' etc etc. I'm pretty amazed that people don't know the plot but then I recently saw Hamlet with friends who had no idea what was going to happen so what do I know?
One comment - I thought the bitchy publicist had a terrible British accent but on checking I find he's from Hendon!
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Post by Jon on Oct 5, 2018 15:28:07 GMT
I'm surprised people haven't heard of A Star is Born in any of its guises, it's a story as old as Hollywood itself.
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Post by ellie1981 on Oct 5, 2018 15:31:16 GMT
One comment - I thought the bitchy publicist had a terrible British accent but on checking I find he's from Hendon! He seemed like a pound shop Orlando Bloom to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 15:38:46 GMT
I'm surprised people haven't heard of A Star is Born in any of its guises, it's a story as old as Hollywood itself. I know of it because of the obvious films, but I've never seen it or don't know the story. It's like when The Girls was in London, I was apparently one of the rare people who didn't know the story, so when I told everyone not to put spoilers, I got backlash for it. People may not know these stories haha.
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Post by profquatermass on Oct 5, 2018 15:41:14 GMT
I've never even heard of The Girls ...
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Post by ellie1981 on Oct 5, 2018 15:54:37 GMT
No spoilers for Jesus Christ Superstar please. Never got around to seeing it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 18:50:05 GMT
Is Shangela any good? I always thought she would be the most likely to cross-over.
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Post by shady23 on Oct 5, 2018 19:42:05 GMT
Well, I loved it.
You forget how good Gaga's voice is. I could quite happily listen to her singing the phone book all day long.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 20:04:21 GMT
The song "Shallow", by Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga, has hit the UK Charts at #13. Gaga's highest charting single in two years and will no doubt climb higher with the new release of the film. It's a great song so really happy with this!
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Post by jampot on Oct 5, 2018 20:47:45 GMT
Saw this this eve..Oscars alert! Lady G is excellent in all depts....But I feel that Cooper is the star that really shines through...Acting and importantly direction is top notch. First half is stunning..Drifts down a little as gaga returns to her normal self stlye wise...But this really is an unmissble debut for Cooper in a directional role...
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Post by kathryn on Oct 5, 2018 21:37:08 GMT
First third is raw and exciting and a bit of a revelation - it becomes considerably less interesting once the pop star ‘transformation’ happens. I bought the love story - just - I didn’t buy the music industry stuff. Enjoyed it, though. Features an adorable doggy!
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Post by Being Alive on Oct 5, 2018 21:39:13 GMT
I’m in the ‘I loved it’ camp too
Oscar noms for sure. Thought Gaga was absolutely superb - it’s sort of annoying because it proves she literally can do everything - but also it was the first time I’ve watched Bradley Cooper and gone ‘you really are an excellent actor’. Thought his direction was all fantastic.
My first introduction to A Star Is Born and I was a mess at the end.
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Post by ellie1981 on Oct 5, 2018 21:59:59 GMT
First third is raw and exciting and a bit of a revelation - it becomes considerably less interesting once the pop star ‘transformation’ happens. I bought the love story - just - I didn’t buy the music industry stuff. Enjoyed it, though. Features an adorable doggy! The pacing a structure was all off, I just started getting bored an hour into it. The character is all about being “real and true” in the songwriting, but apart from refusing to dye her hair blonde (then changing it to another colour instead), she then seemingly overnight transforms into a fluffy pop princess with little substance at all. Apparently something was said to say it happened over the course of four years, but the sense of time made it seem like it all happened within one year. There didn’t seem to be any time for that kind of story telling, yet there was time for about an extra half hour of performance after performance.
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Post by ctas on Oct 5, 2018 22:08:16 GMT
Watched this for a second time tonight (I was lucky enough to be at the UK premiere but felt pressure to Be Cool and not sob my way through) and I just really love this film. The cinematography is beautiful, the music and love story hit all the right emotional notes for me AND there's the cutest dog in it. I'll probably go a third time soon enough!
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Post by kathryn on Oct 5, 2018 22:09:05 GMT
First third is raw and exciting and a bit of a revelation - it becomes considerably less interesting once the pop star ‘transformation’ happens. I bought the love story - just - I didn’t buy the music industry stuff. Enjoyed it, though. Features an adorable doggy! The pacing a structure was all off, I just started getting bored an hour into it. The character is all about being “real and true” in the songwriting, but apart from refusing to dye her hair blonde (then changing it to another colour instead), she then seemingly overnight transforms into a fluffy pop princess with little substance at all. Apparently something was said to say it happened over the course of four years, but the sense of time made it seem like it all happened within one year. There didn’t seem to be any time for that kind of story telling, yet there was time for about an extra half hour of performance after performance. Yeah. I get that ‘A Star is Born’ is, in essence, about that process, but I would have preferred to have had her experience some inner conflict about it. She has none, which is curious, as it makes her oddly passive as a character.
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Post by ellie1981 on Oct 5, 2018 22:43:53 GMT
I also didn’t quite get the scene where she punched the guy in the bar. It was like that aggression came out of nowhere and that side of her personality was never revisited again.
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