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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 20:44:06 GMT
On Broadway, when shows don't convert nominations into Tony Awards they quickly announce closure. Do we think the clock is now ticking for both Half A Sixpence and The Girls?
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Post by theatremadness on Apr 9, 2017 20:48:23 GMT
On Broadway, when shows don't convert nominations into Tony Awards they quickly announce closure. Do we think the clock is now ticking for both Half A Sixpence and The Girls? Well Half A Sixpence can already be considered a success, really. It was only ever a limited run, which has now extended at least twice? Or maybe just twice? I think, anyway. It's currently booking until September, so it will probably close then, when it'll have played for just under a year. Pretty good for an initial limited run, though I'm sure there will be some who will try to promote its failure! I'd be surprised to see it close before then (a Mackintosh show in a Mackintosh theatre), but anything can happen. And it would fuel the fire of the nay-sayers even more so! As for The Girls, well, who's to say! But as many will say, the Olivier's don't seem to be held in the same esteem by audiences in the West End as the Tony's do on Broadway, so I don't particularly (personally) see award failure or success translate to the shows than won or lost. |
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Post by Honoured Guest on Apr 9, 2017 20:51:34 GMT
On Broadway, when shows don't convert nominations into Tony Awards they quickly announce closure. Do we think the clock is now ticking for both Half A Sixpence and The Girls? Obviously they won't get a boost from winning. although The Girls will get publicity from the opening song on ITV. But, from the general public's point of view, the other big musicals ( An American in Paris, 42nd St. and the long-runners) didn't even get a mention. They won't understand the eligibility rules. So, I don't think there's been any negative effect on either The Threepenny Musical or Les Girls. |
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Post by couldileaveyou on Apr 9, 2017 20:51:39 GMT
They won't last for long, Half a Sixpence will close by Autumn, but not winning Oliviers is not the reason. I don't think the Oliviers have any selling power tbh.
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Post by LaLuPone on Apr 9, 2017 20:52:50 GMT
On Broadway, when shows don't convert nominations into Tony Awards they quickly announce closure. Do we think the clock is now ticking for both Half A Sixpence and The Girls? Wicked only won three Tony awards - Idina for Best Actress and was it Best Set Design or Sound Design and Best Costume Design? Anyway it won three awards, only one big award, and look at it now! And not a single Olivier if I'm not mistaken! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 20:53:26 GMT
An American in Paris did get a mention when the stars presented one of the dance awards.
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Post by indis on Apr 9, 2017 20:54:41 GMT
as if i cared if a show has a Tony or an Olivier while bookin - never looked for that for booking reasons, i don't give a damn about critis too,
i watch what i want - award or not - an award does not fill a seat in the theatre
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 20:59:50 GMT
I'm not sure why people in this thread are denying the influence of the Tonys.
Shows like A Gentleman's Guide to Love and Murder and Fun Home went from struggling at the box office to being sold out hits after winning Best Musical.
Shows like Tuck Everlasting and American Psycho announced closing soon after failing to receive substantial nominations.
Of course there are exceptions, there are some shows that are destined to do well no matter what. But the impact of the Tonys cannot be underestimated. The Oliviers don't seem to have the same influence.
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Post by alece10 on Apr 9, 2017 21:18:43 GMT
I don't think winning an Olivier necessarily means a boost in ticket sales. Plenty of musicals have won before and still closed soon after and some have closed even before they won.
Look at Les Mis. It didn't win and yet it's still here.
Harry Potter doesn't need the publicity or Kudos of the wins and I think the vast majority of people unless they are theatre fans have no idea what an Olivier is anyway.
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Post by daniel on Apr 9, 2017 21:28:55 GMT
On Broadway, when shows don't convert nominations into Tony Awards they quickly announce closure. Do we think the clock is now ticking for both Half A Sixpence and The Girls? Wicked only won three Tony awards - Idina for Best Actress and was it Best Set Design or Sound Design and Best Costume Design? Anyway it won three awards, only one big award, and look at it now! And not a single Olivier if I'm not mistaken! Dont forget Wicked's victories in the highly-esteemed Oliviers Audience Award  |
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Post by Phantom of London on Apr 10, 2017 0:22:56 GMT
Doesn't Half A Sixpence have the most important factor to set the box office on fire and that is the all important beginning with Ha.
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Post by wickedginger on Apr 10, 2017 11:36:13 GMT
I think the general public will make The Girls a success! The Gary Barlow name and the success from The Calendar Girls film should see it lasting.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 10, 2017 11:42:08 GMT
Roll the damned thing out on tour and take it to its target audience. You're not going to get all of those ladies of a certain age trogging down to that there London at those prices to see this so take the mountain to Mohammed.
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Post by distantcousin on Apr 10, 2017 12:29:34 GMT
I think the American obsession with awards is ridiculous.
Obsessive meritocracy culture...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 12:41:11 GMT
Sunny Afternoon winning best new musical didn't increase box office takings...
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Post by ali973 on Apr 10, 2017 18:28:49 GMT
Hardly. Oliviers and opening night press reviews mean nothing in London (which is good, I think..the audience really gets to chose). Though on Broadway, these two, especially the New York Times, gets to decide the fate of a show.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 21:22:13 GMT
Hardly. Oliviers and opening night press reviews mean nothing in London (which is good, I think..the audience really gets to chose). Though on Broadway, these two, especially the New York Times, gets to decide the fate of a show. Does it though? Back in Frank Rich's day, maybe. He was known as the Butcher of Broadway because of his influence on whether a show closed or ran, but these days I don't think any critic has that power. Yes the Times review is still well regarded but it doesn't have the power it did. There are so many other places these days to find an opinion about a show. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 21:26:40 GMT
I'm slightly in love with what the Broadway production of Amélie decided to do recently. Ben Brantley gave it a mixed-to-negative review in the NYT so they bought a full page ad and printed the recently-fired from NYT Charles Isherwood's rave review from his new website:
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Post by mallardo on Apr 11, 2017 2:25:06 GMT
Wow!! I hadn't seen that. What a ballsy move by the producers. Love it.
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