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Post by alessia on Oct 18, 2023 11:44:02 GMT
Got pre-sale link from Love Theatre into my Junk Mail. Just to be on the safe side booked row D for 86.50 for the very first preview as the only chance to visit during the upcoming trip. On ATG, all I saw in stalls row D were package seats at £130 for the first preview. Were these in the four end seats or row D or central? I booked a seat right next to those super pricey ones, and it was £75 full price (but for 31 January)
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Post by barelyathletic on Oct 18, 2023 11:49:38 GMT
Presale email finally came through but... at those prices (and in the awful Harold Pinter) I think I'll give this a miss for now. Hopefully those front three rows will go on offer at some point nearer it opening.
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Post by mrnutz on Oct 18, 2023 11:51:02 GMT
What a shambles that was - I nearly booked through the LoveTheatre link and luckily hadn't pressed to buy as then the ATG email came through and the prices were lower!
Booked for a preview Sat matinee, Row K, £75.
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Post by mkb on Oct 18, 2023 12:06:14 GMT
Presale email finally came through but... at those prices (and in the awful Harold Pinter) I think I'll give this a miss for now. Hopefully those front three rows will go on offer at some point nearer it opening. Lyonese, also at the Pinter, has only recently put the front rows on sale, and they are priced dynamically at silly prices, so I expect that will happen for this one too.
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Post by rumbledoll on Oct 18, 2023 12:33:20 GMT
Got pre-sale link from Love Theatre into my Junk Mail. Just to be on the safe side booked row D for 86.50 for the very first preview as the only chance to visit during the upcoming trip. On ATG, all I saw in stalls row D were package seats at £130 for the first preview. Were these in the four end seats of row D (sold out now) or the central £130 ones inbetween? I booked Stalls D20 on the side (three seats from the aisle) and the rest in Row D on my date were unavailable (gone in ATG+ presale, I suppose).
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Post by happysooz2 on Oct 18, 2023 13:34:30 GMT
My FOMO has kicked in and I have booked front row dress circle (£95) for an early preview of this.
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Post by l0islane on Oct 18, 2023 14:31:57 GMT
Just to say if you're an ATG member there's no need to wait for presale email links, they post all the links in the ATG+ Facebook group now as soon as they go onsale.
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Post by jaggy on Oct 18, 2023 21:51:16 GMT
Has anyone noticed with ATG that they seem to withhold certain seats? Idk if it only applies to the Pinter but I've noticed that specific seats (one in particular that I've found to be cheap and a great view) seem to always not be on sale. I don't believe that they sell as it'll be the same ones when the rest of the seats on that level are mostly available. They then sometimes randomly become available as was the case with A Little Life.
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Post by keyspi on Oct 18, 2023 22:38:35 GMT
Aren't presale tickets meant to be cheaper than general sale ones? How come cheapest option via LoveTheatre is £17.50; via ATG+ is £15 and yet once tickets go on general sale the cheapest option will be £10 (£13.80 with fees) 🤔 Hardly any incentive to be an early bird there unless you really want to snap up a specific seat
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Post by Marwood on Oct 19, 2023 6:55:17 GMT
As I am currently in Las Vegas, I had no intention of sitting up until 2 in the morning to see how much tickets are and what the availability was but I still managed to get a seat in row E of the stalls for £75 on the first Saturday evening - not an amazing seat according to Theatremonkey but I didn’t want to pay a fortune: hopefully not too long to find out who is in it.
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Post by alessia on Nov 17, 2023 10:51:03 GMT
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Post by nash16 on Nov 17, 2023 13:31:56 GMT
Laura Donnelly 😂 As we all predicted.
First The Ferryman, now this.
It’s like when Gillian Anderson got Peter Morgan to write and get her cast as Maggie Thatcher.
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Post by nash16 on Nov 17, 2023 13:33:04 GMT
Harry for the win. That’s random. Just because she’s with the writer? Mark my words she’ll be in it and have the best part. It’s sweet, she’s his muse.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Nov 17, 2023 13:39:21 GMT
She’s a brilliant- and Olivier award winning actress- I don’t see any issue here.
It’s not like it’s the Jenny Seagrove situation
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Post by nash16 on Nov 17, 2023 14:06:43 GMT
It’s definitely veering that way though… She’s a brilliant- and Olivier award winning actress- I don’t see any issue here. It’s not like it’s the Jenny Seagrove situation
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Post by harry on Nov 17, 2023 15:59:05 GMT
She’s a brilliant- and Olivier award winning actress- I don’t see any issue here. It’s not like it’s the Jenny Seagrove situation I think the difference for me is he’s writing parts, lines, turns of phrase with her in mind so she’s quite likely to actually be the best person for the job. Plus in this instance she and the director had a very successful and award-winning partnership on their last play, so it seems totally plausible they’d want to collaborate again regardless of the fact she’s in a relationship with the writer. I loved The River (which I believe pre-dates the relationship, or more probably overlaps with the start!) and The Ferryman, so I’m excited to see this.
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Post by alessia on Nov 17, 2023 16:49:49 GMT
I am not familiar with any of the cast, I have seen the Ferryman but was so far away from the stage I might as well have been at home watching tv ahah. I hope it is revived so I can see it properly. Is this cast a bit underwhelming? I don't know.
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Post by Rory on Nov 17, 2023 17:38:49 GMT
I am not familiar with any of the cast, I have seen the Ferryman but was so far away from the stage I might as well have been at home watching tv ahah. I hope it is revived so I can see it properly. Is this cast a bit underwhelming? I don't know. No, I like the cast. Some very good actors in there. Leanne Best, Shaun Dooley, Bryan Dick.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 18:43:11 GMT
Excellent cast and I don't see a problem with Jez casting his partner who is an award winning actress in her own right in his plays. She would have been around when he is writing it and no doubt helping with read throughs how things sound.
Also some excellent leading female roles so that is always nice to see.
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Post by harry on Nov 17, 2023 19:47:59 GMT
Agree this is exciting casting for a couple of reasons.
First and foremost, lots of strong experienced stage actors just adding to the indication this will be a classy night.
Secondly I’m excited that Sonia Friedman considers Jez and Sam’s names bankable enough to hook in an advance audience without a “name” in the cast, and I guess it also follows that there is belief in the quality of the play to get reviews to sustain that long run to next summer.
But mostly just that list of good actors, and especially positive to have four really great female actors at the centre of it, none of whom has the public profile be offered the lead in a west end show which hasn’t originated elsewhere in other circumstances.
Now I have to lower my expectations to avoid the inevitable disappointment!
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Post by theatregoer22 on Nov 17, 2023 22:22:13 GMT
Big fan of Laura Donnelly's and the N7 seat I had for A Little Life was going for £30 during previews, so I've bought myself a ticket for the second night.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Nov 18, 2023 8:47:52 GMT
It’s definitely veering that way though… She’s a brilliant- and Olivier award winning actress- I don’t see any issue here. It’s not like it’s the Jenny Seagrove situation I mean that Laura is a brilliant actress.. Jenny S is.. passable.
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Post by Stephen on Nov 21, 2023 1:59:55 GMT
It keeps bugging me that Laura Donnelly has been cast in this.
Controversial one here but I think that both of his ‘hit’ plays are massively overrated, overhyped and overlong.
A friend and I recently had a conversation about the best filmmakers and one thing they have in common is writing and directing very ‘lean’ pictures. Butterworth is the antithesis of this.
I have no doubt that this will sell out but I also have no doubt that alongside the ‘we see all great theatre at £150 per ticket’ wealthy west end crowd will be a lot of people there to say they’ve seen the play or because of the hype (or both)
Most come out of his plays confused and pretend to understand what the hell was really going on having sat through hours of meandering, dreary, and often pointless dialogue.
That said, there have been some well directed moments, nice stage performances and design elements in his plays but for me that’s about it.
I understand this could all sound a bit on the bitter side but I’m just not enthused at all by another new Jez Butterworth play.
Just my one opinion though and it will remain in the unpopular minority!
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Post by wiggymess on Nov 21, 2023 7:13:23 GMT
It keeps bugging me that Laura Donnelly has been cast in this. Controversial one here but I think that both of his ‘hit’ plays are massively overrated, overhyped and overlong. A friend and I recently had a conversation about the best filmmakers and one thing they have in common is writing and directing very ‘lean’ pictures. Butterworth is the antithesis of this. I have no doubt that this will sell out but I also have no doubt that alongside the ‘we see all great theatre at £150 per ticket’ wealthy west end crowd will be a lot of people there to say they’ve seen the play or because of the hype (or both) Most come out of his plays confused and pretend to understand what the hell was really going on having sat through hours of meandering, dreary, and often pointless dialogue. That said, there have been some well directed moments, nice stage performances and design elements in his plays but for me that’s about it. I understand this could all sound a bit on the bitter side but I’m just not enthused at all by another new Jez Butterworth play. Just my one opinion though and it will remain in the unpopular minority! Why do people feel the need to assume that people who enjoy things they don't enjoy must be pretending to enjoy it? Of course there's hype around the play and that is a reason people want to go because some of us are excited about it. But in order to make your point you have to belittle people who enjoy his plays and claim "most" people come out confused and pretending to understand them. Nonsense and you've absolutely nothing to base that on. Having an opinion is fine- making silly statements like that is just daft. Just my opinion of course.
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Post by kate8 on Nov 21, 2023 7:35:59 GMT
It keeps bugging me that Laura Donnelly has been cast in this. Controversial one here but I think that both of his ‘hit’ plays are massively overrated, overhyped and overlong. A friend and I recently had a conversation about the best filmmakers and one thing they have in common is writing and directing very ‘lean’ pictures. Butterworth is the antithesis of this. I have no doubt that this will sell out but I also have no doubt that alongside the ‘we see all great theatre at £150 per ticket’ wealthy west end crowd will be a lot of people there to say they’ve seen the play or because of the hype (or both) Most come out of his plays confused and pretend to understand what the hell was really going on having sat through hours of meandering, dreary, and often pointless dialogue. For me the meandering is part of the attraction. I like good plays that leave me feeling a bit puzzled, and unsure about what the meaning was, or what the characters represented, so I’m going back to them in my head over months and years. Of course there are plenty of plays where that meandering is just poor or underdeveloped writing, but they are quickly forgettable. When it’s good it stays with me, e.g. I often see/read something that makes me think about Jerusalem and throws a different light on something about the play. Of course I like well-written leaner plays too, but I disagree with the idea that leanness or clarity are the measures of quality in theatre (or films, novels or any arts).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 11:56:12 GMT
Forking out serious money to see a play isn't like just going to the cinema. A lot of people book on reputation and even if they didn't enjoy it they wouldn't probably say so as not to show they wasted a night. But they also wouldn't rave about something they didn't rate to friends so the word of mouth hype would soon get quieter.
The critics might not go quite as hard if they fear a backlash but can still be quite stinging and say "not as good as previous efforts". If the play has sold out its run before opening then the reviews are negative this doesn't effect its financial success. The knock on could be a Broadway transfer but if it was a limited West End run announced and sold well would they get a Broadway transfer on this hype alone. The Broadway run gets good pre-sales before the West End one opens
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Post by Latecomer on Nov 21, 2023 12:12:05 GMT
I like his plays. I love a meandering play that gives time for character development. Laura Donnelly is a good actress. There’s plenty else out there if you don’t fancy it. Nothing beats theatre.
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Post by alessia on Nov 21, 2023 13:45:42 GMT
It keeps bugging me that Laura Donnelly has been cast in this. Controversial one here but I think that both of his ‘hit’ plays are massively overrated, overhyped and overlong. A friend and I recently had a conversation about the best filmmakers and one thing they have in common is writing and directing very ‘lean’ pictures. Butterworth is the antithesis of this. I have no doubt that this will sell out but I also have no doubt that alongside the ‘we see all great theatre at £150 per ticket’ wealthy west end crowd will be a lot of people there to say they’ve seen the play or because of the hype (or both) Most come out of his plays confused and pretend to understand what the hell was really going on having sat through hours of meandering, dreary, and often pointless dialogue. For me the meandering is part of the attraction. I like good plays that leave me feeling a bit puzzled, and unsure about what the meaning was, or what the characters represented, so I’m going back to them in my head over months and years. Of course there are plenty of plays where that meandering is just poor or underdeveloped writing, but they are quickly forgettable. When it’s good it stays with me, e.g. I often see/read something that makes me think about Jerusalem and throws a different light on something about the play. Of course I like well-written leaner plays too, but I disagree with the idea that leanness or clarity are the measures of quality in theatre (or films, novels or any arts). Exactly my feelings - I don't understand the connection between quality and brevity. I mean, I like short plays for the practicality but if something is short it doesn't mean it's good? That's true for movies too. I too often hear or see stuff that reminds me of Jerusalem (plus I am a loser and quote from it to people who have no idea what I'm on about ahahah). I love it. Went to see it three times and regret not going a fourth!
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Post by andbingowashisname on Nov 21, 2023 13:51:20 GMT
Most come out of his plays confused and pretend to understand what the hell was really going on having sat through hours of meandering, dreary, and often pointless dialogue. I wonder where you got this information from? I think I might have heard if Ipsos were conducting exit polls on Jez Butterworth plays. Maybe YouGov have an online poll active as I type this. Or maybe you just lazily plucked it from between your bum cheeks... For what it's worth, in this labyrinth of subjective opinions, I think "meandering" can often be used as a pejorative term - but when it comes to plays I think deliberately taking the audience on a journey that moves up and down and side to side in a satisfying manner is to be celebrated. Who wants to go in a straight line, and in record time? If you are going to get on the water and be told a story then Jez Butterworth at the tiller is about as good as it gets right now.
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Post by zahidf on Nov 21, 2023 15:41:29 GMT
His two major plays, Jerusalem and Ferryman, had rave critical notices and me and all my friends who went to see them thought they were excellent... Not sure its accurate to say audiences hate his stuff.
As to this play, the cast not being a big one makes me think it will be possible to get some form of day or lottery ticket for it
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