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Post by teamyali on Dec 19, 2021 11:14:26 GMT
One of the cast, Shaniqua Okwok (who plays Dora), posted on IG stories that Saturday’s performance (18 Dec) is now their last. Sadly some of the members of the cast and crew didn’t want to continue anymore. I feel very sorry for everyone. With even The Ocean announcing some dates cancellation due to COVID, now all the NT productions have cancelled and will resume after Christmas. Normally I support actors over this type of thing (eg all the Cinderella stuff) but my god, what a bratty thing to do. The videos she made rolling her eyes at her colleagues for daring to sing/have fun together/do vocal warmups - so childish, especially to film people seemingly without their knowledge. I doubt Manor being pulled is as simple as “the cast don’t wanna”; presumably the NT made the decision based on multiple factors in terms of sales and Covid. It’s expensive to keep a huge venue like the NT open for just one show and if ticket sales are low it probably makes financial sense to just shut the building. I watched her recent IG stories and she was just so PETTY…why…I wonder, if the morale is low among the Manor company? On Twitter, the ones who defend the play are the Shaun stans (I completely get this one). In days’ time, Manor will be in the NT’s Archives, and I’d love to read production reports about this. (And also, I hope they kept the first rehearsals reports way back in 2020…)
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Post by partytentdown on Dec 19, 2021 11:45:50 GMT
Surely it's not up to the cast when a show closes?
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Post by mkb on Dec 19, 2021 12:12:44 GMT
Surely it's not up to the cast when a show closes? It's still on sale for the coming week. If the closure last night is true, at least some Pongos will be saved.
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Post by teamyali on Dec 19, 2021 14:00:54 GMT
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Post by edi on Dec 19, 2021 17:02:59 GMT
it is still being sold... a bit confusing
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Post by sweets7 on Dec 19, 2021 19:16:16 GMT
One of the cast, Shaniqua Okwok (who plays Dora), posted on IG stories that Saturday’s performance (18 Dec) is now their last. Sadly some of the members of the cast and crew didn’t want to continue anymore. I feel very sorry for everyone. With even The Ocean announcing some dates cancellation due to COVID, now all the NT productions have cancelled and will resume after Christmas. I cancelled on this, not because of reviews, but because I chose to spend the day with a friend who has had some bad news. I doubt the cast threw a tantrum and said no more. However, they were probably asked as part of the decision making; and actually we have no idea what their circumstances are this Christmas. Some may have had elderly relatives to see, travel plans for Christmas. Whatever. I am in a no judge mood with people this Christmas. People are doing what they have to. And the fact is it may be better to close now before Christmas. Why take the risk
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Post by cavocado on Dec 20, 2021 9:41:30 GMT
The NT website is still selling tickets for tonight and up to 23rd. Maybe just the understudies have finished?
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Post by teamyali on Dec 20, 2021 11:04:51 GMT
The NT website is still selling tickets for tonight and up to 23rd. Maybe just the understudies have finished? I tried doing a trial booking and it directs that it’s cancelled. I wish the NT made an announcement asap instead of the cast just posting on social media. (Shaniqua, who announced that Saturday was their last, is part of the principal cast)
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Post by meister on Dec 20, 2021 12:42:21 GMT
Now all showing as cancelled
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Post by cavocado on Dec 20, 2021 13:19:28 GMT
The NT website is still selling tickets for tonight and up to 23rd. Maybe just the understudies have finished? I tried doing a trial booking and it directs that it’s cancelled. I wish the NT made an announcement asap instead of the cast just posting on social media. (Shaniqua, who announced that Saturday was their last, is part of the principal cast) Yes, it seems to have been handled badly by the NT media team, but also very unprofessional behaviour by the actor who posted on social media before an official announcement.
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Post by cherokee on Dec 20, 2021 15:47:54 GMT
The NT website is still selling tickets for tonight and up to 23rd. Maybe just the understudies have finished? I can't imagine any production choosing to dispense with its understudies whilst intending to continue running at this precise moment!
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Post by youngoffender on Dec 20, 2021 15:55:07 GMT
I suspect morale is so low at the NT that they can't face making a public annoucement about this, and will just be quietly letting the few remaining ticket-holders know.
So with no shows running until the new year, have they shut the whole building?
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Post by teamyali on Dec 20, 2021 16:33:59 GMT
I suspect morale is so low at the NT that they can't face making a public annoucement about this, and will just be quietly letting the few remaining ticket-holders know. So with no shows running until the new year, have they shut the whole building? They also announced that Hex’s NT Live is cancelled. Although they will still film it, perhaps they will dump it on NT at Home. I wonder…did the mixed reviews during the previews affect their decision? They’ll still pushing through with the other announced NT Live screenings. (Hoping cinemas won’t shut down) If they couldn’t get the rights to stream The Normal Heart (dang, Ryan Murphy!), they should release an audiobook version, similar to Angels in America. At least they can recoup costs. There’s the thread about the “Losing the NT habit” thing, perhaps it’s time to dissect everything that’s going wrong with the National now.
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Post by sweets7 on Dec 20, 2021 17:19:44 GMT
Its probably everything. I mean both those shows had really good actors who could be relied on...its obviously a writing issue missing the mark.
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Post by jek on Dec 20, 2021 17:26:55 GMT
I see they have announced that they are closing the whole building as of 8pm tonight until Jan 4th. Such a shame for people strolling along the south bank over Christmas who would normally pop in for a tea or a bookshop browse. And of course for the staff working there.
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Post by mkb on Dec 20, 2021 17:28:12 GMT
The explanation on the national website says "Owing to Covid disruption affecting our performers and staff, all remaining performances of Manor have been cancelled." So, not cast disinclination to perform then.
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Post by mkb on Dec 20, 2021 17:32:32 GMT
I see they have announced that they are closing the whole building as of 8pm tonight until Jan 4th. Such a shame for people strolling along the south bank over Christmas who would normally pop in for a tea or a bookshop browse. And of course for the staff working there. Any businesses thinking that a self-imposed "circuit breaker" is the right thing to do -- and I don't know if that is the motivation for shutting the whole building -- are engaged in a futile exercise, unless all their staff are going to self isolate over Xmas.
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Post by andrew on Dec 20, 2021 21:17:50 GMT
I see they have announced that they are closing the whole building as of 8pm tonight until Jan 4th. Such a shame for people strolling along the south bank over Christmas who would normally pop in for a tea or a bookshop browse. And of course for the staff working there. Any businesses thinking that a self-imposed "circuit breaker" is the right thing to do -- and I don't know if that is the motivation for shutting the whole building -- are engaged in a futile exercise, unless all their staff are going to self isolate over Xmas. I think the issue is that enormous swathes of staff are either infected or living with someone who is infected, and every day that goes by it catches more and more. It becomes perilous to keep the building open if large portions of the security, maintenance and front of house staff are unavailable and become even more unavailable in an unpredictable way, so it can make business sense to cancel any shifts for casual workers and close up shop completely. There's also a staff morale element in feeling like your employer is looking after you by not making you come in for an understaffed shift whilst you see all your colleagues getting infected in a publicly facing role. So it's not necessarily futile.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Dec 20, 2021 23:37:38 GMT
Yes, I agree with that. Keeping a huge building like the NT open is so expensive (heating, the sheer number of staff including cleaners, security, foh, and backstage staff) it’s not worth doing just for one poor selling show.
I’m sure the cast and crew are happy not to have to travel and spend every evening in a room full of people, to lessen their chance of contracting Covid and having to cancel Christmas plans.
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Post by jek on Dec 21, 2021 9:11:49 GMT
Completely understand the necessity of closing the building but I think it shouldn't be underestimated just how important that National Theatre front of house space is in making the theatre, more generally, accessible. I remember as a young working class woman from East London feeling very intimidated by even the idea of going to the theatre. The fact that the National had this building that you were just allowed to wander around somehow made it easier. I can still recall the excitement of going alone to see early David Hare productions and feeling it was an OK place to be. Even now in late middle age, PhD obtained some thirty years ago there are still plenty of cultural spaces that I find too scary to enter. Somewhere is a voice in my head saying that this place is for posh people and they might not let me in. I do genuinely think that there must be people who wander into the NT for a coffee and decide to give going to a performance a go, particularly if there is a name they know from the telly - in the case of Manor, Shaun Evans. As the mother of three university students I'm also very aware of the necessity of the sort of jobs in retail and hospitality that can make or break the affordability of degree study, and how the National offers these. Just more casualties of the pandemic I suppose and just utterly depressing.
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Post by cavocado on Dec 21, 2021 9:54:12 GMT
Completely understand the necessity of closing the building but I think it shouldn't be underestimated just how important that National Theatre front of house space is in making the theatre, more generally, accessible. I remember as a young working class woman from East London feeling very intimidated by even the idea of going to the theatre. The fact that the National had this building that you were just allowed to wander around somehow made it easier. I can still recall the excitement of going alone to see early David Hare productions and feeling it was an OK place to be. Even now in late middle age, PhD obtained some thirty years ago there are still plenty of cultural spaces that I find too scary to enter. Somewhere is a voice in my head saying that this place is for posh people and they might not let me in. I do genuinely think that there must be people who wander into the NT for a coffee and decide to give going to a performance a go, particularly if there is a name they know from the telly - in the case of Manor, Shaun Evans. As the mother of three university students I'm also very aware of the necessity of the sort of jobs in retail and hospitality that can make or break the affordability of degree study, and how the National offers these. Just more casualties of the pandemic I suppose and just utterly depressing. This is a great point. My mum and dad were regular theatregoers, both from working class backgrounds. They loved the NT and Barbican for exactly that reason - they felt far more comfortable in those big, anonymous, public foyers than in theatres with small bars and foyers where they felt like outsiders who didn't know the unwritten behaviour rules.
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Post by stevemar on Dec 21, 2021 13:17:31 GMT
Thanks MrCrumbles and mkb for your reviews. I agree that the set was great and the 0/1 star reviews were overly harsh (see my review on page 4).
One thing - did anyone actually hear the last line which was spoken by Nancy Carroll. It was drowned out by the special effect!
I do think it is poor to cancel the show with little notice online (and no official notice). When I looked last week, I would have said about half of the stalls seats were sold (or at least off sale), so not exactly empty. However, it is probably a reasonable business decision to close and shut up shop to save money.
Unfortunately, the NT has been closed longer than many theatres, and finally seemed to have got going again during Nov/Dec (busy foyers, bars, bookshop as well as the theatres). But the costs/risk must be too high in proportion to the projected revenues over the current period.
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Post by mkb on Dec 21, 2021 15:48:59 GMT
I can't remember exactly, but I think the final line was something to the effect of "It's each man for himself."
I was a little distracted by trying to stop my programme from getting wet!
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