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Post by geertm on Jul 28, 2021 17:19:59 GMT
www.bbc.com/news/uk-57999362Nice to know that from 2 August on I do not have to quarantine when traveling to London from the Netherlands. But the day 2 test is a problem for me. I am usually only staying in london for 3 or 4 days. I cannot take the risk of having to quarantine in the UK for 10 days because of a positive day 2 test (money, job). What do others from outside the UK thing about this? Are you willing to take that risk? It is also not clear to me how to prove that you are fully jabbed. I assume that the EU QR code can be used, but I have not seen that mentioned anywhere. I really would love to see Carousel, Hairspray and Anything goes. But the risk is just too great for me at the moment.
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Post by Mark on Jul 28, 2021 17:29:02 GMT
It’s a lifeline for the travel industry for sure!
Unfortunately going to disagree with you on the testing - if you are positive on day 2 then surely you’d want to know?
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Post by Jan on Jul 28, 2021 18:04:34 GMT
Seems an odd idea. Why not any fully jabbed person from anywhere ? Canada ?
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Post by christya on Jul 28, 2021 18:15:56 GMT
Probably working on reciprocal arrangements. I'd expect to see an announcement about UK people travelling to the US shortly, and most of Europe is already accepting UK travellers. Others will probably follow.
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Post by geertm on Jul 28, 2021 18:27:32 GMT
It’s a lifeline for the travel industry for sure! Unfortunately going to disagree with you on the testing - if you are positive on day 2 then surely you’d want to know? Of course I would want to know. But: 1. At my job they expect me to return when I said I would, not about 10 days late. 2. Quarantine would mean arranging and paying for somewhere to quarantine in London for 10 days. Can you even do that in a regular hotel? Not something I would be looking forward to as a solo traveler and expensive. Edit: At the moment when arriving in the Netherlands from the UK you have to quarantine for 10 days. Forgot about that fact in my previous message. This is because there is a negative travel advise for the UK in the Netherlands. So as long as that does not change a holiday to London is not possible for me anyway. |
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Post by Steffi on Jul 28, 2021 18:48:53 GMT
The day 2 test is a risk I’m willing to take. Also, you don’t have to take it on day 2 as far as I know. It can be taken anytime between arrival and day 2. So you could get tested at the airport before flying over and then get the day 2 test done straight after arriving in the UK. The risk of catching Covid between those 2 tests is very slim if you take the usual safety measures.
And if you can avoid crowds at home the days before flying out you minimise the risk even further.
So I’ll basically stay away from people the days before flying to London. Obviously that only works if you don’t have to be out and about for work and such.
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Post by sfsusan on Jul 28, 2021 19:54:10 GMT
Probably working on reciprocal arrangements. Canada started letting in vaccinated US travelers a week ago, but there's been no announcement of a reciprocal arrangement. |
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Post by ruby on Jul 28, 2021 20:48:05 GMT
I'm finding it a little frustrating. I've been double-vaccinated. My parents live in France and if I wanted to visit them I'd need to self-isolate for 10 days. Yet they, or anyone else double-vaccinated, could come here from France without self-isolating.
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Post by firefingers on Jul 28, 2021 21:05:33 GMT
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Post by ruby on Jul 28, 2021 21:08:14 GMT
Ah thanks, I didn't realise that from the BBC News article I read |
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Post by firefingers on Jul 28, 2021 21:25:14 GMT
Ah thanks, I didn't realise that from the BBC News article I read No worries, I only know because my flatmate has the exact same problem and, in the words of Blackadder, is "bloody annoyed." |
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Post by cat6 on Jul 29, 2021 20:02:43 GMT
www.bbc.com/news/uk-57999362Nice to know that from 2 August on I do not have to quarantine when traveling to London from the Netherlands. But the day 2 test is a problem for me. I am usually only staying in london for 3 or 4 days. I cannot take the risk of having to quarantine in the UK for 10 days because of a positive day 2 test (money, job). What do others from outside the UK thing about this? Are you willing to take that risk? It is also not clear to me how to prove that you are fully jabbed. I assume that the EU QR code can be used, but I have not seen that mentioned anywhere. I really would love to see Carousel, Hairspray and Anything goes. But the risk is just too great for me at the moment. I'm coming to London from the USA for a few days for a special event. I'm just taking it one step (test) at a time. I even have to take a test to show the airline on the USA end a negative PCR test. Then the day 2 test, and yes, another to take my flight home. It's just how it rolls. I am fully vaccinated; I wouldn't miss this event for the world.
For us in the USA, so far we only need to show our vax certificates as proof of vax. If you go to your airline's site, there is likely a section where there will be links that hopefully explain what you need. This is very new, so they still have to get their acts together!
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Post by sfsusan on Jul 30, 2021 16:08:19 GMT
I even have to take a test to show the airline on the USA end a negative PCR test. Technically, you're showing the airline the negative test in order for them to fly you to a country where it's required to enter. Just like you need to show your passport before boarding. The airlines are liable for massive fines (and other potential repercussions) if they transport someone to a country where they don't have proper documentation to enter. If you're only in the UK for a few days, could the Day 2 test double as your negative test within 3 days of your home-bound flight? It might have to be a specific type of test (not the self-administered rapid tests), but you might look into that. |
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Post by jess173 on Aug 2, 2021 4:02:14 GMT
Guys can you help me understand something here? I’ve just been checking out the new rules on the gov uk site and there’s the passage that has been discussed here already:
Then there are special rules for France and then there’s this:
I almost never stay for more than 10 days. So does this rule apply to me, even if I’m fully vaccinated in the EU?
This is basically a travel ban for short trips isn’t it? And what sense does it make? Wouldn’t it be easier to say you can’t travel to England for less than ten days at all? I mean who would come anyway to spend the whole time in quarantine and then go back home?
I was getting hopeful to go back soon with the new rules but now that bubble is close to bursting again… -.-
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Post by Mark on Aug 2, 2021 6:01:52 GMT
Seems to be a mistake, or it will only apply to those not double vaccinated
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Post by Steffi on Aug 2, 2021 6:48:29 GMT
This definitely sounds like a mistake or bad wording. If you are fully vaccinated you won’t need to quarantine no matter how long your trip to the UK is. You only need a Covid test pre departure and one on or before day 2 of your trip.
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Post by jess173 on Aug 2, 2021 8:07:49 GMT
Well I hope so. If you click on the “find out more” link you have to scroll almost to the bottom of the page to find it and it’s filed under “How to quarantine if you are not fully vaccinated”. So that would make sense. But on the main page it’s displayed far more dominantly and looks like it’s a rule for everyone, just like the special requirements for France…
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Post by Steffi on Aug 2, 2021 10:18:51 GMT
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Post by djp on Aug 9, 2021 2:43:43 GMT
Seems an odd idea. Why not any fully jabbed person from anywhere ? Canada ? Depends what you are jabbed with. Eu and US have approved same jabs we have. There's doubt as to if/how well some of the other jabs on offer like those from from Russia and China work. And neither has a reputation for producing true figures on anything much.
The bigger problem is that the jabs still let some people spread it with no obvious symptoms, some people won't quarantine with it , and the lateral tests are of limited accuracy though it goes higher if you take them multiple times. Basically this reduces the amount of infection coming in, but tolerates a rise in cases - because for some reason government rates unnecessary travel over minimalising numbers of cases.
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Post by jojo on Aug 9, 2021 9:05:51 GMT
Probably working on reciprocal arrangements. I'd expect to see an announcement about UK people travelling to the US shortly, and most of Europe is already accepting UK travellers. Others will probably follow. Yes, and it involves setting it up so that we can check that people been properly vaccinated, which doesn't just mean being comfortable with the selected vaccines, but being comfortable they can verify whatever certificate scheme is in place in each country. This is where it really would be helpful if Johnson could swallow his pride and let Brits join with the EU vaccination passport scheme. Not that it's just Johnson being awkward. We've got our own different vaccination certificate scheme in Scotland. Currently we have to apply for them to send us a paper copy in the post. I wasn't going to bother until they fix an electronic version, but I have a family wedding in England later this month, so I'm wondering if I should apply just in case it's needed. |
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Post by poster J on Aug 9, 2021 11:20:19 GMT
Basically this reduces the amount of infection coming in, but tolerates a rise in cases - because for some reason government rates unnecessary travel over minimalising numbers of cases. [/div][/quote] To a certain extent life has to go on though, and nearly all economies depend heavily on travel in varying forms. I am all for people taking precautionary measures, and that includes quarantining if infected, but if it weren't for the risk of having to quarantine abroad then I would be travelling as soon as I am 14 days post-second jab. If this virus has taught us anything it is that life is too short and I certainly don't intend to avoid doing what I love any longer than I need to. It has never been about minimising cases, it is and always has been about ensuring the level of cases is low enough that hospitals can cope. Any greater reduction in cases than that is a bonus. We are now at a stage where vaccination is keeping cases down at that level, so allowing people to travel in the current context if they are willing to take the quarantine risk does make sense. |
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