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Post by kathryn on Jan 1, 2021 19:39:46 GMT
The funny thing about that is Corden *is* camp by American film industry standards. He’s far more known for his musical theatre geekery than for laddy characters like Smithy.
I mean, all British actors read as slightly camp to Americans anyway - which is why you always see expressions of shock when they announce marriages and babies. It’s not hard to find people on social media who are convinced that Corden is secretly gay.
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Post by alece10 on Jan 1, 2021 19:51:42 GMT
Haven't people seen his Crosswalk Musicals? Completely camp.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 19:57:16 GMT
Having never seen Gavin and Stacey, i have never seen him as laddish, and i think he is kind of camp and i like that he doesnt try to pretend otherwise. Maybe thats why i wasn't so bothered by it. And playing a straight man, Andrew Rannells isnt exactely the butchest man around.
You dont have to have experienced being kicked out by your parents to be able to act it, and i thought he hit the emotional moments well. But i do agree that people hate on him because of his success,his size and because it semms trendy to do so.
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Post by robertb213 on Jan 1, 2021 19:57:31 GMT
Watching this now. I'm not blown away but it's enjoyable, and if nothing else it's lovely to see and hear a new musical 😁
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Post by danb on Jan 1, 2021 20:40:08 GMT
Lot’s of people dislike him because of how he has treated people within the industry in the past. He isn’t the jolly happy go lucky buffoon that he makes out, or that he’s painted as.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 1, 2021 21:16:08 GMT
That is completely unfounded and shouldn’t start unfounded rumours on social media, including that he is secretly gay too.
In a day of colour-blind casting/sex-blind casting/sexuality-blind casting. So what if it is the other way round for once.
As for James Corden we British love to elevate a person with working class credentials, I.e. not born with a silver spoon in their mouth, then when they make it, give them a good kicking. James is going through a tough time at the moment with this, also thinking people like David Beckham, Victoria Beckham Wayne Rooney and Gordon Ramsey etc.
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Post by danb on Jan 1, 2021 22:13:10 GMT
Unfortunately it isn’t unfounded. Two separate people I know have worked with him at different times in his career and commented on how changed he is etc. I tend not to say things without foundation or at least a source that I trust.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 2, 2021 10:30:49 GMT
It's not necessarily the fact that Barry is being played by a straight actor for me (although, granted, it seems to be for some people) but the fact he's being played by someone who we all know is not camp, not gay, and not familiar with any of the issues Barry has had to face. So any time he has to portray any of the meaningful beats in the movie, it comes across as fake and forced. Corden went to regular schools but attended acting, singing and dancing classes in the evenings. Even if he wasn’t gay he was still the fat kid doing singing and dancing. Maybe this was overlooked by the school bullies, I hope it was, but it seems doubtful that he wouldn’t have experienced some degree of marginalisation.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 2, 2021 12:05:41 GMT
He was the fat kid into singing and dancing who was a huge boyband fan - I can guarantee you he got picked on for being gay at school.
Bullies don’t actually care about accuracy. I had kids calling me a lesbian just because I had a small group of not particularly popular female friends. The fact that we spent all our time talking about the boys we fancied was irrelevant to them.
Of course there may well be people who are entirely justified in disliking Corden within the industry. Fame and fortune doesn’t generally do great things for your personality - particularly if you are carrying insecurities around.
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Post by danb on Jan 2, 2021 12:53:42 GMT
He was the fat kid into singing and dancing who was a huge boyband fan - I can guarantee you he got picked on for being gay at school. Bullies don’t actually care about accuracy. I had kids calling me a lesbian just because I had a small group of not particularly popular female friends. The fact that we spent all our time talking about the boys we fancied was irrelevant to them. Of course there may well be people who are entirely justified in disliking Corden within the industry. Fame and fortune doesn’t generally do great things for your personality - particularly if you are carrying insecurities around. Quite Kathryn. There may be any number of people who have only ever seen him being a stand up guy and will only have good things to say about him, rather than being arrogant, bullish and believing his own hype. We are all only human, and if people tell you that you’re wonderful for long enough it must be very hard not to believe it.
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Post by jojo on Jan 6, 2021 17:28:24 GMT
Lot’s of people dislike him because of how he has treated people within the industry in the past. He isn’t the jolly happy go lucky buffoon that he makes out, or that he’s painted as. I saw an interview with him a few years ago where he admitted that there was a phase in his life when he had become arrogant and become an arse, and not behaved as well as he'd have liked to have done. I couldn't say whether or not he's become that person again, or if it never left him, but I don't think he's currently claiming he's only ever been that jolly happy go lucky type. Of course there's a performance aspect to being a chat show host, and you don't become as successful as he is without being driven. I'm sure at least some of the stories about him are true, but I do question how much weight is given to them in relation to others in the business who conform more to expectations of what a star should look like and what their background should be.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jan 6, 2021 19:07:54 GMT
This comes down to how you can separate the actor from the work they create.
I don't care if Corden has been an arse in other areas of his life. I do care if he gives a credible performance.
In this production, I think he was miscast. He did a reasonable job but not a spectacular one.
He was very impressive in One Man, Two Guv'nors. And I enjoy his Boardwalk Musicals.
He has some talents. But this role was beyond him. As I said before, I would have swapped him with Rannells and ignored the size of the actor who created the role.
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Post by iamamazing on Jan 17, 2021 4:23:48 GMT
If there is a musical to come to London after a pandemic it’s this one i hope and pray it comes over. I’m obsessed with the soundtrack, would love for the musical version to o come over here.
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Post by musicalmarge on Jan 19, 2021 8:01:15 GMT
If there is a musical to come to London after a pandemic it’s this one i hope and pray it comes over. I’m obsessed with the soundtrack, would love for the musical version to o come over here. Best thing I ever saw on Broadway! Ever! And I’ve seen over 70 shows over 20 years.
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Post by n1david on Feb 3, 2021 15:52:57 GMT
Well it appears the Golden Globes jury liked JC's performance enough to nominate him for Best Actor in a Musical or Comedy...
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Post by poster J on Feb 3, 2021 16:14:39 GMT
Well it appears the Golden Globes jury liked JC's performance enough to nominate him for Best Actor in a Musical or Comedy... But not their darling Meryl even though the Comedy/Musical acting categories are so weak this year. Weird. I'd much rather have seen Jo Ellen Pellman and Ariana DeBose nominated. They got Hamilton wrong as well by giving its only acting nomination to the worst actor in the cast...! Daveed Diggs and Renee Elise Goldsberry should feel hard done by, and Leslie Odom Jr should have had two nominations.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Feb 3, 2021 18:34:06 GMT
Well it appears the Golden Globes jury liked JC's performance enough to nominate him for Best Actor in a Musical or Comedy... But not their darling Meryl even though the Comedy/Musical acting categories are so weak this year. Weird. I'd much rather have seen Jo Ellen Pellman and Ariana DeBose nominated. They got Hamilton wrong as well by giving its only acting nomination to the worst actor in the cast...! Daveed Diggs and Renee Elise Goldsberry should feel hard done by, and Leslie Odom Jr should have had two nominations. I need to bring myself up to speed with the noms; but Jane Levy from Zoey's Extraordinary Playlist (nominated for Best actress in a TV series - musical or comedy) looks so similar to Jo Ellen Pellman; I would have been amused if Jo was nominated too!
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Post by kathryn on Feb 3, 2021 21:18:56 GMT
The Globes are known for some funny nomination choices!
They’re voted for by just 96 journalists and I am sure they deliberately troll the other award shows sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 21:35:20 GMT
I'm baffled by people who say that Corden's performance was too OTT, but dont say a word about Streep.
I can understand that Corden's performance wasn't award worthy, but there's no way in hell that Streep's was. She practically spat out what was left of the scenery after devouring it. Dont get me wrong,i thought she was great, but award worthy??
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 3, 2021 22:09:45 GMT
I loathe J.C and I thought he was fantastic in this. He deserves every nomination he gets x
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Feb 3, 2021 22:39:15 GMT
Also. I May Destroy You. NO nominations. Sacrilege!!!!!! How can Emily in Paris be nominated instead? It was entertaining but IMDY is so important. Needs more recognition.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Feb 3, 2021 22:41:24 GMT
I loathe J.C and I thought he was fantastic in this. He deserves every nomination he gets x I don’t get why people hated on him. He actually made me cry! I saw the show in New York (with another member on TB - hope he sees this) it was good Barry having more of a backstory. If anything, I felt like Emma didn’t get much in the film adaptation in terms of narrative.
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 3, 2021 23:17:50 GMT
I loathe J.C and I thought he was fantastic in this. He deserves every nomination he gets x I don’t get why people hated on him. He actually made me cry! Honestly... It was only really American critics a lot of whom were probably self loathing 'masc' gays or overly woke Twitter nobodies who got annoyed by his campness. The irony is of course (and Americans don't get irony) is that in criticising 'camp' they are actually being homophobic...oh and misogynistic if we want to make out that camp = feminine which of course it doesn't. Most gay men are camp to some degree (especially Americans), in fact I've never met a gay man totally devoid of camp (myself included) so why we pretend it doesn't exist instead of celebrating it in all it's fabulousness is beyond me x
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 3, 2021 23:37:09 GMT
Also. I May Destroy You. NO nominations. Sacrilege!!!!!! How can Emily in Paris be nominated instead? It was entertaining but IMDY is so important. Needs more recognition. This stunned me as it was the best thing on television by far last year and got nothing. Emily was ok, but it was so light it almost glided off the television screen.
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Post by musicalmarge on Feb 9, 2021 1:33:16 GMT
I don’t get why people hated on him. He actually made me cry! Honestly... It was only really American critics a lot of whom were probably self loathing 'masc' gays or overly woke Twitter nobodies who got annoyed by his campness. The irony is of course (and Americans don't get irony) is that in criticising 'camp' they are actually being homophobic...oh and misogynistic if we want to make out that camp = feminine which of course it doesn't. Most gay men are camp to some degree (especially Americans), in fact I've never met a gay man totally devoid of camp (myself included) so why we pretend it doesn't exist instead of celebrating it in all it's fabulousness is beyond me x Most gay men are camp? Hahahahaa.... You have no idea. Maybe in your rainbow glitter circle Queen. Most my gay mates are either geeks, bikers, bears, punks, leather guys, serious businessmen, builders, politicians or muscle tattooed pigs and are NOT the stereotypical camp, limp wristed, show tune loving, West End Wendy’s that you suggest. But perhaps I’m older than you, Hm. Back to my nail file and Kylie now. #snap
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 9, 2021 14:40:42 GMT
Honestly... It was only really American critics a lot of whom were probably self loathing 'masc' gays or overly woke Twitter nobodies who got annoyed by his campness. The irony is of course (and Americans don't get irony) is that in criticising 'camp' they are actually being homophobic...oh and misogynistic if we want to make out that camp = feminine which of course it doesn't. Most gay men are camp to some degree (especially Americans), in fact I've never met a gay man totally devoid of camp (myself included) so why we pretend it doesn't exist instead of celebrating it in all it's fabulousness is beyond me x Most gay men are camp? Hahahahaa.... You have no idea. Maybe in your rainbow glitter circle Queen. Most my gay mates are either geeks, bikers, bears, punks, leather guys, serious businessmen, builders, politicians or muscle tattooed pigs and are NOT the stereotypical camp, limp wristed, show tune loving, West End Wendy’s that you suggest. But perhaps I’m older than you, Hm. Back to my nail file and Kylie now. #snap Your post is so startlingly ignorant I don't know where to even begin...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 23:25:44 GMT
Honestly... It was only really American critics a lot of whom were probably self loathing 'masc' gays or overly woke Twitter nobodies who got annoyed by his campness. The irony is of course (and Americans don't get irony) is that in criticising 'camp' they are actually being homophobic...oh and misogynistic if we want to make out that camp = feminine which of course it doesn't. Most gay men are camp to some degree (especially Americans), in fact I've never met a gay man totally devoid of camp (myself included) so why we pretend it doesn't exist instead of celebrating it in all it's fabulousness is beyond me x Most gay men are camp? Hahahahaa.... You have no idea. Maybe in your rainbow glitter circle Queen. Most my gay mates are either geeks, bikers, bears, punks, leather guys, serious businessmen, builders, politicians or muscle tattooed pigs and are NOT the stereotypical camp, limp wristed, show tune loving, West End Wendy’s that you suggest. But perhaps I’m older than you, Hm. Back to my nail file and Kylie now. #snap I assume this was an attempt at humour? (that failed miserably) It sounds like your 'gay mates' are just pictures from a typical 'gay sterotype' calender. Maybe 'The Cop' or 'The Sailor' will be Mr March or Mr April....
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