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Post by lynette on Jan 6, 2020 11:27:29 GMT
funny or not funny? I smiled and it reminded me of the old days, satire that didn’t care, as he kept saying. I kept wondering if Emma Thompson was there.
I'm sure the individuals he mentioned loved it, a mention before your peers, eh?
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Post by TallPaul on Jan 6, 2020 13:51:47 GMT
Although the films change, many of the attendees don't, so it's surely getting a bit tired?
I do now know that 1917 won two Globes, so something must have gone in, but most of the news reports this morning were about Gervais, rather than the actual award winners.
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Post by londonpostie on Jan 6, 2020 17:40:09 GMT
Did any big stars go to the Golden Globes before Gervais first hosted them? I'm sure I remember them as a low key warm up event that was barely reported.
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Post by vdcni on Jan 6, 2020 17:56:13 GMT
It's been pretty healthy in terms of attendance and ratings since the mid 90's. I think before Gervais though they didn't really have a host just the people presenting awards so you hear a lot more about the ceremony these days.
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Post by justfran on Jan 6, 2020 17:56:57 GMT
Personally I don’t find him funny at all, he comes across as rude and obnoxious. On the subject of the Golden Globes though it was nice to see Taron Egerton win for Rocketman.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 17:58:44 GMT
Not a big fan of his but the comments about them all being woke but would fall over themselves to be in an ISIS streaming service was brilliant. The hypocrisy of celebrity culture has gone on too long and hopefully peoples eyes are slowly being opened.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 20:32:00 GMT
Like any host, he had his moments of being funny and other jokes that fell like a lead balloon. Particularly awful was the one he attempted to make about female directors. I do commend him for saying something to DiCaprio's face about his inability to date a woman over the age of 25, as most journalists wouldn't dare to comment on it in interviews.
I don't really think that the concept of film awards is getting tired. There's always newcomers and breakout stars like Taron Egerton and Awkwafina being honoured at the same time as old hats like Quentin Tarantino and Brad Pitt. Ratings are obviously always going down, but I suspect that has far more to do with people being able to see the speeches and viral moments so quickly online, rather than because people are no longer interested.
I wasn't actually a big fan of his comments on hypocrisy, and these tweets from Mark Harris sum up why:
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Post by Jon on Jan 6, 2020 20:43:11 GMT
I find Ricky Gervais very hit and miss, The Office and Extras were great but I could never warm to Derek or his stand up. He does need someone like Stephen Merchant who can rein him in
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Post by justfran on Jan 6, 2020 22:07:45 GMT
Thanks for sharing those tweets @thestory - he makes a good point. Ricky Gervais is hardly on minimum wage so who is going to really listen to him calling other celebrities pampered?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 22:38:33 GMT
I agree, but I've never noticed him being especially preachy either (but I could be wrong on that). The amount of times I've seen stars post something meaningful or important encouraging us to change our ways or contribute something then immediately in next story/post...oh here is my next movie/book etc for sale or here I am pouting and half naked...please give me attention.
To me leaders (and that's what they are, or trying to be) should lead by example. not just post empty words on social media as a token.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 23:08:46 GMT
Promoting films, books etc. is part of their job. It's something that they're usually contractually obliged to do. I'm not sure how that (or what they're wearing) takes away from any important message that they may attempt to convey. These people are still actors and filmmakers, not politicians. Their job will always be their priority, but that doesn't mean that they don't have the right to speak out about other things, like we all do. Joaquin Phoenix has been a vegan since he was a child so I don't believe his praise for the Golden Globes going plant-based with their menu or his words on climate change don't come from a genuine place. Likewise with a pregnant Michelle Williams' words on a woman's right to choose when she has a child and with whom. Most of these actors will have numerous opportunities in their life to get on a stage, accept an award and give a speech. If now and again they use the opportunity to try to have a positive influence on those watching instead of just being self-congratulatory then I don't personally see a problem with that. It surely doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing where people must either dedicate their life to a cause or never say anything about it at all.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 7, 2020 7:29:37 GMT
I think a lot of people miss what Gervais is actually doing when he hosts these awards shows. He isn't being or playing 'himself', he is playing the obnoxious 'everyman' nobody loser who is at home sitting on the couch reacting and commenting on people he despises on the telly, because he knows he will never be one of them. That is what is so brilliant about it and what scares the assembled audience so much, because most of them really don't want to know what the 'everyman' thinks of them. They live in a totally different world where they don't have to care what anyone thinks of them.
He brilliantly creates a parallel between the somebodies and the nobodies and forces them to collide on live television.
Movies forums and comment sections around the globe the day after these awards are always filled with the obnoxious comments of nobodies, telling somebodies what they should and shouldn't be allowed to say and yet their dumbasses are allowed every single one of their brain dead opinions.
Of course these people should be able to say whatever the hell they want, they've more than earned the right to, that is why they are standing on that stage being awarded for the excellence they've displayed in their chosen professions. But half the time they are preaching it to an audience that either don't believe in their cause, don't care about it or it has absolutely no meaning in their lives and that is why doing it in such a places ends up being pretty pointless.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 7, 2020 7:32:34 GMT
Thanks for sharing those tweets @thestory - he makes a good point. Ricky Gervais is hardly on minimum wage so who is going to really listen to him calling other celebrities pampered?! He has acknowledged many times publicly that he is an overpaid nobody who does little work for maximum pay. He did again recently on Grahame Norton.
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Post by vdcni on Jan 7, 2020 8:22:44 GMT
He's telling a few pretty tame jokes to a politically middle ground, somewhat influential but not particularly powerful, rich audience for money it's not daring or innovative.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 7, 2020 20:30:14 GMT
intoanewlife is right - that is exactly the root of the Gervais joke. It’s just that a lot of people don’t find that funny. Though I do think some of his jabs get misinterpreted - that joke ‘about Felicity Huffman doing jail time’, was that really about Felicity Huffman? Or was it about the obscene way that prisons are used as sources of cheap labour produce luxury items that are sold for huge profits by massive corporations?
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Post by londonpostie on Jan 7, 2020 20:54:57 GMT
The character Gervaise plays at the Globes seems the antidote to the awkward, deferential culture entertainment people like Graham Norton validate. Whenever I see *Hollywood* on Youtube interview clips it seems terribly vacuous and reeeally dated. The ISIS streaming channel made me chuckle.
It seemed to me there was a sound track accompanying Gervaice - not a 'laughter track' but more like an 'appreciation track'. Audience-wise, the direction was very careful, I thought.
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Post by jojo on Jan 10, 2020 18:46:20 GMT
The character Gervaise plays at the Globes seems the antidote to the awkward, deferential culture entertainment people like Graham Norton validate. Whenever I see *Hollywood* on Youtube interview clips it seems terribly vacuous and reeeally dated. The ISIS streaming channel made me chuckle.
It seemed to me there was a sound track accompanying Gervaice - not a 'laughter track' but more like an 'appreciation track'. Audience-wise, the direction was very careful, I thought.
I wouldn't pick out Graham Norton as particularly deferential, especially compared with the American hosts. He rarely goes in hard, but he does seem to take the mickey more than most, and a lot of the sucking up seems to be knowingly (for the more savvy celebs) to be tongue in cheek. Plus was outspoken about people like Bono not paying their taxes properly.
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