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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 26, 2019 13:06:48 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 26, 2019 13:08:48 GMT
Good luck to them. I can’t imagine the stress of making this work under private ownership so if this means more secure funding and thereby bigger and better productions then that’s great news.
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Post by Phantom of London on Sept 27, 2019 9:03:31 GMT
Don’t know if this is good news, I guess iHope Mill is moving to a charitable status because they couldn’t make it work as a private initiative, which is sad as Stuart and Joseph were both principled and insisted on paying their talent, something I admired.
I wonder now, if they can get Art Council funding?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 27, 2019 12:07:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 17:51:44 GMT
I haven't had a look at the financials (can probably buy a copy at Companies House), but reading that article has me curious. They had a start-up loan, and have worked with Aria - Katy is an excellent businessperson and producer. They've had some hits and even transfers. So what I don't get is why they are in a financial position that means they are becoming a charity? Sure, theatre costs £££ to produce and run, but I don't quite see where the cashflow has been running. Like I said, just curious how they managed it from a business viewpoint. Business rates.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 28, 2019 6:49:40 GMT
I haven't had a look at the financials (can probably buy a copy at Companies House), but reading that article has me curious. They had a start-up loan, and have worked with Aria - Katy is an excellent businessperson and producer. They've had some hits and even transfers. So what I don't get is why they are in a financial position that means they are becoming a charity? Sure, theatre costs £££ to produce and run, but I don't quite see where the cashflow has been running. Like I said, just curious how they managed it from a business viewpoint. Business rates. In that part of town? It’s a redevelopment area (or was last time I checked) so I would have thought they’d be getting a break on that kind of thing for the time being at least.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 28, 2019 10:16:34 GMT
They’ve been seen looking to crowdfund a number of their productions, Jerry Springer used unpaid volunteers for the chorus,and despite having a very nice bar the theatre is not in a part of town that would attract passing trade to generate revenue from that. I can’t say I’m surprised to hear that the financials haven’t worked out under private ownership, that place was a derelict mill when they bought it and everything in the place has had to be bought. It was a good while before they even had the capability to tier the seating properly. It must have cost an absolute fortune.
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Post by Jon on Sept 28, 2019 12:14:41 GMT
That makes more sense. Bit depressing that Manchester Council wouldn't until now support really properly something that good, I feel. I imagine they couldn’t since it was a commercial enterprise.
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Post by NorthernAlien on Sept 30, 2019 22:34:21 GMT
I haven't had a look at the financials (can probably buy a copy at Companies House), but reading that article has me curious. The financials are available for free on Companies House - the need to pay to see them quietly disappeared at some point in the last few years. Now, with the caveat that accounts can be made to say anything you want - these seem to say that the theatre itself really hasn't made any money (a deeper rummage around suggests that the bar and pizza operation is a seperate company, and of course, the shows they make will be seperate limited companies as well). Indeed, if I've read the accounts correctly, Will and Joe have had to put money back into the theatre building company in the last year or so. What I do think all of this says is that they can't make the venue work commercially - which is a genuine shame for the Manchester theatre ecology. Because if they could make it work, they wouldn't be converting to a charity (and in fact the quotes from them in The Stage say that they've not been able to make it work - they need funding to do so, presumably the Arts Council have said 'no', and as they've discovered, in the current climate, a lot of funding comes from charities, who won't give to "for profit" organisations.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 1, 2019 5:37:32 GMT
I wonder if we’re going to see Denise Welch cast in something in 2020. Her patronage seemed to come a bit from left field.
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Post by stevej678 on Oct 1, 2019 8:19:07 GMT
2020 season announcement in two weeks apparently.
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Post by Jon on Oct 1, 2019 13:23:33 GMT
I wonder if we’re going to see Denise Welch cast in something in 2020. Her patronage seemed to come a bit from left field. You could say the same for Russell T Davies.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 1, 2019 13:36:59 GMT
I wonder if we’re going to see Denise Welch cast in something in 2020. Her patronage seemed to come a bit from left field. You could say the same for Russell T Davies. He’s had a longstanding relationship with Manchester with his writing though hasn’t he. The only thing Ive seen Densy Welch in was a production of Little Voice at the REX which must be a decade ago. ETA 2004!
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Post by NorthernAlien on Oct 1, 2019 15:31:23 GMT
Denise Welch lives in Cheshire - but in what is these days solidly considered the Commuter Belt for Manchester. I wouldn't be at all surprised if her patronage lead to her appearing on the stage at Hope Mill. If I was speculating, I'd say this was one of those where someone knew someone who knows her, and introductions have occurred because of that. She does a fair number of appearances for charitable projects in the area, so this is perhaps *slightly* less 'left-field' than it at first appears.
RTD has had an involvement with a theatre project run by one of the staff at Hope Mill for several years - I suspect that is where that contact has come from.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 1, 2020 12:07:17 GMT
Hope Mill are aiming to replace their seating by means of a crowdfunder. www.crowdfunder.co.uk/your-bum-deserves-betterIt will certainly be an improvement, the current chairs are those conference room jobbies. Hideously uncomfortable. Allocated seating for this year’s productions too.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 15, 2023 19:11:09 GMT
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Post by marob on Sept 15, 2023 19:30:00 GMT
They’re keen to point out they’re not in danger of closing but they’re struggling in the current climate. It sounds like they’re in a catch-22 situation where they’ve outgrown the venue but don’t have the funding to move to a larger space, so will be looking to stage things in other venues as co-productions moving forward. In the long-term they’re also aiming to stage a tour every year.
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Post by stevej678 on Sept 15, 2023 19:38:37 GMT
No more major in-house musical productions after the current season are likely to be staged at Hope Mill. They're looking to coproduce and stage musicals elsewhere at larger venues. One touring production per year is mentioned as an additional target. Overall, it sounds like their ambitions for future work have outgrown what's viable and sustainable for the current space. The existing venue will remain but the focus will be on its community programme, receiving productions, workshopping new shows and hosting events such as weddings.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 15, 2023 20:04:13 GMT
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